Re: [CGUYS] US broadband: could be worse

2009-09-14 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tony B  wrote:

> This might actually work for us too, since video files are still too
> large to transfer via the internet. I wonder how many 3.5" drives a
> pigeon could carry? Or, how many pigeons would we need to reliably
> transfer say, 1tb of data via flash drives. I imagine some would get
> lost/killed, so there would need to be redundancy.
>

It actually might be viable for 16 GB Micro SDHC memory cards. They are
light enough to tie to a pigeon.  One on each leg to keep them balanced.
That is 32GB per pigeon.
-- 
John Duncan Yoyo
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Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-14 Thread b_s-wilk

Energy is only as free as the technology to capture and distribute it.

The advantages in manufacturing are cancelled out by the costs. Are the 
corporations that want to use microgravity for production going to 
absorb all the risks? Or is this yet another example of socializing risk 
with federal investment in R&D and privatizing the profits? Uh oh. That 
gets us back to what's wrong with health insurance legislation.


Robots are as smart as the scientists who design them. Robots have done 
well for us so far. Patience with the slow rate of advances for human 
space travel will make travel safer and more productive in the long run. 
Research now--travel later.


I have a ticket for travel to Mars that I got years ago at Cape 
Canaveral. I'll send it to you if I can find it. Ready for a trip to 
Mars? Imagine riding a bicycle on Mars! [The ticket for a flight to the 
moon expired 10 years ago.]




Microgravity offers real advanages in alloy and semiconductor
maufacturing, also pharmaceuticals.  We now know how to construct
large structures in orbit and maintain a long term presence in space.

Energy is unlimited and free.  Four nations/national consortia can boost
cargo into orbit and to the station assuming JAXA's HTV is successful.

I see the potential as enormous.  But we have to be there to realize it.

The ISS is a good start.  If we look at it as a platform for the assembly
of space-only ships, and as a fuel transfer point, we could explore the
L4 and L5 Lagrangian points.  The moon is probably not a good idea
if we can't prove the presence of water.

Robots aren't smart enough to do it all, and if we look at this new
frontier as a government monopoly we are shortchanging ourselves. 



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Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-14 Thread db
Yeh ... let private industry develop this new manned space flight.  And 
why won't they just do that on their own if it is such a great deal?


Because these private corps and their stockholders want the rest of us 
... the taxpayers without bankruptcy protection who are just trying to 
hang on to our mortgages/ pay for medical care etc ... to pay all the 
setup costs so then they can't make a profit.


Such a deal!   Just like the ones military industrial complex and 
medical insurance industry rams down our throats.


Come back from outer space.  We've got to get back to basics in this 
country and postpone some of the things we want to do ... have been used 
to doing ... until we have our "house in order."


This country has itself mortgaged to the hilt ... is totally dependent 
on foreign competing nations for the security of it's economy and it 
still has an ANOTHER unseen "mortgage" of international trade being 
conducted in US dollars that is likely to come due if we don't get real 
and start living by our means.


It's to our advantage that trade is in dollars and increasingly with our 
economic slide to other nations disadvantage.
If we don't get our finances on solid footing again, the money making 
countries will be adopting a different currency of exchange and our 
system will take another HUGE dive once no one wants dollars anymore.


We in the US need to turn our attention from outer space to "inner 
space" for a while or suffer the consequences me thinks...

Go to Mars when we've got affairs on Earth on solid footing again...

db


This BS system of corps using us

b_s-wilk wrote:

Energy is only as free as the technology to capture and distribute it.

The advantages in manufacturing are cancelled out by the costs. Are 
the corporations that want to use microgravity for production going to 
absorb all the risks? Or is this yet another example of socializing 
risk with federal investment in R&D and privatizing the profits? Uh 
oh. That gets us back to what's wrong with health insurance legislation.


Robots are as smart as the scientists who design them. Robots have 
done well for us so far. Patience with the slow rate of advances for 
human space travel will make travel safer and more productive in the 
long run. Research now--travel later.


I have a ticket for travel to Mars that I got years ago at Cape 
Canaveral. I'll send it to you if I can find it. Ready for a trip to 
Mars? Imagine riding a bicycle on Mars! [The ticket for a flight to 
the moon expired 10 years ago.]




Microgravity offers real advanages in alloy and semiconductor
maufacturing, also pharmaceuticals.  We now know how to construct
large structures in orbit and maintain a long term presence in space.

Energy is unlimited and free.  Four nations/national consortia can boost
cargo into orbit and to the station assuming JAXA's HTV is successful.

I see the potential as enormous.  But we have to be there to realize it.

The ISS is a good start.  If we look at it as a platform for the 
assembly

of space-only ships, and as a fuel transfer point, we could explore the
L4 and L5 Lagrangian points.  The moon is probably not a good idea
if we can't prove the presence of water.

Robots aren't smart enough to do it all, and if we look at this new
frontier as a government monopoly we are shortchanging ourselves. 



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Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-14 Thread Eric S. Sande

Ready for a trip to Mars? Imagine riding a bicycle on Mars!


Uh, I've ridden on the Champs de Mars, does that count?  Oh,
yeah, I'll take the ticket :-).


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