Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
Perhaps this does need to be explained to you, though I doubt it. Apple's profit was not from computers; those sales actually fell. Translation: Not good news for you. MS's losses are indicative of the economy right now; very few companies reported profits. Translation: Not good news for you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
>Perhaps this does need to be explained to you, though I doubt it. >Apple's profit was not from computers; those sales actually fell. >Translation: Not good news for you. The iPhone & iTouch are not computers? They run OS X. With all the current discussion of netbooks I'm surprised that you don't recognize the ultimate net book. Or is being crappy a prerequisite for being a net book? >MS's losses are indicative of the economy right now; very few >companies reported profits. Translation: Not good news for you. Very few, like big gains at Apple? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
> The iPhone & iTouch are not computers? They run OS X. With all the > current discussion of netbooks I'm surprised that you don't recognize > the > ultimate net book. Or is being crappy a prerequisite for being a net > book? No, but a keyboard sure is. And a screen big enough to read a word processing document or a spreadsheet. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
>No, but a keyboard sure is. Has one. >And a screen big enough to read a word processing document or a spreadsheet. Has that too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
> >No, but a keyboard sure is. > > Has one. > > >And a screen big enough to read a word processing document or a > spreadsheet. > > Has that too. I see you've taken a return trip to LoopyLand, the magical world where the Mac Mini is an excellent choice for taking to class or on an aircraft. Lest ye forget, two of the reasons why the Apple god said that netbooks should hardly be considered personal computers were the "cramped keyboards" and the "very small screens." What does that make the iThings with their screens about a third the size of a base netbook and their tiny, touch keyboard simulations? iTouch/iPhone are fine machines, Tom, but they are emphatically NOT netbooks. Until you can show me someone typing a document at full speed into OpenOffice or an equivalent, I ain't buying that line for a second. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
>iTouch/iPhone are fine machines, Tom, but they are emphatically NOT >netbooks. Until you can show me someone typing a document at full speed into >OpenOffice or an equivalent, I ain't buying that line for a second. My point is that a net book's keyboard is too small for serious typing. It is just barely better than the iPhone/iTouch's version. Not better enough. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
> My point is that a net book's keyboard is too small for serious typing. > It is just barely better than the iPhone/iTouch's version. Not better > enough. You have a lot of real-life experience typing on netbooks? Or watching people who do? My son can type just as fast on his netbook as he can on a desktop, and it didn't take him more than a couple of hours to get to that point. I can type almost as fast on it as on my real keyboard, and I haven't used it much at all. To say that a reduced-size version of a real keyboard is "barely better" than a tiny touchscreen simulation of a keyboard is fantasy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
>To say that a reduced-size version of a real keyboard is "barely better" >than a tiny touchscreen simulation of a keyboard is fantasy. I'll wait for Apple to do it right. http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/braintweet.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
> >To say that a reduced-size version of a real keyboard > >is "barely better" than a tiny touchscreen simulation > >of a keyboard is fantasy. > > I'll wait for Apple to do it right. I'm shocked. Of course, in the meantime the rest of us are getting our work done with our crappy keyboard-based non-Borgified netbooks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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>I'm shocked. I thought it was in keeping with the pie in the sky we've been getting from you WFBs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
>iTouch/iPhone are fine machines, Tom, but they are emphatically NOT >netbooks. Until you can show me someone typing a document at full speed into >OpenOffice or an equivalent, I ain't buying that line for a second. My point is that a net book's keyboard is too small for serious typing. It is just barely better than the iPhone/iTouch's version. Not better enough. The same people who complained that the iBooks were too small [and don't forget the eMate they hated] are lining up to buy the so-called netbooks that are an inch or two smaller, but with much worse specs. I suspect that most people who buy the netbooks get them because they're cheap, not because of their ultimate utility. I was sorely tempted to buy the eeePC on w00t last week when it was $149.99 [plus $5 shipping], but then realized that the mobile phone that I want does as much or more, has more memory, does video and still photos, can print via bluetooth, and can make WiFi/VOIP phone calls. You can use a bluetooth [rollup or other] keyboard with some. Worst thing about netbooks is that they don't fit in my [cargo] pocket or small shoulder bag or fanny pack. What's the point other than cheap? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
>The same people who complained that the iBooks were too small [and don't >forget the eMate they hated] are lining up to buy the so-called netbooks >that are an inch or two smaller, but with much worse specs. I suspect >that most people who buy the netbooks get them because they're cheap, >not because of their ultimate utility. If one is ideologically inclined to not get an iTouch then I guess the next best alternative is a net book. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
Another difference between mac users and seemingly others...or maybe it's just Tom. For most users it's not about ideaology, it's about what works. For some, like me, I love my ipod touch and have little to no use for a netbook. Others may have exactly what they want/need in that form factor. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >The same people who complained that the iBooks were too small [and don't > >forget the eMate they hated] are lining up to buy the so-called netbooks > >that are an inch or two smaller, but with much worse specs. I suspect > >that most people who buy the netbooks get them because they're cheap, > >not because of their ultimate utility. > > If one is ideologically inclined to not get an iTouch then I guess the > next best alternative is a net book. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
> Another difference between mac users and seemingly others...or maybe > it's > just Tom. For most users it's not about ideaology, it's about what > works. > For some, like me, I love my ipod touch and have little to no use for a > netbook. Others may have exactly what they want/need in that form > factor. I just got back from a small conference of industry CIOs and IT Directors and many were using their personal Macbooks at the conference. These same people were also using Blackberries exclusively and made fun of iPhones at dinner when the subject came up. (One said that he was going back to a Windows laptop as his Macbook didn't do several things we wants it to do. He didn't elaborate, but he's also a very picky and detail-oriented guy.) These people also manage networks of PCs and have no problem with that. It was a zealot-free zone. That makes them pleasant to be around. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
mike wrote: For most users it's not about ideaology, it's about what works. You are describing Tom and Mac users in general * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
I await Tom's posting of Apple losing the lawsuit regarding patent infringement. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Jordan wrote: > mike wrote: > >> For most users it's not about ideaology, it's about what works. >> >> >> > You are describing Tom and Mac users in general > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
This is one of the reasons I don't really get this netbook thing. I wouldn't want one. Of course I don't want an over priced phone either. I see the iphone as nothing more then an over priced toy. I love my Macs, but why would I buy one of those $600 things that you still need a monitor and keyboard and mouse for when I can buy a $235 external firewire hard drive and plug it into my iMac? It's basically the same thing. I no longer own any stand alone monitors. Oh wait, I take that back. I still have one with my PC that hasn't been used in years. Anyway, I agree. Most Mac users go with what works. And what works most often without having to restart. But this is an old argument and I've lost my desire to get involved. Jeff M On Apr 26, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Jordan wrote: mike wrote: For most users it's not about ideaology, it's about what works. You are describing Tom and Mac users in general * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
>Yes, but the middle ground appears to be named cheap. Consider the >number of people with high levels of debt and then the shrinking number >of jobs; personal computer buying appears to be at least 75% el-cheapo. And in the news... Microsoft profits sink 32 percent. Apple profits rise 15 percent. Apple earnings are now 40% of Microsoft's as the gap narrows further. Care to explain away reality? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
Yup they make more profit as they are a direct to market seller, and make profit on both the hardware and software. MS make profit only on software and only on PC's sold. Apple of course is more diversified so it make profit from more sectors. Good for them of course. Stewart At 11:30 AM 4/24/2009, you wrote: And in the news... Microsoft profits sink 32 percent. Apple profits rise 15 percent. Apple earnings are now 40% of Microsoft's as the gap narrows further. Care to explain away reality? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
>Apple of course is more diversified so it make profit from more sectors. AAPL more diversified? Did MSFT close down a large part of the company while I was not looking? This claim makes no sense at all. Someone who believes it will believe anything. Or is this just another example of WFBs spouting random nonesense to try scoring a point for their beloved under achiever. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >Apple of course is more diversified so it make profit from more sectors. > > AAPL more diversified? Did MSFT close down a large part of the company > while I was not looking? This claim makes no sense at all. Someone who > believes it will believe anything. > > Or is this just another example of WFBs spouting random nonesense to try > scoring a point for their beloved under achiever. > > OK after software they make the X-Box 360 which I think is still a money pit, their mice are good, key boards seemed ok, Zune hasn't set the world alight and they are out of the set top box market. What non- software does that leave? -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
>OK after software they make the X-Box 360 which I think is still a money >pit, their mice are good, key boards seemed ok, Zune hasn't set the world >alight and they are out of the set top box market. What non- software does >that leave? So the new line from our WFBs is that MS really does not sell anything. They are just a bunch of grandmas in Redmond who spend most of their time knitting. You will say absolutely anything as you pretend to debate, but you just toss out random untruths to see if anyone on the list is dumb enough to believe. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >OK after software they make the X-Box 360 which I think is still a money > >pit, their mice are good, key boards seemed ok, Zune hasn't set the world > >alight and they are out of the set top box market. What non- software does > >that leave? > > So the new line from our WFBs is that MS really does not sell anything. > They are just a bunch of grandmas in Redmond who spend most of their time > knitting. > There are a suspiciously large number of sales on Etsy.com from Redmond. > You will say absolutely anything as you pretend to debate, but you just > toss out random untruths to see if anyone on the list is dumb enough to > believe. > Tom are you calling me a WFB? That is ridiculous if not Libelous. I tolerate Windows at best. I do like the ribbon bar better than you but that was about it. My question still stands if they are diversified out of software what the heck are they selling on the side? -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
>My question still stands if they are diversified out of software what the >heck are they selling on the side? They are very diversified within software/media. They bought Great Plains for their accounting software division. They have the MSNBC TV network. They own an internet portal with a search engine. Microsoft Studios develops media content. They sell software for PDAs and cell phones and set-top boxes. I think they still own 5% of Apple. The list goes on and on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats [Was: No netbook for you!
El-cheapo is the reason M$ has any market-share. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- >Yes, but the middle ground appears to be named cheap. Consider the >number of people with high levels of debt and then the shrinking number >of jobs; personal computer buying appears to be at least 75% el-cheapo. And in the news... Microsoft profits sink 32 percent. Apple profits rise 15 percent. Apple earnings are now 40% of Microsoft's as the gap narrows further. Care to explain away reality? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
