Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[mike]

I'll take your silence as agreement that my post was entirely accurate.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM, mike  wrote:

> So now you are saying Apple has BR support?  Explain which part of my post
> was inaccurate.
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[mike]

So now you are saying Apple has BR support?  Explain which part of my post
was inaccurate.

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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Tom Piwowar]

>Prepare for FUD..

Thanks for the warning. You should put it at the top of more of your 
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[mike]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

Prepare for FUD..


Apple has been advocating against DRM for many years. Often that DRM is
> put there as the only way to get content owners to participate. In
> contrast MS has been pushing DRM for years and even made fundamental
> changes to Vista to keep computer owners locked out of their own
> computers. They have been a bit of a quisling, taking money from
> customers for their software and then delivering us up to the RIAA.
>
> Apple like any company pushes for DRM where it suits them.  the RIAA and
MPAA force the same standards on MS as on Apple.  The reason you heard about
vista and DRM is because MS wants the hardware windows runs on to be
compliant to the MPAA standards so that their customers can play back 1080p
on their televisions.  The DRM built in between blu-ray and the motherboard
to the video card and out HDMI to the monitor is not MS's doing.  So the
statement 'DRM is put there as the only way to get content owners to
participate' applies in this case to MS...but again Tom puts a sinister bent
on the MS side, and happy angel feet for Apple.  Call me when Apple finally
gets BR support on their hardware...rumors say 2010.


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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Tom Piwowar]

>Im confused, the stereotype is for MS to spread FUD.  I always considered 
>Tom to be a Apple Advocate.

Nope, when Apple screws up I spear them just the same. It only looks like 
I favor Apple because they screw up less often, but that is not my fault.


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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Tom Piwowar]

>I prefer open formats and specifications but I am a realist. 
>Even Apple has done things that make me scratch my head, e.g. making it 
>"harder" to download/save a movie trailer.

Apple has been advocating against DRM for many years. Often that DRM is 
put there as the only way to get content owners to participate. In 
contrast MS has been pushing DRM for years and even made fundamental 
changes to Vista to keep computer owners locked out of their own 
computers. They have been a bit of a quisling, taking money from 
customers for their software and then delivering us up to the RIAA.

>I was not trying to be critical of you, just replying factually that MS 
>released the protocol information which you should be applauding (in my 
>opinion).

That was very useful information that I had missed. I'm very supportive 
of MS changing their ways. Unfortunately they seem to have made the 
information public as they were also announcing that they were abandoning 
the format.

>My attempt to check "the facts" reflects well on me or at least I hope so.

Very much appreciated. Facts are especially appreciated when they are 
true.


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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[mike]

I suppose these things are for you to figure out.   Being a linux user what
MS spreads is probably of little consequence to you, as for Tom, you'll get
to know him over time.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Paul Cannon wrote:

> Im confused, the stereotype is for MS to spread FUD.  I always considered
> Tom to be a Apple Advocate.
>
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> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:47:32AM -0700, mike wrote:
> > Careful of Tom's knees, they are at it again.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
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> > > >I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or,
> > > YouTube.
> > > >It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video
> and,
> > > >the video is 30mins. long.
> > >
> > > I hope you are not asking how to avoid Microsoft's DRM. Answering that
> > > would be criminal.
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Paul Cannon]

Im confused, the stereotype is for MS to spread FUD.  I always considered Tom 
to be a Apple Advocate.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:47:32AM -0700, mike wrote:
> Careful of Tom's knees, they are at it again.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
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> > >I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or,
> > YouTube.
> > >It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video and,
> > >the video is 30mins. long.
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> > I hope you are not asking how to avoid Microsoft's DRM. Answering that
> > would be criminal.
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Paul Cannon]

I admit I have little to no experience with Apple products.  
The one home computer that I have Vista pre-installed on works well and I have 
no complaints.
I was lazy and bought that HP system, well I lied I do have one complaint the 
amount of trialware and other pre-installed s/w took me a 
significant amount of time to remove.

I primarily use Fedora at home and RHEL at work; so I consider myself in the 
camp "whatever tool works".

I prefer open formats and specifications but I am a realist. 
Even Apple has done things that make me scratch my head, e.g. making it 
"harder" to download/save a movie trailer.

 
I found the last few weeks of computerguys discussion, the whole 
netbook/macbook/laptop discussion was amusing to me since I doubt I would ever 
own such a device out of fear of dropping it.  Perhaps this fear is misplaced...

I was not trying to be critical of you, just replying factually that MS 
released the protocol information which you should be applauding (in my 
opinion).
My attempt to check "the facts" reflects well on me or at least I hope so.
As a Linux user, I probably break a few laws daily at home - playing purchased 
DVD's or playing mp3's ripped from 20 yr. old cd's.  
I am willing to take that risk.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:43:08PM -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >Um Tom, I understand that you are Mac Advocate.
> 
> Hardly. I'm consistently a good product advocate. Our Microsoft minders 
> want to change the subject and attack the messenger.
> 
> I would be no less critical of attempts to break Apple's DRM, though 
> Apple seems to be phasing it out -- even removing activation checks from 
> iWork.
> 
> >Please see 
> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc251059.aspx
> >They have released the protocol.
> 
> I'm glad to know that has changed. 
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> For you to be critical of me for tyring to keep things legal does not 
> reflect well on you.
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Tom Piwowar]

>Um Tom, I understand that you are Mac Advocate.

Hardly. I'm consistently a good product advocate. Our Microsoft minders 
want to change the subject and attack the messenger.

I would be no less critical of attempts to break Apple's DRM, though 
Apple seems to be phasing it out -- even removing activation checks from 
iWork.

>Please see 
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc251059.aspx
>They have released the protocol.

I'm glad to know that has changed. 

For you to be critical of me for tyring to keep things legal does not 
reflect well on you.


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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[mike]

Careful of Tom's knees, they are at it again.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or,
> YouTube.
> >It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video and,
> >the video is 30mins. long.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Paul Cannon]

Um Tom, I understand that you are Mac Advocate.

Please see 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc251059.aspx

They have released the protocol.

Please read 
http://sdp.ppona.com/
So what is MMS all about?
MMS or ' Microsoft Media Server ' protocol is Microsoft's proprietary network 
streaming protocol. Microsoft never released a specification to describe how 
MMS actually works (until 2008), yet it is extensively used by their Microsoft 
media player software. MMS protocol can be used on top of TCP and UDP transport 
protocols over any network medium. Its primary use is to stream live or 
prerecorded audio and video content to your computer without any need to 
download a file before playing. Microsoft has now stopped using MMS in its 
newer software like Streaming server 2008 and Media player v11."


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:59:21AM -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or, YouTube.
> >It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video and, 
> >the video is 30mins. long.
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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Tom Piwowar]

>I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or, YouTube.
>It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video and, 
>the video is 30mins. long.

I hope you are not asking how to avoid Microsoft's DRM. Answering that 
would be criminal.


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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[b_s-wilk]

I'm looking at the video in SeaMonkey on my Mac, using Flip4Mac. For 
this kind of video, I simply let it play through, then save the page, 
saving the video, since it's the only thing on the page. This is much 
easier than saving flash videos.


You could also right-click on the originating link and select Save or 
Save Link Target As... Try doing this from webmail if you don't have the 
originating page URL. It will work, and it's easy. Don't make an easy 
task difficult by assuming that it will be hard to do.


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Paul Cannon]

Well there are google links that show you how to do it with VLC.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic316907.html

I googled this but I have never used it 
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/web_video_capture.html
So I have no idea if the product works.

I was able to capture the stream in linux using 
http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/mimms/

The url you posted points to a .asf file
which then points to 
"http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/tbn/behindthescenes/2009_1_26_300k.wvx";

the url 
in the file 
"mms://sos1557-1-wm.edgestreams.net/behindthescenes/.uid.McMCAQBH1t2ysQ2ptAa134f114d2cc1447dbd59b646a4dabee.2009_1_26_300k.wmv?auth=caEanbUbZdYaebLamb.b7aEaObycEbnb9dK-bj5hUU-eS-EDGokyrwtzHxqswo&aifp=0001"

in my case contains some sort of login which will allow you to stream it for a 
certain amount of time.
I was then able to use mimms to capture the stream - it seems to be around 68 
Mb or so.

Good luck!


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 06:10:55AM -0400, Christopher Range wrote:
> I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or, YouTube.
>
> Is there a freeware version that will allow me to do that?
>
> The video is at this link:  
> http://tbn.org/watch/files/index.php?file=2009_1_26_300k.wmv&show=92  
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> It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video and,  
> the video is 30mins. long.
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[CGUYS] Capturing a video

[Christopher Range]

I am trying to capture a video that, is not on MySpace, Google or, YouTube.

Is there a freeware version that will allow me to do that?

The video is at this link: 
http://tbn.org/watch/files/index.php?file=2009_1_26_300k.wmv&show=92 



It will automatically start Windows Media Player to view the video and, 
the video is 30mins. long.


RSVP ASAP

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