[CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
There are very strong hints that a new iPhone will be released before the end of the year that will be Verizon compatible. Some reports are saying this will be in addition to ATT as a provider veruss a replacement. Some of this speculation comes from this WSJ article: MARCH 30, 2010 New iPhone Could End ATT's U.S. Monopoly By YUKARI IWATANI KANE, TING-I TSAI And NIRAJ SHETH Apple Inc. plans to begin producing this year a new iPhone that could allow U.S. phone carriers other than ATT Inc. to sell the iconic gadget, said people briefed by the company. The new iPhone would work on a type of wireless network called CDMA, these people said. CDMA is used by Verizon Wireless, ATT's main competitor, as well as Sprint Nextel Corp. and a handful of cellular operators in countries including South Korea and Japan. The vast majority of carriers world-wide, including ATT, use another technology called GSM. With Apple developing a phone with CDMA capability, its exclusive U.S. arrangement with ATT dating to 2007 appears set to end. Verizon Wireless, owned by Verizon Communications Inc. and Vodafone Group PLC, declined to comment. An ATT spokesman said: There has been lots of incorrect speculation on CDMA iPhones for a long time. We haven't seen one yet and only Apple knows when that might occur. Apple declined to comment. Separately, Apple plans to release a new version of its current iPhone this summer, continuing its practice of annual upgrades at about the same time of year, said people briefed on the matter. The model is likely to be thinner and have a faster processor, two people familiar with the device said. For ATT, the Apple relationship has been crucial, helping to make the carrier the U.S. leader in lucrative smart-phone market share. According to comScore Inc., ATT has over 43% of all U.S. smart-phone customers, compared with 23% for Verizon. These customers are especially attractive because they generally pay higher monthly rates for data plans. For several quarters, ATT's growth has come almost single-handedly from the iPhone. In the fourth quarter of 2009, the carrier said it activated 3.1 million new iPhones. In comparison, it counted only a net total of 2.7 million new subscribers as some customers moved from other phones to iPhones. You're not going to lose the iPhone [exclusivity] and make up growth somewhere else without bearing the cost, said Sanford C. Bernstein Co. research analyst Craig Moffett. The people briefed on the matter said the upgraded GSM iPhone is being made by Taiwanese contract manufacturer Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., which produced Apple's previous iPhones. The CDMA iPhone model is being made by Pegatron Technology Corp., the contract manufacturing subsidiary of Taiwan's ASUSTeK Computer Inc., said these people. One person familiar with the situation said Pegatron is scheduled to start mass producing CDMA iPhones in September. Other people said, however, that the schedule could change and the phone may not be available to consumers immediately after production begins. Representatives of Pegatron and Hon Hai declined to comment. Verizon has publicly stated its interest in the iPhone, but people familiar with the situation said Apple originally decided against developing a phone for Verizon to keep its development process simple, since the technologies are incompatible. Verizon also is upgrading its network to a higher-speed technology, so Apple has said it believed CDMA was a short-term technology. Apple later changed its mind as it realized Verizon's upgrade would take longer than expected, said people familiar with the situation. Making the iPhone available through Verizon, which has over 91 million customers, as well as potentially other CDMA carriers could open up a significant new market. In 2009, iPhone sales globally rose 83% to 25.1 million, far outpacing the 20% to 25% growth in smart phones sales overall, according to Bernstein. But since Apple already dominates smart-phone sales through existing partners, sooner rather than later, Apple is going to have to look to find incremental distribution, said Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi. He estimates Verizon could help Apple nearly double the number of iPhone users in the U.S. ATT's relationship with Apple, a lucrative deal arranged by Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs, shows how such a partnership with other carriers could present challenges. Analysts estimate ATT pays Apple more than $600 per phone, but sells most of them for $199 or less. Heavy iPhone users have also put an enormous load on ATT's wireless network, pushing the carrier to a breaking point in some markets such as New York and San Francisco. Qualcomm Inc., which holds patent rights to CDMA, is the dominant designer of CDMA chips. Write to Yukari Iwatani Kane at yukari.iwat...@wsj.com and Niraj Sheth at niraj.sh...@wsj.com OK you have my curiosity piqued. Which Android phone do you have? It is time for me tog et a new phone and I
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I read this, but again it is a faint rumor. NO one has verified it, and these have been going for a bout a year. Stewart At 06:07 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: There are very strong hints that a new iPhone will be released before the end of the year that will be Verizon compatible. Some reports are saying this will be in addition to ATT as a provider veruss a replacement. Some of this speculation comes from this WSJ article: MARCH 30, 2010 New iPhone Could End ATT's U.S. Monopoly By YUKARI IWATANI KANE, TING-I TSAI And NIRAJ SHETH Apple Inc. plans to begin producing this year a new iPhone that could allow U.S. phone carriers other than ATT Inc. to sell the iconic gadget, said people briefed by the company. The new iPhone would work on a type of wireless network called CDMA, these people said. CDMA is used by Verizon Wireless, ATT's main competitor, as well as Sprint Nextel Corp. and a handful of cellular operators in countries including South Korea and Japan. The vast majority of carriers world-wide, including ATT, use another technology called GSM. With Apple developing a phone with CDMA capability, its exclusive U.S. arrangement with ATT dating to 2007 appears set to end. Verizon Wireless, owned by Verizon Communications Inc. and Vodafone Group PLC, declined to comment. An ATT spokesman said: There has been lots of incorrect speculation on CDMA iPhones for a long time. We haven't seen one yet and only Apple knows when that might occur. Apple declined to comment. Separately, Apple plans to release a new version of its current iPhone this summer, continuing its practice of annual upgrades at about the same time of year, said people briefed on the matter. The model is likely to be thinner and have a faster processor, two people familiar with the device said. For ATT, the Apple relationship has been crucial, helping to make the carrier the U.S. leader in lucrative smart-phone market share. According to comScore Inc., ATT has over 43% of all U.S. smart-phone customers, compared with 23% for Verizon. These customers are especially attractive because they generally pay higher monthly rates for data plans. For several quarters, ATT's growth has come almost single-handedly from the iPhone. In the fourth quarter of 2009, the carrier said it activated 3.1 million new iPhones. In comparison, it counted only a net total of 2.7 million new subscribers as some customers moved from other phones to iPhones. You're not going to lose the iPhone [exclusivity] and make up growth somewhere else without bearing the cost, said Sanford C. Bernstein Co. research analyst Craig Moffett. The people briefed on the matter said the upgraded GSM iPhone is being made by Taiwanese contract manufacturer Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., which produced Apple's previous iPhones. The CDMA iPhone model is being made by Pegatron Technology Corp., the contract manufacturing subsidiary of Taiwan's ASUSTeK Computer Inc., said these people. One person familiar with the situation said Pegatron is scheduled to start mass producing CDMA iPhones in September. Other people said, however, that the schedule could change and the phone may not be available to consumers immediately after production begins. Representatives of Pegatron and Hon Hai declined to comment. Verizon has publicly stated its interest in the iPhone, but people familiar with the situation said Apple originally decided against developing a phone for Verizon to keep its development process simple, since the technologies are incompatible. Verizon also is upgrading its network to a higher-speed technology, so Apple has said it believed CDMA was a short-term technology. Apple later changed its mind as it realized Verizon's upgrade would take longer than expected, said people familiar with the situation. Making the iPhone available through Verizon, which has over 91 million customers, as well as potentially other CDMA carriers could open up a significant new market. In 2009, iPhone sales globally rose 83% to 25.1 million, far outpacing the 20% to 25% growth in smart phones sales overall, according to Bernstein. But since Apple already dominates smart-phone sales through existing partners, sooner rather than later, Apple is going to have to look to find incremental distribution, said Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi. He estimates Verizon could help Apple nearly double the number of iPhone users in the U.S. ATT's relationship with Apple, a lucrative deal arranged by Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs, shows how such a partnership with other carriers could present challenges. Analysts estimate ATT pays Apple more than $600 per phone, but sells most of them for $199 or less. Heavy iPhone users have also put an enormous load on ATT's wireless network, pushing the carrier to a breaking point in some markets such as New York and San Francisco. Qualcomm Inc., which holds patent rights to CDMA, is the dominant designer of CDMA chips. Write to Yukari Iwatani Kane at
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Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net: I read this, but again it is a faint rumor. NO one has verified it, and these have been going for a bout a year. I was also struck by the lack of actual sources. It's always people briefed by the company or variations there of. Did wonders for Apple's stock price though. It hit all time highs this week. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Apr 1, 2010, at 7:07 AM, MrMike6by9 wrote: There are very strong hints that a new iPhone will be released before the end of the year that will be Verizon compatible. We all know that someday this will happen. It is about as informed as predicting a sunrise. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. Stewart At 10:23 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: We all know that someday this will happen. It is about as informed as predicting a sunrise. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It can be. Has been going on for decades. I remember when I used the Commodore 64. Went to a tech show at the Ex. (Exhibition center in Toronto) They showed some programs for the 64 that built on Word Pro and did many neat and wonderful things in that day. Fonts, double column printing etc. I cant remember the name of the company but they were out of Salinas Kansas, and their Word processor was exactly what I wanted. Releasing next March, yeah right. Took almost a year to get the program if I remember and I called them a few times about it. The industry has had a habit of teasing about stuff, and being very vague about when it will come out. One thing has stuck with me for a long time. How long is a nanosecond? The length of time it takes you to get your new system home and when it becomes outdated! Stewart At 10:46 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} It can be. Has been going on for decades. I remember when I used the Commodore 64. Went to a tech show at the Ex. (Exhibition center in Toronto) They showed some programs for the 64 that built on Word Pro and did many neat and wonderful things in that day. Fonts, double column printing etc. I cant remember the name of the company but they were out of Salinas Kansas, and their Word processor was exactly what I wanted. Releasing next March, yeah right. Took almost a year to get the program if I remember and I called them a few times about it. The industry has had a habit of teasing about stuff, and being very vague about when it will come out. One thing has stuck with me for a long time. How long is a nanosecond? The length of time it takes you to get your new system home and when it becomes outdated! Stewart At 10:46 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yah, when I bought my cell phone I walked out of the store with it in it's shiny new box, I made it out to my car and took the box from the bag to open my new dandy cell phone and from the door to my car a sticker had been placed...'outdated'...dammit. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} It can be. Has been going on for decades. I remember when I used the Commodore 64. Went to a tech show at the Ex. (Exhibition center in Toronto) They showed some programs for the 64 that built on Word Pro and did many neat and wonderful things in that day. Fonts, double column printing etc. I cant remember the name of the company but they were out of Salinas Kansas, and their Word processor was exactly what I wanted. Releasing next March, yeah right. Took almost a year to get the program if I remember and I called them a few times about it. The industry has had a habit of teasing about stuff, and being very vague about when it will come out. One thing has stuck with me for a long time. How long is a nanosecond? The length of time it takes you to get your new system home and when it becomes outdated! Stewart At 10:46 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OK so I was thinking of a time just longer than a Nanosecond. :-) Stewart At 01:35 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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gear extinction is currently measured in picoseconds, rev ...get with the program ...everything is REVved up!! ;^) -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:35 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} OK so I was thinking of a time just longer than a Nanosecond. :-) Stewart At 01:35 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart At 02:46 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: gear extinction is currently measured in picoseconds, rev ...get with the program ...everything is REVved up!! ;^) -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:35 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} OK so I was thinking of a time just longer than a Nanosecond. :-) Stewart At 01:35 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in € if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Depends on how much you are talking? :-) 6 figures works for my church. Stewart At 04:13 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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6.66€ ...is that good? -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:27 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Depends on how much you are talking? :-) 6 figures works for my church. Stewart At 04:13 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in € if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Add about at least 4 zeroes. Stewart At 04:49 PM 4/1/2010, you wrote: 6.66 ...is that good? -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:27 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Depends on how much you are talking? :-) 6 figures works for my church. Stewart At 04:13 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
