Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-19 Thread mike
Vacation?  The mind boggles.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:

  Where did all this money come from that they can so cavalierly pass on
 $4.7
  billion. Are we being overcharged?

  Of course we are being overcharged.  I am sure that you already know
 that.  To wit, we pay, on average, five times what users in the
 Netherlands pay, and our broadband bills are typically at least twice
 as much as in most other countries.  Corporate Amerika Rules, the only
 country in the world that has no federal law mandating vacation for
 its workers.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:34 AM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Vacation?  The mind boggles.

  Yeah, well, in relation to the subject of paying too much for
internet connectivity, I was only providing a clear cut example of
just how much these big corporations are able to have their way with
both our government and the citizens.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-19 Thread b_s-wilk

Where did all this money come from that they can so cavalierly pass on $4.7
billion. Are we being overcharged?


 Of course we are being overcharged.  I am sure that you already know
that.  To wit, we pay, on average, five times what users in the
Netherlands pay, and our broadband bills are typically at least twice
as much as in most other countries.  Corporate Amerika Rules, the only
country in the world that has no federal law mandating vacation for
its workers.



Plus, when broadband-neglected communities try to roll their own 
broadband [example: Lafayette, LA, http://lafayetteprofiber.com], the 
Telcos fight it tooth and nail, secretly funding no socialism 
campaigns (much like the health insurance industry is now doing 
nationally.)


All the more evidence that it's not government you should fear, it's big 
business.



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Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM, b_s-wilkb1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:

 Plus, when broadband-neglected communities try to roll their own broadband
 [example: Lafayette, LA, http://lafayetteprofiber.com], the Telcos fight it
 tooth and nail, secretly funding no socialism campaigns (much like the
 health insurance industry is now doing nationally.)

 All the more evidence that it's not government you should fear, it's big
 business.

  Actually, we need to be wary of both because big business runs our
government, and as the famous saying goes, the business of government
is business.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-19 Thread b_s-wilk

Plus, when broadband-neglected communities try to roll their own broadband
[example: Lafayette, LA, http://lafayetteprofiber.com], the Telcos fight it
tooth and nail, secretly funding no socialism campaigns (much like the
health insurance industry is now doing nationally.)

All the more evidence that it's not government you should fear, it's big
business.


  Actually, we need to be wary of both because big business runs our
government, and as the famous saying goes, the business of government
is business.


We need a better business/government partnership model to catch up with 
broadband availability. The Calvin Coolidge model you mention didn't 
work so well for the US, and the rest of the world.



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[CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-18 Thread TPiwowar
Looks like rural America will get to keep its guns and religion, but  
it ain't gonna get no DSL.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/13/ 
AR2009081302433.html?wpisrc=newsletterwpisrc=newsletter


The Obama administration made a national priority of spreading high- 
speed Internet access to every American home and offered stimulus  
money to help companies pay for it, but the biggest network operators  
are staying away from the program. 


All three say they are flush with cash, enough to upgrade and expand  
their broadband networks on their own.


Where did all this money come from that they can so cavalierly pass  
on $4.7 billion. Are we being overcharged?





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Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-18 Thread Eric S. Sande

In case you missed this:

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/05/13/Verizon-Frontier-agree-to-86B-sale/UPI-64691242244299/

No comment.


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Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-18 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:

 Where did all this money come from that they can so cavalierly pass on $4.7
 billion. Are we being overcharged?

 Of course we are being overcharged.  I am sure that you already know
that.  To wit, we pay, on average, five times what users in the
Netherlands pay, and our broadband bills are typically at least twice
as much as in most other countries.  Corporate Amerika Rules, the only
country in the world that has no federal law mandating vacation for
its workers.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-18 Thread TPiwowar

On Aug 18, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:

In case you missed this:
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/05/13/Verizon-Frontier-agree- 
to-86B-sale/UPI-64691242244299/


Wow I did!

Approximately 11,000 Verizon employees will switch to working for  
Frontier, Verizon said.


Verizon is bailing completely on those farmers. I never would have  
imagined.





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Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost

2009-08-18 Thread Eric S. Sande

Wow I did!


It ain't exactly news.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2008/03/30/fairpoint_verizon_deal_comes_to_a_close_on_monday/

No comment, I'm just sayin'.


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