Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
Quoting Tony B ton...@gmail.com: Except that just the other day it took three passes on a machine at work for CCleaner to find no more problems. WinXP. Maybe. But that doesn't excuse anything. Nor does it justify anything. A better question would be: Did you see a marked, measurable improvement in something after you did it? I need to justify maintaining my computer?! To who? I don't even know where to get the proper forms! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: I need to justify maintaining my computer?! To who? I don't even know where to get the proper forms! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
??? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: I need to justify maintaining my computer?! To who? I don't even know where to get the proper forms! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. Does any registry cleaner actually work in one pass? I thought it was like cleaning your desk. Every layer unearths a new layer of problems. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
After running a registry cleaner, I usually find that a couple of programs have lost their settings/preferences and have gone back to default settings. The list of stuff to be cleaned is so long and inscrutable that I've never been able to audit it and select items to _not_ be cleaned. Apparently the new security regime requires that all settings/preferences be recorded in registry entries, rather than stored in a .ini file, either in the program directory (where it belongs, IMNSHO) or in the Documents and Settings folder. More places where a virus is not allowed write privileges because no one is. Fred Holmes At 12:05 AM 12/19/2009, Tony B wrote: Maybe. But that doesn't excuse anything. Nor does it justify anything. A better question would be: Did you see a marked, measurable improvement in something after you did it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
No, I've never seen one that does. However that does not mean it's not possible; it only means nobody has done it yet. And let's not analogize too liberally; no dirt is actually being removed, so the term cleaning is not particularly accurate. Sometimes when apps are uninstalled they will leave data in the registry. This is the stuff deleted by registry cleaners. However, aside from making the registry larger, since no more apps ever call this data, it does no harm at all just sitting there. Really, it was a big problem back in Win95 when the registry was new and no programmers really knew how to deal with it. But by Win7 I like to think a lot of that is behind us. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Does any registry cleaner actually work in one pass? I thought it was like cleaning your desk. Every layer unearths a new layer of problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Tony B wrote: Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. Carping about this just shows a lack of experience. M$'s registry repair utility gave the same advice. Utilities that repair disk drives do too. These types of data structures are not always fixed in a single pass. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Does any registry cleaner actually work in one pass? I thought it was like cleaning your desk. Every layer unearths a new layer of problems. Good analogy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
And do you want to remind us - when was that app discontinued? Back in the days of WIn95 I think? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:15 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Carping about this just shows a lack of experience. M$'s registry repair utility gave the same advice. Utilities that repair disk drives do too. These types of data structures are not always fixed in a single pass. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Apparently the new security regime requires that all settings/ preferences be recorded in registry entries, rather than stored in a .ini file, either in the program directory (where it belongs, IMNSHO) or in the Documents and Settings folder. More places where a virus is not allowed write privileges because no one is. I keep hoping the M$ will come to its senses and ditch this dangerous registry nuisance, but they keep digging themselves deeper. M$ has a tendency to this. Outlook suffers from the same misguided design with all the user's email stuck into one big PST file. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
I need a freeware registry cleaner, THAT IS NOT going to tell me that I need to pay to repair the registry and/or, force me to buy some other product I don't need(which is a devious way of making someone pay for something that is claimed to be free). I asked on Yahoo Answers(BSOD question http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AggMFjOWJne9qzIX.CDy_Vvsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20091209200950AA6aTAr) but, every answer that suggested a particular piece of software, recommended software that had the 'free' hook. Since programs like Spybot n' AVG are free, why isn't there a registry cleaner that is 100% free!! :o Christopher * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
Quoting Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net: I need a freeware registry cleaner, THAT IS NOT going to tell me that I need to pay to repair the registry and/or, force me to buy some other product I don't need(which is a devious way of making someone pay for something that is claimed to be free). Do you have a broken registry, or do you just want to tidy up a bit? Have you looked a Crap Cleaner? It'll tidy up without cost. I don't know that it'll fix a broken registry. It'll also do a bunch of other stuff. Sorry. Don't have a link, but The Google knows. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
Ya, ccleaner is the way to go (http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/). But note that, while you should probably have it installed anyway, cleaning your registry isn't likely to solve any system problems you may be having. I rarely ever run the registry cleaner, preferring to just let the old junk lie quietly where it doesn't bother anything. I need a freeware registry cleaner, THAT IS NOT going to tell me that I need to pay to repair the registry and/or, force me to buy some other product I don't need(which is a devious way of making someone pay for something that is claimed to be free). Do you have a broken registry, or do you just want to tidy up a bit? Have you looked a Crap Cleaner? It'll tidy up without cost. I don't know that it'll fix a broken registry. It'll also do a bunch of other stuff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
I use Wise Registry Cleaner (under Vista). They have a pay-for pro version and a totally free one. No obligation of the latter to the former. http://www.wisecleaner.com/download.html Another one you can check out that I have also used very easily and without problem is TweakNow http://www.tweaknow.com/RegCleaner.php Michael From: Reid Katan ka...@his.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 7:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner Quoting Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net: I need a freeware registry cleaner, THAT IS NOT going to tell me that I need to pay to repair the registry and/or, force me to buy some other product I don't need(which is a devious way of making someone pay for something that is claimed to be free). Do you have a broken registry, or do you just want to tidy up a bit? Have you looked a Crap Cleaner? It'll tidy up without cost. I don't know that it'll fix a broken registry. It'll also do a bunch of other stuff. Sorry. Don't have a link, but The Google knows. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 18, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Tony B wrote: But note that, while you should probably have it installed anyway, cleaning your registry isn't likely to solve any system problems you may be having. I rarely ever run the registry cleaner, preferring to just let the old junk lie quietly where it doesn't bother anything. My experience is quite the opposite. After cleaning the registry the PC starts up faster, the desktop draw faster, explorer windows appear faster, and there is a sweet fragrance in the air. I once had a Windows PC where files dragged into the trash would immediately pop back to their previous location, the registry cleaner fixed it. Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as each pass seems to reveal more crap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On 12/18/2009 7:30 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Do you have a broken registry, or do you just want to tidy up a bit? Have you looked a Crap Cleaner? It'll tidy up without cost. I don't know that it'll fix a broken registry. It'll also do a bunch of other stuff. Sorry. Don't have a link, but The Google knows. I have been having trouble with my computer and, wanted to clean out the registry of excess. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
Do you lean towards a specific one? On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 18, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Tony B wrote: But note that, while you should probably have it installed anyway, cleaning your registry isn't likely to solve any system problems you may be having. I rarely ever run the registry cleaner, preferring to just let the old junk lie quietly where it doesn't bother anything. My experience is quite the opposite. After cleaning the registry the PC starts up faster, the desktop draw faster, explorer windows appear faster, and there is a sweet fragrance in the air. I once had a Windows PC where files dragged into the trash would immediately pop back to their previous location, the registry cleaner fixed it. Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as each pass seems to reveal more crap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that] registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and more things need to be cleaned? Either that item needs to be cleaned or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it. This is software, not furniture. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: My experience is quite the opposite. After cleaning the registry the PC starts up faster, the desktop draw faster, explorer windows appear faster, and there is a sweet fragrance in the air. I once had a Windows PC where files dragged into the trash would immediately pop back to their previous location, the registry cleaner fixed it. Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as each pass seems to reveal more crap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Tony B wrote: I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that] registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and more things need to be cleaned? Either that item needs to be cleaned or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it. This is software, not furniture. I already knew that you did not understand this. Now everybody knows. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 18, 2009, at 11:55 AM, mike wrote: Do you lean towards a specific one? I have used several over the years, including a free one that M$ used to make available. They all seemed to do the job well enough. Currently I use Registry First Aid, which is not free. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
The idea is that there is a massive web of interlocked registry items, depending on how adventurous you are will determine how deep you want to clean. Some registry cleaners will inform you that xx number of items are not linked to ANYTHING and can be deleted, and xxx number MAY be linked to active programs so you might want to keep them, or delete them. As you delete more and more, the program can determine which ones are in use and which ones appear to be in use. At least that's what I've taken away from some registry cleaners. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Tony B wrote: I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that] registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and more things need to be cleaned? Either that item needs to be cleaned or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it. This is software, not furniture. I already knew that you did not understand this. Now everybody knows. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 18, 2009, at 1:23 PM, mike wrote: The idea is that there is a massive web of interlocked registry items, depending on how adventurous you are will determine how deep you want to clean. Some registry cleaners will inform you that xx number of items are not linked to ANYTHING and can be deleted, and xxx number MAY be linked to active programs so you might want to keep them, or delete them. As you delete more and more, the program can determine which ones are in use and which ones appear to be in use. At least that's what I've taken away from some registry cleaners. That's better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On 12/18/2009 8:25 AM, Tony B wrote: Ya, ccleaner is the way to go (http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/). But note that, while you should probably have it installed anyway, cleaning your registry isn't likely to solve any system problems you may be having. I rarely ever run the registry cleaner, preferring to just let the old junk lie quietly where it doesn't bother anything. Well, I wanted to do that before, I start with a 'clean slate'. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On 12/18/2009 10:27 AM, tjpa wrote: My experience is quite the opposite. After cleaning the registry the PC starts up faster, the desktop draw faster, explorer windows appear faster, and there is a sweet fragrance in the air. I once had a Windows PC where files dragged into the trash would immediately pop back to their previous location, the registry cleaner fixed it. Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as each pass seems to reveal more crap. Thank you for the suggestion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On 12/18/2009 12:29 PM, Tony B wrote: I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that] registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and more things need to be cleaned? Either that item needs to be cleaned or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it. This is software, not furniture. ROTFLMHO *can't stop laughing* I loved how worded that. Very good point and, thanks for the chuckle. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
Quoting Tony B ton...@gmail.com: I can't recall seeing that happen since the old Win9x days. As I recall we had this discussion back then - to wit, if [this or that] registry cleaner is so great, why does it keep telling you more and more things need to be cleaned? Either that item needs to be cleaned or it doesn't. It's absurd to think that items are hiding behind other items and can't be seen until you move the object from in front of it. This is software, not furniture. Note that you will usually need to run the cleaner several times as each pass seems to reveal more crap. Except that just the other day it took three passes on a machine at work for CCleaner to find no more problems. WinXP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
Maybe. But that doesn't excuse anything. Nor does it justify anything. A better question would be: Did you see a marked, measurable improvement in something after you did it? Except that just the other day it took three passes on a machine at work for CCleaner to find no more problems. WinXP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
