Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Paul Meyer wrote: Old topic, I know but I am cleaning out my folders. Basic and Fortran are very different animals from object oriented languages. Books on design patterns in those languages will really get you to understand why o-o is useful. C++ FAQ is a greatly educative and easier to read book. C# is pretty once you know C++. Actually, I'd say C# is closer to Java than it is to C++. With maybe a dash of Object-C thrown in (properties as part of classes). - Original Message From: Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Mon, May 18, 2009 3:18:06 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn Java has always been easy to learn since they have always given both the compiler and a set of tutorials away. Not to mention that the API documentation is also publicly (and freely) available. The tutorials (called the trails) are available at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ I have never found a book that does any better, and many are substantially worse. Keep in mind that Java is... huge. Beyond the language itself there are truly a massive number of libraries, APIs, specifications, and editions (and implementations of same) that are available and which some people will assume you know. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Michael Drabick m.drab...@hdhcci.comwrote: I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Mike -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
Old topic, I know but I am cleaning out my folders. Basic and Fortran are very different animals from object oriented languages. Books on design patterns in those languages will really get you to understand why o-o is useful. C++ FAQ is a greatly educative and easier to read book. C# is pretty once you know C++. - Original Message From: Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Mon, May 18, 2009 3:18:06 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn Java has always been easy to learn since they have always given both the compiler and a set of tutorials away. Not to mention that the API documentation is also publicly (and freely) available. The tutorials (called the trails) are available at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ I have never found a book that does any better, and many are substantially worse. Keep in mind that Java is... huge. Beyond the language itself there are truly a massive number of libraries, APIs, specifications, and editions (and implementations of same) that are available and which some people will assume you know. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Michael Drabick m.drab...@hdhcci.comwrote: I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
Probably the best way is to just buy a book and start coding. As to what to code you could look around for an open source project to join. Parallel to this a class at the local community college will help credential you. Do you already have a clearance? Matthew On May 18, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Michael Drabick wrote: I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
On Mon, 18 May 2009, Michael Drabick wrote: I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Are you up on object-oriented programming? If not, I think Java is the easiest way to learn that (since everything is a part of a class, you can't cheat). Unless you already know C, I'd leave C++ to last (if you _do_ know C, then C++ will let you gradually add classes/objects to your programs). C#, despite it's name is actually closer to Java than to C/C++. Beyond that, I'm not sure of the best way to learn. I usually start with a good book to learn a new language, but I haven't liked any of the Java or C++ books I've read as something I'd recommend for beginners. I've done tutoring in the past, but I'm kind of short of time. If you do try learning on your own, and get stuck, feel free to email me. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
Matthew, No clearances, but do know of a back door to get one. Community College sounds like a good idea. Open Source - would Mozilla be one of those using Java? Mike Matthew Taylor wrote: Probably the best way is to just buy a book and start coding. As to what to code you could look around for an open source project to join. Parallel to this a class at the local community college will help credential you. Do you already have a clearance? Matthew On May 18, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Michael Drabick wrote: I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
I will look for a good book and get started, thanks for your offer to help. It is greatly appreciated. Mike Vicky Staubly wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2009, Michael Drabick wrote: I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Are you up on object-oriented programming? If not, I think Java is the easiest way to learn that (since everything is a part of a class, you can't cheat). Unless you already know C, I'd leave C++ to last (if you _do_ know C, then C++ will let you gradually add classes/objects to your programs). C#, despite it's name is actually closer to Java than to C/C++. Beyond that, I'm not sure of the best way to learn. I usually start with a good book to learn a new language, but I haven't liked any of the Java or C++ books I've read as something I'd recommend for beginners. I've done tutoring in the past, but I'm kind of short of time. If you do try learning on your own, and get stuck, feel free to email me. -- *Mike Drabick HDH Construction Consultants, Inc. 175 Admiral Cochrane Drive Suite 402 Annapolis, MD 21401 410-571-1100 410-571-1177 Fax* * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
I don't think that Mozilla is Java based. Sourceforge would be the place to check to see what Java based open sourced projects are out there. Found an interesting link here that might prove useful: http://sourceforge.net/community/forum/topic.php?id=229 On May 18, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Michael Drabick wrote: Matthew, No clearances, but do know of a back door to get one. Community College sounds like a good idea. Open Source - would Mozilla be one of those using Java? Mike Matthew Taylor wrote: Probably the best way is to just buy a book and start coding. As to what to code you could look around for an open source project to join. Parallel to this a class at the local community college will help credential you. Do you already have a clearance? Matthew On May 18, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Michael Drabick wrote: I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
Java has always been easy to learn since they have always given both the compiler and a set of tutorials away. Not to mention that the API documentation is also publicly (and freely) available. The tutorials (called the trails) are available at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ I have never found a book that does any better, and many are substantially worse. Keep in mind that Java is... huge. Beyond the language itself there are truly a massive number of libraries, APIs, specifications, and editions (and implementations of same) that are available and which some people will assume you know. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Michael Drabick m.drab...@hdhcci.comwrote: I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
