[CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-14 Thread Kee, Arnold
 
Rich wrote--

Did I miss remedial math in grade school?  1 hour a day for a 365 day
year looks to me like 365  hours use in one year. then divide 10,000 /
365 looks like over 27 years..

But in reality, most people don't use their monitor for only 1 hour a
day, but even given 5 hours a day for a 365 day year it comes up to well
over 5 years before the monitor goes under.. but then if they take a
vacation, all bets are off G

Or did I miss something?

Not at all, I was assuming that Tom would use the ELD 24 hours a day,
Ha!
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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-14 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I keep my CRT on many hours during the day at home.  It goes into 
hibernation but is still on, and I have had my CRT for well over 2 
years now.  And it was a refurb! (IBM G96)


Stewart


At 09:23 AM 6/14/2007, you wrote:


Rich wrote--

Did I miss remedial math in grade school?  1 hour a day for a 365 day
year looks to me like 365  hours use in one year. then divide 10,000 /
365 looks like over 27 years..

But in reality, most people don't use their monitor for only 1 hour a
day, but even given 5 hours a day for a 365 day year it comes up to well
over 5 years before the monitor goes under.. but then if they take a
vacation, all bets are off G

Or did I miss something?

Not at all, I was assuming that Tom would use the ELD 24 hours a day,
Ha!
Arnold  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-14 Thread Tom Piwowar
Not at all, I was assuming that Tom would use the ELD 24 hours a day,

Makes a great night light!



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-13 Thread Tom Piwowar
 I just read that ELDs lose half their brightness every year.  That's
 going to be a very short life. I feel cheated.

Where did you read it?

If it were a reliable source I would have linked to it. It was a 
discussion at the Macintouch site of the new LED lit LCDs that Apple is 
introducing.

My hope that was that some well-read individual on the list would be able 
to confirm or deny.

My 1 year old Dell LCDs do not appear to have lost half their brightness 
and I'm still running them at 10 on a scale of 100. I often see people 
running their LCDs at 90 to 100. I'm wondering what those folks are 
experiencing.

So far only 1 of the LCDs I bought has died (just out of warrenty).

Any bright observations?



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-13 Thread Tony B

I believe you have read the article incorrectly. Or it's just that
we're all in danger of discussing different things with all these
acronyms being thrown around.

The second article mentions *OLED's* as having a 10,000 hour lifespan in *2004*.

On 6/13/07, Kee, Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

After looking at a couple of sources,
http://proav.pubdyn.com/Tech_Apps/August85200535903PM.htm
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cm/japanmarkt-fpd-04.html

ELD life was quoted as 10,000 hours.  That works out to 1.14 years at
one hour a day (10,000/24/365).




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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-13 Thread Snyder, Mark
My 4 or 5 year old Powerbook's LCD is fine and so is my 2-3 year old
Apple LCD connected to my G5 desktop. Not sure where the 1/2 per year is
coming from...

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
If it were a reliable source I would have linked to it. It was a
discussion at the Macintouch site of the new LED lit LCDs that Apple is
introducing.

My hope that was that some well-read individual on the list would be
able to confirm or deny.

My 1 year old Dell LCDs do not appear to have lost half their brightness
and I'm still running them at 10 on a scale of 100. I often see people
running their LCDs at 90 to 100. I'm wondering what those folks are
experiencing.

So far only 1 of the LCDs I bought has died (just out of warrenty).

Any bright observations?



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-13 Thread Rich Schinnell

At 02:23 PM 6/13/2007, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:28:54 -0400
From:Kee, Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known
After looking at a couple of sources,
http://proav.pubdyn.com/Tech_Apps/August85200535903PM.htm
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cm/japanmarkt-fpd-04.html

ELD life was quoted as 10,000 hours.  That works out to 1.14 years at
one hour a day (10,000/24/365).
If others are interested in finding other sources, let's see whether
Tom's fear was more than gossip--so far, his earlier notion is being
confirmed.  But I suspect he would be happy to find out that he can keep
the display longer than originally reported.

Arnold



Did I miss remedial math in grade school?  1 hour a day for a 365 day 
year looks to me like 365  hours use in one year. then divide 10,000 / 365

looks like over 27 years..

But in reality, most people don't use their monitor for only 1 hour a 
day, but even given 5 hours a day for a 365 day year it comes up to 
well over 5 years before the monitor goes under.. but then if they 
take a vacation, all bets are off G


Or did I miss something?

Rich 




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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-13 Thread Tom Piwowar
ELD life was quoted as 10,000 hours.

Using the monitor for 10 hours per day, 250 days per year would give me a 
life of 4 years. Nowhere as good as a CRT, but not terrible. But how do 
they define life? 



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-13 Thread mike

from viewsonic:

The only item that ages on an LCD monitor is the backlight, which is
composed of one or more tiny fluorescent tubes. The typical life of a
backlight is 50,000 hours to the half brightness point-the point at which
brightness is one-half of the original brightness, and the industry standard
measure for product life.

A CRT ages in two ways: An oxide layer forms on the cathode of the electron
gun, decreasing beam current; and the phosphor ages and becomes less
efficient. The typical CRT half-brightness point occurs between 10,000 and
20,000 hours.

Mike



On 6/13/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


ELD life was quoted as 10,000 hours.

Using the monitor for 10 hours per day, 250 days per year would give me a
life of 4 years. Nowhere as good as a CRT, but not terrible. But how do
they define life?



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-13 Thread Tom Piwowar
The only item that ages on an LCD monitor is the backlight...50,000 hours
The typical CRT half-brightness point occurs between 10,000 and 20,000 hours.

20 years! That would be happy news indeed. Can they really last that 
long? That would be amazing. My experience is that Viewsonic usually 
provides accurate information, but 20 years? I guess I can stop feeling 
shorted. Thanks.



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-13 Thread Steve Rigby

On Jun 12, 2007, at 7:00 PM, John DeCarlo wrote:

Also, I have some 6 year old laptops still in use and their LCD 
screens look

fine - no degradation that I can see with the naked eye.

Of course I am not a graphics expert doing high level graphics with 
color

matching, etc.


  That is the knock against LCD screens.  They still are not considered 
to be as accurate or as pleasing as CRT screens in the realm of 
computer graphics.


  Steve



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[CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-12 Thread Tom Piwowar
When I was replacing the many CRTs in our office and classrooms I tried 
to get some information about how long these LCDs would last. I knew they 
would not last the 10-plus years of CRTs, but I hoped their life would be 
more than a couple of years. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything about 
it.

Now that LEDs are replacing the ELPs in LCDs, finally the truth be known. 
I just read that ELDs lose half their brightness every year.  That's 
going to be a very short life. I feel cheated.



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-12 Thread John DeCarlo

The four year old 19 LCDs in my general vicinity look as good as the brand
new ones.

At least without moving one to put them side-by-side.

Also, I have some 6 year old laptops still in use and their LCD screens look
fine - no degradation that I can see with the naked eye.

Of course I am not a graphics expert doing high level graphics with color
matching, etc.


--
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-12 Thread mike

Where did you read it?

Mike

On 6/12/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


When I was replacing the many CRTs in our office and classrooms I tried
to get some information about how long these LCDs would last. I knew they
would not last the 10-plus years of CRTs, but I hoped their life would be
more than a couple of years. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything about
it.

Now that LEDs are replacing the ELPs in LCDs, finally the truth be known.
I just read that ELDs lose half their brightness every year.  That's
going to be a very short life. I feel cheated.



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-12 Thread Tony B

Ya, this is the worst kind of noob post. I 'heard' that fillintheblank
lose half their life every year too. Want facts or a link? Look it up
yourself, I can't be bothered.

On 6/12/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Where did you read it?



 Now that LEDs are replacing the ELPs in LCDs, finally the truth be known.
 I just read that ELDs lose half their brightness every year.  That's
 going to be a very short life. I feel cheated.




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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-12 Thread mike

You can't be bothered?  I didn't *ask* you.  Why send a post for no other
reason then rudeness to someone who hadn't even posted anything *to* you or
about anything you had posted?  Don't be bothered next time.

Mike

On 6/12/07, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Ya, this is the worst kind of noob post. I 'heard' that fillintheblank
lose half their life every year too. Want facts or a link? Look it up
yourself, I can't be bothered.

On 6/12/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Where did you read it?

  Now that LEDs are replacing the ELPs in LCDs, finally the truth be
known.
  I just read that ELDs lose half their brightness every year.  That's
  going to be a very short life. I feel cheated.



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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

2007-06-12 Thread mike

looks like.  been up and working about..since this time last night, my
sarcasm bone is asleep in bed at home.  lucky sarcasm.  apologies.

Mike

On 6/12/07, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm afraid my sarcasm has whizzed over your head completely. I was
agreeing with you, and excoriating Tom for posting unfounded gossip.

On 6/12/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can't be bothered?  I didn't *ask* you.



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