Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:56 AM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Well the bringing together only applies when you completely agree with the MFB's. Perhaps we can agree on this generality: Windows is the OS of the business and governmental world while Mac is the OS of the more artistic sensibilities. To accept such would explain the difference in so-called market share. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: What the heck are you talking about? Since when is targeted advertising (which is basically, all good advertising) vicious and reprehensible? You do know that ads like this are just make believe? This is not a real life scene that's been altered because of racism. Only an advertising idiot would use a clipart scene of a woman in charge in say, Riyadh. Or a clipart with no white guys in 100% white Poland. Or is it Poland you find reprehensible for not having more black people? They should have just staged a similar photos for the other markets at hand instead of photoshopping in a new head. I think the head transplant was plain lazy given that they missed the hand. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2009/08/microsoft-002225.php Those miracle workers in Redmond have had a busy day. What will they think of next? Apple will never have to worry about such things, considering how their ads are unfailingly stuffed with lily-white actors. It's like a 1950's Newport yacht club. MS ads, OTOH, have demonstrated a tremendous amount of ethnic diversity over the years. This was a particularly unwise decision on their marketing trolls' part, but MS has nothing to apologize for on the whole when it comes to ethnic representation in their advertising. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
I haven't been following the story closely, but I suspect it was just a random piece of clip art someone found. And it's unfair to now analyze the job so closely as to try to match the skin tone of the hand. Clip art is manipulated all the time; this really isn't a big story. Much funnier are the ones with extra hands or man-hands in place of women's hands. There are collections of these on the internet, and they're a staple on late night talk shows. It would be a big mistake for MS to apologize. So far, the only 'apology' I've seen is a blurb in someone's blog. They should have just staged a similar photos for the other markets at hand instead of photoshopping in a new head. I think the head transplant was plain lazy given that they missed the hand. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: Apple will never have to worry about such things, considering how their ads are unfailingly stuffed with lily-white actors. It's like a 1950's Newport yacht club. Unfailingly? A bad choice for a word to describe Apple's ads over time, and also quite untrue. Mostly using white actors or models would be appropriate as it would also be for MS. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
This is true, and, as a Mac user all my computing life, I've noticed this and felt quite uncomfortable about it. The sense of community is rather skewered toward white reps and users; entertainers of other ethnic origin qualify as emblems only (eg Macy Gray). --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Apple will never have to worry about such things, considering how their ads are unfailingly stuffed with lily-white actors. It's like a 1950's Newport yacht club. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
This is true, and, as a Mac user all my computing life, I've noticed this and felt quite uncomfortable about it. The sense of community is rather skewered toward white reps and users; entertainers of other ethnic origin qualify as emblems only (eg Macy Gray). Even then, they have problems. http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2008/03/apple-huge-goof-jobs-entire-board-to.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:32 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: They should have just staged a similar photos for the other markets at hand instead of photoshopping in a new head. I think the head transplant was plain lazy given that they m Lazy, of course. Isnt that M$ MO through and through? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't been following the story closely, but I suspect it was just a random piece of clip art someone found. And it's unfair to now analyze the job so closely as to try to match the skin tone of the hand. Clip art is manipulated all the time; this really isn't a big story. Much funnier are the ones with extra hands or man-hands in place of women's hands. There are collections of these on the internet, and they're a staple on late night talk shows. It would be a big mistake for MS to apologize. So far, the only 'apology' I've seen is a blurb in someone's blog. It would be just as embarrassing for the images to be found on a stock image sellers web page. M$ can afford to buy new. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2009/08/microsoft-002225.php Those miracle workers in Redmond have had a busy day. What will they think of next? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:01 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Those miracle workers in Redmond have had a busy day. What will they think of next? Anything for a buck. Totally unacceptable. Vicious and reprehensible advertising. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
What the heck are you talking about? Since when is targeted advertising (which is basically, all good advertising) vicious and reprehensible? You do know that ads like this are just make believe? This is not a real life scene that's been altered because of racism. Only an advertising idiot would use a clipart scene of a woman in charge in say, Riyadh. Or a clipart with no white guys in 100% white Poland. Or is it Poland you find reprehensible for not having more black people? On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:53 PM, phartz...@gmail.comphartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:01 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Those miracle workers in Redmond have had a busy day. What will they think of next? Anything for a buck. Totally unacceptable. Vicious and reprehensible advertising. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Tony B wrote: What the heck are you talking about? Since when is targeted advertising (which is basically, all good advertising) vicious and reprehensible? Its not like they put white hoods on all the people sitting at the table. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
I know every one loves a good conspiracy theory, but if you read the article closely, the advertising was changed in Europe and they did the whitening over in Europe. It was not done in Redmond but in Europe. Racism is alive and well all over the world. Stewart At 10:05 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Tony B wrote: What the heck are you talking about? Since when is targeted advertising (which is basically, all good advertising) vicious and reprehensible? Its not like they put white hoods on all the people sitting at the table. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
Then how do you explain the Windows/Mac crap? Stewart At 11:18 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I know every one loves a good conspiracy theory, but if you read the article closely, the advertising was changed in Europe and they did the whitening over in Europe. It was not done in Redmond but in Europe. Perhaps so, but Redmond must shoulder the responsibility and is apparently responding. The ad was produced in the name of Microsoft and was probably paid for by Microsoft. Racism is alive and well all over the world. I thought that the international aspects of computing and the internet was supposed to bring us all together as one. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I know every one loves a good conspiracy theory, but if you read the article closely, the advertising was changed in Europe and they did the whitening over in Europe. It was not done in Redmond but in Europe. Perhaps so, but Redmond must shoulder the responsibility and is apparently responding. The ad was produced in the name of Microsoft and was probably paid for by Microsoft. Racism is alive and well all over the world. I thought that the international aspects of computing and the internet was supposed to bring us all together as one. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
Well the bringing together only applies when you completely agree with the MFB's. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Then how do you explain the Windows/Mac crap? Stewart At 11:18 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I know every one loves a good conspiracy theory, but if you read the article closely, the advertising was changed in Europe and they did the whitening over in Europe. It was not done in Redmond but in Europe. Perhaps so, but Redmond must shoulder the responsibility and is apparently responding. The ad was produced in the name of Microsoft and was probably paid for by Microsoft. Racism is alive and well all over the world. I thought that the international aspects of computing and the internet was supposed to bring us all together as one. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
