Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
But then what does the head of Android know? Guys sitting in their basement writing for a blog that plays just to mac zealots obviously know more about Google then just a guy that works there. Once again, anything that comes from an independent, non-MS source you condemn as wicked zealotry. You are so steeped in MS happy talk that you just can't bear a careful analysis of a puzzeling occurrence. The writer observed that it is strange that WINCE got the spotlight, even though Android phones are expected to arrive before well before WINCE. That is a good question. When people act oddly it is valid to ask why. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
So I give you a non MS source...the *actual* head of Android and then I condemn it as...hold on my head is spinning, somebody get me off your crazy ride. The only puzzling occurrence is your really weird logic. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: But then what does the head of Android know? Guys sitting in their basement writing for a blog that plays just to mac zealots obviously know more about Google then just a guy that works there. Once again, anything that comes from an independent, non-MS source you condemn as wicked zealotry. You are so steeped in MS happy talk that you just can't bear a careful analysis of a puzzeling occurrence. The writer observed that it is strange that WINCE got the spotlight, even though Android phones are expected to arrive before well before WINCE. That is a good question. When people act oddly it is valid to ask why. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
What I took away from the windows weekly take on the new M$ mobile is that it was just fresh lipstick on the same old pig. The real new Windows Mobile OS was is development hell ala Vista. I can't tell you where I heard the rumor that M$ was leaning on the phone companies not to produce Android devices. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
You can't, the article doesn't have anything about MS paying to or suppressing news. You really ought to sign up for some remedial reading classes. Despite racking up a big list of top-tier phone set manufacturers in its Android Open Handset Alliance, Google¹s mobile operating system was nearly non-existant among OHA members¹ announcements at the GSMA Mobile World Congress. Is Microsoft to blame? Is there any possibility that LG simply decided on its own to stay quiet about Android at MWC? No, money was involved. (Note the comma after No.) Why are Android¹s OHA partners unable to say anything about Android at the place to talk about the future of mobile phones? And why are HTC and LG, which have the most to gain from adopting a free operating system, all touting Windows Mobile instead? Perhaps they¹ve been bitten with Microsoft¹s Nigerian Bribe Bug. Once infected, companies have to exclusively chat up Windows, just like all the generic PC Makers who are deeply indebted to Microsoft¹s 'We Recommend Windows'co-marketing money. Etc. Etc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
I need remedial reading? Did you see the question mark at the end of 'Is Microsoft to blame?' See that question mark? It's an open question they never prove. The writer has a theory that MS is somehow keeping android out, he never comes close to proving it. Yeah, I see the comma...money is always involved. He takes money being involved in LG creating handsets for MS as meaning MS paid off LG to NOT do android? I know in your mixed up MS is the Sith world, 1 + 2 = MS IS EVIL, but it doesn't here in real life. This whole blog post is full of question marks with no answers, full of sentences being started with perhaps or maybe and why. Heavy on theory, not so good on facts. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-271256.html Try that, ZDNET actually *speaks* to Rich Miner, the point man for android at google. I know you'd rather get your 'facts' from MFB's who didn't attend the conference, but it might interest others to actually hear facts from the horses mouth and not the back end of roughlydrafted. Try posting your stuff to coast to coast, all those fake conspiracies get better play there. A short quote: *We think we are very much on track. We only released the open-source code late last October, Miner said in an interview with CNET News. We said we'd have the release software out in 2008, and we did. We said we'd have at least one phone out in 2008, and we launched that in October. * *Designing phones takes time, he added. If you understand anything about the design cycle for OEMs [original equipment manufacturers] to build handsets, it takes a good 12-to-18 months to go from paper to completion. And there are many handsets in development now. The second phone has been announced, and we expect to see more throughout the year, Miner said.* But then what does the head of Android know? Guys sitting in their basement writing for a blog that plays just to mac zealots obviously know more about Google then just a guy that works there. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: You can't, the article doesn't have anything about MS paying to or suppressing news. You really ought to sign up for some remedial reading classes. Despite racking up a big list of top-tier phone set manufacturers in its Android Open Handset Alliance, Google¹s mobile operating system was nearly non-existant among OHA members¹ announcements at the GSMA Mobile World Congress. Is Microsoft to blame? Is there any possibility that LG simply decided on its own to stay quiet about Android at MWC? No, money was involved. (Note the comma after No.) Why are Android¹s OHA partners unable to say anything about Android at the place to talk about the future of mobile phones? And why are HTC and LG, which have the most to gain from adopting a free operating system, all touting Windows Mobile instead? Perhaps they¹ve been bitten with Microsoft¹s Nigerian Bribe Bug. Once infected, companies have to exclusively chat up Windows, just like all the generic PC Makers who are deeply indebted to Microsoft¹s 'We Recommend Windows' co-marketing money. Etc. Etc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
Me thinks that some here are peeing in the wind.. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
Jailbreaking is a nondestructive software change to the Touch. It sounds like something you'd do with sharp metal tools, but it's not. A jailbroken iPod Touch or iPhone can easily be returned to the original state. iPod Touch as phone, details, 2009: http://touchmods.wordpress.com/previous-sip-voip-releases/ http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120447 The MacAlly iVoice III microphone works on Gen 1 Touch only if you plug the headphone in to the iPod jack, not the iVoice mic. Will find more info for myself soon. My son gave me his Touch for Christmas when he got an iPhone. This is FUN! Does your iTouch need to be jailbroken? I thought that was only required of the iPhone models. If that is the case I guess I will start paying more attention to Android phones. There's a version of Skype for mobile phones that should work on the second generation iPod Touch. I have a 1st gen which needs an external microphone that I can either buy for $50 or hack myself with a few parts and a soldering gun, plus it needs to be jailbroken. Unlocking your GSM WiFi phone may not allow you to use Skype or similar because companies like Orange, O2, ATT and T-Mobile have disabled those features on their branded WiFi/GSM phones if you don't purchase a data package. Of course that makes using mobile VOIP and Skype almost pointless anyway. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
Barron's is bullish on Verizon this month; says outlook is good. Rumor is iPhone on VZ, http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/02/23/apple-to-launch-iphone -on-verizon-wireless/trackback/. That might be nice, but I recently was reading a blog that called the iPod Touch the phone of the future. The network I want to plug into is not the one provided by Verizon or ATT. I consider those phone-based networks to be more of an impediment. The don't offer me what I want. You get one of them and the 1st thing they try to do is block your access to VOIP. I think you're right about VOIP. The iPod Touch v.2 has a microphone, unlike v.1. With VOIP software [Jahjah, Fring, etc.] it should work as a phone, just not an iPhone--but they're not the same anyway. Most of the high-end phones from Nokia [N-series] have WiFi, as do some from other companies as well. The N-97 will have a touch screen and VOIP when it's released in June, supposedly with open use of VOIP on any WiFi for the European, not US models. Orange Mobile released a mobile phone in 2007 that has both VOIP and GSM voice service. For VOIP-only in some locations the charge is around 10 Euros/mo. unlimited on their network. There's a version of Skype for mobile phones that should work on the second generation iPod Touch. I have a 1st gen which needs an external microphone that I can either buy for $50 or hack myself with a few parts and a soldering gun, plus it needs to be jailbroken. Unlocking your GSM WiFi phone may not allow you to use Skype or similar because companies like Orange, O2, ATT and T-Mobile have disabled those features on their branded WiFi/GSM phones if you don't purchase a data package. Of course that makes using mobile VOIP and Skype almost pointless anyway. http://www.skype.com/mobile/ http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1291072 http://2009.nseries.com/ http://www.fring.com/ http://gigaom.com/2008/06/03/mobile-voip/ As for FIOS, I was using fiber optics in my sculptures in the late 1970s, so it's really an old technology. Using a variety of technologies for wired and unwired broadband--land based and mobile--can make the US a leader in communications technology again. Better do it before it's too late. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
Does your iTouch need to be jailbroken? I thought that was only required of the iPhone models. If that is the case I guess I will start paying more attention to Android phones. There's a version of Skype for mobile phones that should work on the second generation iPod Touch. I have a 1st gen which needs an external microphone that I can either buy for $50 or hack myself with a few parts and a soldering gun, plus it needs to be jailbroken. Unlocking your GSM WiFi phone may not allow you to use Skype or similar because companies like Orange, O2, ATT and T-Mobile have disabled those features on their branded WiFi/GSM phones if you don't purchase a data package. Of course that makes using mobile VOIP and Skype almost pointless anyway. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
Android phones??? On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Does your iTouch need to be jailbroken? I thought that was only required of the iPhone models. If that is the case I guess I will start paying more attention to Android phones. There's a version of Skype for mobile phones that should work on the second generation iPod Touch. I have a 1st gen which needs an external microphone that I can either buy for $50 or hack myself with a few parts and a soldering gun, plus it needs to be jailbroken. Unlocking your GSM WiFi phone may not allow you to use Skype or similar because companies like Orange, O2, ATT and T-Mobile have disabled those features on their branded WiFi/GSM phones if you don't purchase a data package. Of course that makes using mobile VOIP and Skype almost pointless anyway. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
Android phones??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Android MS is apparently spending big bucks to suppress news reports about Android. See roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/18/did-microsoft-kill-android-at-mobile-world-co ngress-2009/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
I guess I missed it in the 'article', but where does it say MS is suppressing news or spending money doing so? You need to follow the link and read the article. Do I really have to explain everything to you? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]
You can't, the article doesn't have anything about MS paying to or suppressing news. HTC said: When asked about Android, a report by mocoNews in the *Washington Post* said that company president Peter Chou told reporters, “Google Android is part of our product portfolio” and that new phones “were coming out in the future.” If MS is suppressing and paying off news sources they better do a better job. Try reading real websites instead of sticking to the jeff rense/alex jones model of mac reporting. Or don't and continue to marginalize yourself with these strange MFB links. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I guess I missed it in the 'article', but where does it say MS is suppressing news or spending money doing so? You need to follow the link and read the article. Do I really have to explain everything to you? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
