Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
To call that a positive review is delusional. Delusional?? I'll tell you what's delusional: saying that a review containing these phrases is not a positive review: a gorgeous multitouch screen, feels expensive and solid in the hand, fluid, beautiful and incredibly responsive, bright, sharp and colorful OLED screen, full of clever features, and Microsoft has done a truly beautiful job of this player and its software. Saying that this isn't a positive review, now that is truly delusional. It's practically psychotic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
On Sep 18, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Saying that this isn't a positive review, now that is truly delusional. It's practically psychotic. It is not a positive review. It cites many positive features, but concludes that these are insufficient. That is not a positive conclusion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
It is not a positive review. It cites many positive features, but concludes that these are insufficient. That is not a positive conclusion. You're dreaming. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
To be clear the conclusion was: *It’s an outdated joke; the Zune HD player isn’t perfect, but it’s every bit as joyful, polished and satisfying as its rival. The question is whether Microsoft will stick it out long enough to close the catalog gap, the ecosystem gap and the image gap.* None of that says insufficient. Seems to say every big as joyful, polished and satisfying. I'm sure Tom will continue to alter the meanings of those words. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: It is not a positive review. It cites many positive features, but concludes that these are insufficient. That is not a positive conclusion. You're dreaming. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/technology/personaltech/17pogue.html?8dpc Zune’s reputation as the player for weirdos and losers. Among the under-25 set, “Zune” is a punch line Wow! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/technology/personaltech/17pogue.html?8dpc Zune's reputation as the player for weirdos and losers. Among the under-25 set, Zune is a punch line Wow! Boy, you really had to hunt for something negative in that review, didn't you? How strange that you didn't quote the very next sentence: It's an outdated joke; the Zune HD player isn't perfect, but it's every bit as joyful, polished and satisfying as [iPod]. To save others from having to click the link, I'll add a few other quotes that you accidentally omitted: a gorgeous multitouch screen dominates the front. Its handsome, beveled metal case weighs next to nothing, yet still feels expensive and solid in the hand. The software design is fluid, beautiful and incredibly responsive. bright, sharp and colorful OLED screen full of clever features that help you discover new music you like based on what you've liked before Microsoft has done a truly beautiful job of this player and its software. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
Chris, I think Tom's point is that mighty M$ has a major marketing failure on their hands. David Pogue also said: All right, then: so why sympathy? Because, after three years, hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising, and, yes, a lot of real innovation, the Zune has managed to claim a measly 1.1 percent of the music player market. For a more pointed criticism of the Zune (by AppleInsider, a biased reviewer), check here: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/14/from_oled_to_tegra_five_my ths_of_the_zune_hd.html From OLED to Tegra: Five Myths of the Zune HD Just when you thought Microsoft had given up on the Zune as a product and had retreated to referring to it as a nebulous cloud of conceptual features, the company comes out with a new device supporting a mobile-optimized OLED screen, a wildly powerful yet super efficient new multi-core Tegra graphics processor and support for high definition radio. The problem is that none of those things are actually true. ( 401 comments ) Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Boy, you really had to hunt for something negative in that review, didn't you? How strange that you didn't quote the very next sentence: It's an outdated joke; the Zune HD player isn't perfect, but it's every bit as joyful, polished and satisfying as [iPod]. To save others from having to click the link, I'll add a few other quotes that you accidentally omitted: a gorgeous multitouch screen dominates the front. Its handsome, beveled metal case weighs next to nothing, yet still feels expensive and solid in the hand. The software design is fluid, beautiful and incredibly responsive. bright, sharp and colorful OLED screen full of clever features that help you discover new music you like based on what you've liked before Microsoft has done a truly beautiful job of this player and its software. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:15:22 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/technology/personaltech/17pogue.html?8dpc Zunes reputation as the player for weirdos and losers. Among the under-25 set, Zune is a punch line Wow! Wow! is right. You pick out the single most damning line in a generally positive review and hold it up as proof that the Zune Sucks. Let's back up just one paragraph: Now, its one thing to fail because youre greedy, or youve made disastrous design decisions, or you didnt bother sweating the details. But none of that applies to the Zune. If this thing came out in a parallel universe where the iPod didnt exist, it would be hailed as a god. Fair and balanced, anyone? -- R:\katan LET'S GO METS!! LET'S GO METS!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
Some interesting things are heard about the Zune in this week's MacBreak Weekly Podcast #158: They Don't Have That in the US. The comments begin around 00:40 in and go for about 10-15 minutes. YMMV - - - No man is exempt from saying silly things; the mischief is to say them deliberately. - Michel de Montaigne Subject: Re: Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$ http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/technology/personaltech/17pogue.html?8dpc Zune's reputation as the player for weirdos and losers. Among the under-25 set, Zune is a punch line Wow! Boy, you really had to hunt for something negative in that review, didn't you? How strange that you didn't quote the very next sentence: It's an outdated joke; the Zune HD player isn't perfect, but it's every bit as joyful, polished and satisfying as [iPod]. To save others from having to click the link, I'll add a few other quotes that you accidentally omitted: a gorgeous multitouch screen dominates the front. Its handsome, beveled metal case weighs next to nothing, yet still feels expensive and solid in the hand. The software design is fluid, beautiful and incredibly responsive. bright, sharp and colorful OLED screen full of clever features that help you discover new music you like based on what you've liked before Microsoft has done a truly beautiful job of this player and its software. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
Chris Dunford http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/technology/personaltech/17pogue.html?8dpc Zune's reputation as the player for weirdos and losers. Among the under-25 set, Zune is a punch line Wow! Boy, you really had to hunt for something negative in that review, didn't you? How strange that you didn't quote the very next sentence: snip The one thing I miss about the Zune is a version of the s/w for the Mac. Don't get me wrong, my slightly less than a year-old iPod is fine, but I want competition! Few actual MP3 players begin to measure to the iPod and those that will work with a Mac don't do very well. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Taglines for sale, see our red tag sale * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:42 AM Sep 17, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: I think Tom's point is that mighty M$ has a major marketing failure on their hands. David Pogue also said: All right, then: so why sympathy? Thank you Mark, that is precisely my point. Equally remarkable is the inability of some of us to see how remarkable the Zune is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Wow! is right. You pick out the single most damning line in a generally positive review and hold it up as proof that the Zune Sucks. The only thing wrong with this statement is that the review isn't generally positive, it's overwhelmingly positive. Myself, I'd say generally positive is a better description. By most objective standards, to be considered overwhelmingly positive a review would have to be very strong on its positives and contain a very small number of very minor negatives. If you read the review again, you'll see that it has a large number of (admittedly mostly fairly minor) negatives. I agree with Pogue's statement that if the Zune HD existed in a world in which there were no iPod Touch, it would be a fantastic device. However, in this universe the Touch has been around for quite some time before the Zune HD, and it overmatches the Zune HD in most kinds of functionality without having substantially worse hardware (if at all). In short, the ZHD is a nice product, not bad, but not great either. You'd have to have a fairly unusual and strict set of requirements to prefer it over the iPod Touch at this point. That said, as soon as someone gets a Zune HD, I'd be interested to hear their experiences with it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$
On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:18 PM, David K Watson wrote: Myself, I'd say generally positive is a better description. By most objective standards, to be considered overwhelmingly positive a review would have to be very strong on its positives and contain a very small number of very minor negatives. To call that a positive review is delusional. When a brand has become a sad joke a vendor has to do a lot more than sort of match the competition feature for feature. The only viable alternative is for M$ to jigger Windows to not work with iPods, but I think the day is past when M$ can use such a tactic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
