Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
Security isn't high on the list of concerns, cows out number people at least 5 to 1, the town does have a stop light and it works. I wasn't really concerned with being safe as much as not breaking the Internet for our hosts. The mom there is talking about getting a laptop/netbook eventually. Security when connected to the internet is always a concern. I have an acquaintance, who insisted that he could get by with WEP on his router, since he had trees for neighbors and not much else. He was shocked one day to see that his throughput had dropped drastically, since he was home alone. When he finally checked the router, he discovered that someone else was using his router to download a file using bit-torrent. Someone had broken his WEP protection and going to town. He never did figure out where the downloader was, but he's now a firm believer in WPA2 with a long pre-shared key. He also disables wireless whenever nobody in the house is using a laptop. I also note that computers without any firewall protection are vulnerable to all kinds of things, including trojans, folks accessing the files on the computer from let's say Russia, and other kinds of ills. The internet makes everyone live in the electronic equivalent of Tokyo even if no neighbors are apparently nearby. That's precisely why I suggested a router with relatively strong protection for usage with a DMZ if the modem/firewall provided can't be bridged easily and a router then put to use. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
Art Clemons Security isn't high on the list of concerns, cows out number people at least 5 to 1, the town does have a stop light and it works. I wasn't really concerned with being safe as much as not breaking the Internet for our hosts. The mom there is talking about getting a laptop/netbook eventually. Security when connected to the internet is always a concern. I didn't say it wasn't a concern, I did say that security came after not breaking things. After I made sure the internet still worked, _then_ I would worry the security issue. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly My reality check just bounced * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
Art Clemons Does any of that make sense? I understand that the local cable office does have a WAP version as well as a non-WAP version of the modem. One other approach when the cable company or other broadband ISP doesn't want to open up its firewall setup is to have a DMZ IP address which is assigned to your router. Set up the router to do its normal IP filtering, NAT and SPI functions, and you're just as safe as if you had the router connected to a dumb modem. This assumes of course that you use WPA2 with AES and a relatively long password/pre-shared-key. Security isn't high on the list of concerns, cows out number people at least 5 to 1, the town does have a stop light and it works. I wasn't really concerned with being safe as much as not breaking the Internet for our hosts. The mom there is talking about getting a laptop/netbook eventually. Most ISPs will detail how to setup a DMZ IP address or range for folks like gamers. Just remember to use the router and not your computer as the interface. I haven't talked to the ISP, I might do that eventually. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Art Clemons Does any of that make sense? I understand that the local cable office does have a WAP version as well as a non-WAP version of the modem. One other approach when the cable company or other broadband ISP doesn't want to open up its firewall setup is to have a DMZ IP address which is assigned to your router. Set up the router to do its normal IP filtering, NAT and SPI functions, and you're just as safe as if you had the router connected to a dumb modem. This assumes of course that you use WPA2 with AES and a relatively long password/pre-shared-key. Security isn't high on the list of concerns, cows out number people at least 5 to 1, the town does have a stop light and it works. I wasn't really concerned with being safe as much as not breaking the Internet for our hosts. The mom there is talking about getting a laptop/netbook eventually. Most ISPs will detail how to setup a DMZ IP address or range for folks like gamers. Just remember to use the router and not your computer as the interface. I haven't talked to the ISP, I might do that eventually. My experience has been that you can buy a modem to use instead of the often questionable ones from the cable company. Several cable workmen have seemed happy to see that I wasn't using the junk from the cable company. If you do switch modems someone will likely be in for a long conversation on the phone with the cable company. At Comcast at least, they apparently make this change difficult somehow. Different cable companies might do things differently but they should be able to use their own quality modem and router. Someone will have to call the company first. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
Does any of that make sense? I understand that the local cable office does have a WAP version as well as a non-WAP version of the modem. One other approach when the cable company or other broadband ISP doesn't want to open up its firewall setup is to have a DMZ IP address which is assigned to your router. Set up the router to do its normal IP filtering, NAT and SPI functions, and you're just as safe as if you had the router connected to a dumb modem. This assumes of course that you use WPA2 with AES and a relatively long password/pre-shared-key. Most ISPs will detail how to setup a DMZ IP address or range for folks like gamers. Just remember to use the router and not your computer as the interface. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
I was visiting my sister brother in-law in NY this past weekend for a baby shower (oh, the joys...). They do have cable (road runner). My niece, aka the new mom, says that as she understands it, if you disconnect the PC from the cable/modem to try and insert a router/WAP, things get screwed up. She wasn't sure why or how, I tried to talk to a sales droid at a Best Buy ~25 miles away (it's in the wilds of NY) and she seemed pretty clueless about the situation. Since I had no desire to cause anybody any problem, I was without email/newsgroup access for ~4 days... Does any of that make sense? I understand that the local cable office does have a WAP version as well as a non-WAP version of the modem. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Part-time musicians are semiconductors * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
On Aug 3, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: I was visiting my sister brother in-law in NY this past weekend for a baby shower (oh, the joys...). They do have cable (road runner). My niece, aka the new mom, says that as she understands it, if you disconnect the PC from the cable/modem to try and insert a router/WAP, things get screwed up. Most routers can be set to report the MAC address of your computer. That may do the trick. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
