Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
If I had to guess, warranty issues - internal tend to have longer warranties than the external. Matthew On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Why do internal drives cost more than external drives these days? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
Colsolidate on bigger drives. I see 1000 GB external drives are selling for less than $250. I see internal SATAs are around $280. Why do internal drives cost more than external drives these days? According to Belarc Advisor, I have about 1.3 terabytes of hard drive storage. Why so many drives is that my PC computer will accept only 3 internal hard drives (bays), and only two of these may be SATA. As my disk space ran out, I purchased additional external hard drives with either USB 2.0 or IEEE 1394 interfaces. Right now I am running out of disk space and thinking that either I have to clean older files or buy another large hard drive. I guess that your consolidation means to delete files. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
My backup problem may affect few today, but I think that it will become more common as hard drives expand their capacity and people use their computer in greater ways. At present, I think that very large SATA hard drives of 1 Terrabyte (does Windows XP support these?) or BluRay disks are the only options for large data size backups. Are there other options? You are very correct. Most of my clients hit the wall with DVD backup 5 to 10 years ago. The solution was to switch to external FireWire drives. A 20 GB drive then cost about $300. Today that $300 will buy 1000GB. These usually rotate daily and one of the daily drives rotates offsite. Today we have a few more choices like USB2 and eSATA, but the overall strategy is the same. For the first time in many years I'm revising this strategy to incorporate TimeMachine. This will greatly reduce the number of drives in rotation. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
Why will timemachine greatly reduce it? Mike On Feb 2, 2008 12:38 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My backup problem may affect few today, but I think that it will become more common as hard drives expand their capacity and people use their computer in greater ways. At present, I think that very large SATA hard drives of 1 Terrabyte (does Windows XP support these?) or BluRay disks are the only options for large data size backups. Are there other options? You are very correct. Most of my clients hit the wall with DVD backup 5 to 10 years ago. The solution was to switch to external FireWire drives. A 20 GB drive then cost about $300. Today that $300 will buy 1000GB. These usually rotate daily and one of the daily drives rotates offsite. Today we have a few more choices like USB2 and eSATA, but the overall strategy is the same. For the first time in many years I'm revising this strategy to incorporate TimeMachine. This will greatly reduce the number of drives in rotation. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
Why will timemachine greatly reduce it? Mac's TimeMachine uses a filesystem technique called Copy-on-Write (COW). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy-on-write Say you created a file 5 days ago and haven't touched it since. That means all the daily and hourly backup snapshots of that file have not changed for 5 days. In fact, using COW, all those snapshot copies are pointers to the original file (or the first backup copy in the second disk). If you change the file, the most recent pointer will become a real copy of the file before the write is made to the original. This way you can make lots of backup snapshots without consuming too much disk space. This is a neat idea and it has been around for many years. I've used a couple of network filesystems that used this idea to make backup snapshots which were then dumped to tape as nightly backups. Some SANs use this method to make multiple snapshots of the same data and offer Read-Only copies. What Apple has done is to make it easier to use it on a desktop OS. Plus, certain apps (iPhoto, Mail, etc) can recover files from within the application. Sun's new ZFS also offers the same multiple snapshots with COW, but without a cool GUI. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
Externals usually warranty around a year...internals as much as five. Mike On Feb 1, 2008 10:49 AM, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had to guess, warranty issues - internal tend to have longer warranties than the external. Matthew On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Why do internal drives cost more than external drives these days? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
External devices would take lots more abuse. Heck, just forgetting to properly disconnect, or losing power/connection, can cause total data loss. FWIW, I haven't seen this price disparity. Externals are always $30 or more for the case. Unless you count sale prices, in which case it may be overstock of older smaller drives pushing the low end. On Feb 1, 2008 5:21 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Externals usually warranty around a year...internals as much as five. Mike On Feb 1, 2008 10:49 AM, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had to guess, warranty issues - internal tend to have longer warranties than the external. Matthew On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Why do internal drives cost more than external drives these days? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
FWIW, I haven't seen this price disparity. Externals are always $30 or more for the case. Unless you count sale prices, in which case it may be overstock of older smaller drives pushing the low end. I was quoting prices on 1000 GB drives, not exactly older smaller drives pushing the low end. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
Warranties? Probably where it makes up for the difference. Mike On Feb 1, 2008 4:21 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I haven't seen this price disparity. Externals are always $30 or more for the case. Unless you count sale prices, in which case it may be overstock of older smaller drives pushing the low end. I was quoting prices on 1000 GB drives, not exactly older smaller drives pushing the low end. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
However, in my experience, this has never been the case with external drives, which a lot of his seem to be (I don't remember if this one was). This was a BIOS limitation only evident on EIDE internal drives. It depends on the disk controller that is in the case. You make a good point that the first thing to try is to move the drive to an external case whose disk controller is known to be working. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
I recommend going to grc.com and buying SpinRite - you can just download it and run it. You may well find that it recovers the drive for you completely. Without a general idea of what needs to be fixed it is not a good idea to run any repair utility. If it is a hardware problem, the data on the disk could be fine now and could get scrambled by the repair utility. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
Without a general idea of what needs to be fixed it is not a good idea to run any repair utility. If it is a hardware problem, the data on the disk could be fine now and could get scrambled by the repair utility. That happens not to be the case for SpinRite. Could be for other utilities. And what makes SpinRite so specially blessed? Can you elaborate? I use a utility on Mac disks that rebuilds drive indexes in RAM, never writing anything to the disk until its work can be tested and approved. Does SpinRite work like that? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
However, in my experience, this has never been the case with external drives, which a lot of his seem to be (I don't remember if this one was). This was a BIOS limitation only evident on EIDE internal drives. On Jan 26, 2008 10:03 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drive Z: thought it was 400 GB, but My Computer reports it as 200 GB. Writing data beyond 256GB could cause this. I have read about situations where high-capacity drives are installed on computers with disk controllers that do not have an address space wide enough to span the the disk's capacity. Everything is fine as long as you don't need to write to a part of the drive that needs the missing high address bits. When you finally get around to needing the last bits you have a problem when the drive starts to overwrite lower addresses because that high bit is not being communicated to the drive. This results in sudden data loss. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Suddenly a disk drive is not formatted in Windows X
My thought is that the connection or the box might be bad. I have had some that I needed to unplug and plug into a different port in order to get it to see them. USB is great, but it can be flaky when it wants to be. Stewart At 09:30 PM 1/26/2008, you wrote: However, in my experience, this has never been the case with external drives, which a lot of his seem to be (I don't remember if this one was). This was a BIOS limitation only evident on EIDE internal drives. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
