Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-29 Thread mike
It's available on windows, either as a free powertoy for xp, or you can
search for virtual desktop on download.com and come up with dozens.  It's
amazed me it's taken this long for apple to have this come out, it's been on
unix/linux for a decade?   It's been on windows for years for that matter
too.

Mike

On 10/26/07, Wayne Dernoncourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jordan
> > I think 10.4 was a big improvement over 10.3. From what
> > I've read so far, and I've looked in to it quite a bit,
> > there are no features of 10.5 that would motivate me to
> > get it. There are some neat new features and some
>   
>
> The one reason I'm getting it is Screens (correct name?
> ability to have multiple independent workspaces on one
> login?).  I have that on a Sun and sorely miss it on the
> Windows system at work.  I hope this implementation doesn't
> suck!  Everything else looks like a big yawn.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-27 Thread Jordan

That is a really nice and compelling feature.
For some people this will be valuable. But for those of us who don't 
generate critical or important data or files all day, it's not enough to 
merit a purchase. I might feel different in a few months or if I started 
having trouble.


Tom Piwowar wrote:
I think (after the long discussions we have had here about backups) the 
best feature may turn out to be TimeMachine. The default setting takes 
hourly (yes, hourly) snapshots of your files. It keeps the hourly 
snapshots for today. TimeMachine then automatically thins out the 
snapshots to daily for this week and then to weekly for this month. It 
keeps monthly snapshots around as long as you want. I think this is going 
to make a big difference in file security.


  




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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-27 Thread Tom Piwowar
>There are some neat new features and 
>some worthwhile improvements to the standard Apple programs that would 
>be useful, but I'm happy and comfortable doing things in ways that are 
>becoming old fashioned

I think (after the long discussions we have had here about backups) the 
best feature may turn out to be TimeMachine. The default setting takes 
hourly (yes, hourly) snapshots of your files. It keeps the hourly 
snapshots for today. TimeMachine then automatically thins out the 
snapshots to daily for this week and then to weekly for this month. It 
keeps monthly snapshots around as long as you want. I think this is going 
to make a big difference in file security.



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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-27 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
MicroCenter is offering X.5 for $109 with a $40 rebate until 11Nov.
That gets it down to $89.

On 10/26/07, gerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If 10.4 saved you 5 minutes a day, would it not be worth the $100 they want 
> for it?  or is your time that invaluable?
>
> 10.5 is only $109, including S&H.  seems like a decent value to me.  why buy 
> 10.4 for 50?  or do g-4's not run 10.5?  I'm new to macs, and am not allowed 
> to touch the thing i bought for my wife(other than to install more memory).
>
> At 02:48 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
> >I am hoping that the release of 10.5 will finally bring down the price of 
> >10.4 on eBay, so I can upgrade my 10.3.9 G4 machine. People are paying what 
> >I consider to be CRAZY prices for 10.4. I have set my price point at ~$50.
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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Roger D. Parish

At 3:29 PM -0400 10/26/07, gerald wrote:

If 10.4 saved you 5 minutes a day, would it not be worth the $100 
they want for it?  or is your time that invaluable?


I doubt it will save me any time. It WILL permit me to run Google 
Earth on that machine. Which will probably burn up time, rather than 
save it. :-)

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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Roger D. Parish

At 9:32 PM -0400 10/26/07, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:


Jordan

 I think 10.4 was a big improvement over 10.3. From what
 I've read so far, and I've looked in to it quite a bit,
 there are no features of 10.5 that would motivate me to
 get it. There are some neat new features and some

  

The one reason I'm getting it is Screens (correct name?
ability to have multiple independent workspaces on one
login?).  I have that on a Sun and sorely miss it on the
Windows system at work.  I hope this implementation doesn't
suck!  Everything else looks like a big yawn.


The feature is called "Spaces".
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Lovettsville, VA



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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
mike
> It's available on windows, either as a free powertoy for xp,
> or you can search for virtual desktop on download.com and
> come up with dozens.  It's amazed me it's taken this long
> for apple to have this come out, it's been on unix/linux
> for a decade?   It's been on windows for years for that
> matter too.

I've seen some of the implementations on Windows and the
implementations were poor.  The sessions didn't seem to be
real independent.  I wish I could remember more details of
what was wrong.

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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Jordan
> I think 10.4 was a big improvement over 10.3. From what
> I've read so far, and I've looked in to it quite a bit,
> there are no features of 10.5 that would motivate me to
> get it. There are some neat new features and some
  

The one reason I'm getting it is Screens (correct name?
ability to have multiple independent workspaces on one
login?).  I have that on a Sun and sorely miss it on the
Windows system at work.  I hope this implementation doesn't
suck!  Everything else looks like a big yawn.

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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Jordan
I think 10.4 was a big improvement over 10.3. From what I've read so 
far, and I've looked in to it quite a bit, there are no features of 10.5 
that would motivate me to get it. There are some neat new features and 
some worthwhile improvements to the standard Apple programs that would 
be useful, but I'm happy and comfortable doing things in ways that are 
becoming old fashioned, like putting things where they belong rather 
than having to do searches to look for them. I don't go for eye candy 
like the transparent Dock. That's just silly. I guess I'm getting old, 
because some of what is new in 10.5 strikes me as excessive visual 
stimulation for people with a shorter attention span that mine.
I do backups by hand also, and I don't like the files to be in a special 
format or readable by some special program. I did start using Carbon 
Copy Cloner recently and I like that a lot. Thank you Tom.


Jordan

mike wrote:

I've been reading that this is not a major release, I'm wondering what
denotes it as major for those mac users on the list thinking of getting it?

Mike

  




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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Stephen Brownfield
I often would skip a major upgrade.  Apple does it in such a way that 
you have no problems skipping a generation of the OS.  I would feel 
perfectly safe in going from 10.3.9 to 10.5.


Steve


Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA) wrote:

I have two computers running 10.3.9.  One is a ~6 yr old Titanium
PowerBook that is too slow for Leopard, 10.5.  So it will die with
10.3.9.  The other is a dual 2 GHz G5 desktop, currently running 10.3.9
that I will upgrade to 10.5 after I read about other people's experience
with 10.5 and G5 computers.  Other than wait a bit to hear other
people's experience and backup everything (easy, it has two disk
drives), any advice?  It has been a while since I jumped over a major OS
release!

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder




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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread gerald
If 10.4 saved you 5 minutes a day, would it not be worth the $100 they want for 
it?  or is your time that invaluable?

10.5 is only $109, including S&H.  seems like a decent value to me.  why buy 
10.4 for 50?  or do g-4's not run 10.5?  I'm new to macs, and am not allowed to 
touch the thing i bought for my wife(other than to install more memory).

At 02:48 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
>I am hoping that the release of 10.5 will finally bring down the price of 10.4 
>on eBay, so I can upgrade my 10.3.9 G4 machine. People are paying what I 
>consider to be CRAZY prices for 10.4. I have set my price point at ~$50.
>-- 
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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Roger D. Parish
I am hoping that the release of 10.5 will finally bring down the 
price of 10.4 on eBay, so I can upgrade my 10.3.9 G4 machine. People 
are paying what I consider to be CRAZY prices for 10.4. I have set my 
price point at ~$50.

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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
10.4.11 has not yet been released, but is imminent.  Last update for
10.4 (planned anyway).

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Is 10.4.11 for the dual Macs? I have the updater set to run
everyday  
and I'm only at 10.4.10 on my iMac G5. It's not a dual. Since I just  
got a new Powerbook I was able to order 10.5 for the price of  
shipping. After watching the movie on Apples website I'd say it is a  
major upgrade. Not as major as 9.x to 10, but still...



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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Jeff Miles
	Is 10.4.11 for the dual Macs? I have the updater set to run everyday  
and I'm only at 10.4.10 on my iMac G5. It's not a dual. Since I just  
got a new Powerbook I was able to order 10.5 for the price of  
shipping. After watching the movie on Apples website I'd say it is a  
major upgrade. Not as major as 9.x to 10, but still...


Jeff M


On Oct 26, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA) wrote:




Apple focuses on a few big new features along with many small
improvements in each "major" release.  The fix releases, 10.4.0  
through

10.4.11, for example are free updates to 10.4.




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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
10.5, according to the NYT tech writer, is an evolutionary, not
revolutionary upgrade.  About what Vista turned out compared to XP.
(Vista sales have peaked over the summer and are slowing.  Big yawn.) 

I guess a major release is what ever you crack it up to be.  Since Apple
has been bringing the new releases about every 12-18 months, they must
be more incremental.  By comparison, Microsoft waited so long between XP
and Vista and then dropped so many new features before launch, Vista was
in danger of dissipating.  

Apple focuses on a few big new features along with many small
improvements in each "major" release.  The fix releases, 10.4.0 through
10.4.11, for example are free updates to 10.4.

That said, I waited to buy a new upgrade from 10.3 to 10.5, skipping
10.4.  Now I am really looking forward to the double update, with every
improvement and new feature since 10.3!

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
I've been reading that this is not a major release, I'm wondering what
denotes it as major for those mac users on the list thinking of getting
it?



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Re: [CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread mike
I've been reading that this is not a major release, I'm wondering what
denotes it as major for those mac users on the list thinking of getting it?

Mike

On 10/26/07, Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have two computers running 10.3.9.  One is a ~6 yr old Titanium
> PowerBook that is too slow for Leopard, 10.5.  So it will die with
> 10.3.9.  The other is a dual 2 GHz G5 desktop, currently running 10.3.9
> that I will upgrade to 10.5 after I read about other people's experience
> with 10.5 and G5 computers.  Other than wait a bit to hear other
> people's experience and backup everything (easy, it has two disk
> drives), any advice?  It has been a while since I jumped over a major OS
> release!
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark Snyder
>
>
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[CGUYS] Update OS X 10.3.9 to 10.5?

2007-10-26 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
I have two computers running 10.3.9.  One is a ~6 yr old Titanium
PowerBook that is too slow for Leopard, 10.5.  So it will die with
10.3.9.  The other is a dual 2 GHz G5 desktop, currently running 10.3.9
that I will upgrade to 10.5 after I read about other people's experience
with 10.5 and G5 computers.  Other than wait a bit to hear other
people's experience and backup everything (easy, it has two disk
drives), any advice?  It has been a while since I jumped over a major OS
release!

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder



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