Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- XP Pro
I followed up on this statement. I contacted both students. One of the two, who I believe purchased a Lenovo, had considered a downgrade but found he got acceptable performance after removing everthing from the Startup folder (or Vista equivalent). So only one actually downgraded. I am pasting my inquiry and his response verbatim. The conclusion seems to be that if your license is at a high enough level to give you downgrade privileges, it doesn't matter how you obtain your copy of the product (which may answer Betty's question depending on the level of her Vista license): ***quote: It didn't cost me anything - I didn't have a XP Pro CD so what I had to do was slipstream a copy of windows xp from another computer and install it from that. That part was really frustrating, but with an XP Pro disk it'd be really easy. Activation was simple though, I just called up the number Microsoft gives and gave them my Vista product id. You should check for what downgrade rights your system has first, though. I had business which can be downgraded to Pro. -Chris On 8/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you do it? Did it cost extra? Thanks! --John Emmerling ***end quote: Too bad. I have an XP Pro CD I could have lent him =). Did they purchase XP, or did the laptop mfg do a free downgrade? This empirical evidence may contribute to the discussion: My son is starting freshman year at college. Two of his friends ordered new laptops through their Universities, which were delivered with Vista. Both students are Comp. Sci./Engineering majors. Both have since gotten downgrades. On 5/25/07, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: etc. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- XP Pro
So if you have access to an XP Pro CD and have at least Vista Business, you can downgrade by giving MS a call and they do something about the activation issue? This must mean Vista manages this process to replace/downgrade itself without a total wipe and reinstall otherwise you would need to have and use the XP pro license ID? Can anyone elaborate with some of the details of how this works? db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed up on this statement. I contacted both students. One of the two, who I believe purchased a Lenovo, had considered a downgrade but found he got acceptable performance after removing everthing from the Startup folder (or Vista equivalent). So only one actually downgraded. I am pasting my inquiry and his response verbatim. The conclusion seems to be that if your license is at a high enough level to give you downgrade privileges, it doesn't matter how you obtain your copy of the product (which may answer Betty's question depending on the level of her Vista license): ***quote: It didn't cost me anything - I didn't have a XP Pro CD so what I had to do was slipstream a copy of windows xp from another computer and install it from that. That part was really frustrating, but with an XP Pro disk it'd be really easy. Activation was simple though, I just called up the number Microsoft gives and gave them my Vista product id. You should check for what downgrade rights your system has first, though. I had business which can be downgraded to Pro. -Chris On 8/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you do it? Did it cost extra? Thanks! --John Emmerling ***end quote: Too bad. I have an XP Pro CD I could have lent him =). Did they purchase XP, or did the laptop mfg do a free downgrade? This empirical evidence may contribute to the discussion: My son is starting freshman year at college. Two of his friends ordered new laptops through their Universities, which were delivered with Vista. Both students are Comp. Sci./Engineering majors. Both have since gotten downgrades. On 5/25/07, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: etc. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Vista -- XP Pro
Any way to use a Dell XP Pro installer on a Compaq notebook? Thx Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- XP Pro
I don't know, what does your lawyer say? On 8/8/07, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any way to use a Dell XP Pro installer on a Compaq notebook? Thx Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Vista -- XP Pro
This empirical evidence may contribute to the discussion: My son is starting freshman year at college. Two of his friends ordered new laptops through their Universities, which were delivered with Vista. Both students are Comp. Sci./Engineering majors. Both have since gotten downgrades. My son didn't have this problem. He ordered through the University of Maryland, so his laptop came with XP Pro standard. He is in no hurry to upgrade. I doubt that any of the students who got downgrades did so simply to make a statement. --John Emmerling * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- XP Pro
I don't know, what does your lawyer say? On 8/8/07, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any way to use a Dell XP Pro installer on a Compaq notebook? Thx The Dell is gone. All that's left is the disk. Hmmm. That's odd. I can use the same installer on my Macs. The licensing dark forest is really a problem with Windows computers. I use both, but most problems are on the 3 PCs. If I don't have the original computer, am I completely forbidden to use it on a different computer? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- XP Pro
Did they purchase XP, or did the laptop mfg do a free downgrade? This empirical evidence may contribute to the discussion: My son is starting freshman year at college. Two of his friends ordered new laptops through their Universities, which were delivered with Vista. Both students are Comp. Sci./Engineering majors. Both have since gotten downgrades. My son didn't have this problem. He ordered through the University of Maryland, so his laptop came with XP Pro standard. He is in no hurry to upgrade. I doubt that any of the students who got downgrades did so simply to make a statement. --John Emmerling * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- XP Pro
If I don't have the original computer, am I completely forbidden to use it on a different computer? My reading of the MS EULA is that an OS that is bundled with a computer is only for use with that computer. If you own a retail version of the OS, that retail version can be installed on any computer you own, but only if you keep a ham sandwich withing 20 meters of the computer. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- XP Pro
Do the Vista OS media also have XP on them for downgrading purposes? Tom Piwowar wrote: If I don't have the original computer, am I completely forbidden to use it on a different computer? My reading of the MS EULA is that an OS that is bundled with a computer is only for use with that computer. If you own a retail version of the OS, that retail version can be installed on any computer you own, but only if you keep a ham sandwich withing 20 meters of the computer. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
