Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

2009-02-11 Thread Paul Meyer 
Except that there is no prosecution
in a civil suit. There is a plaintiff, someone
who thinks they need compensation or
some other sort of injuctive relief. No
one goes to jail or has a criminal record
from a civil trial.  Go bankrupt? Well yeah.



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From: Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

 http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html

Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an 
authority on law or computers.

Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be justified 
(emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the 
assertion.

Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are 
much more in favor of the prosecution.

 http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm

And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm

Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that you go someplace 
else?


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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

2009-02-11 Thread Tom Piwowar 
Except that there is no prosecution in a civil suit. There is a 
plaintiff, someone who thinks they need compensation or some other sort of 
injuctive relief. No one goes to jail or has a criminal record from a 
civil trial.  Go bankrupt? Well yeah.

So you are signing up to be our guarantor?
We need your pledge for at least $2M.


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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

2009-01-23 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) 
LOL! The first amendment is free speech and the 2nd is bearing arms.
So, you must be advocating the right to shooting one's mouth off?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this
issue.  
You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as
my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of
speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution.


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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

2009-01-22 Thread Tom Piwowar 
 http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html

Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an 
authority on law or computers.

Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be justified 
(emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the 
assertion.

Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are 
much more in favor of the prosecution.

 http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm

And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm

Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that you go someplace 
else?


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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

2009-01-22 Thread Jeff Miles 

Tom,

	While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue.  
You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as  
my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of  
speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution.
	A lot of people believe they don't have the money to fight such a  
fight. You don't need money, just backing. And there's plenty of that.  
So if the DMCA wants to take this all the way to the supreme court, I  
say go for it! We'll whomp their ass.



On Jan 22, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html


Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent,  
hardly an

authority on law or computers.

Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be  
justified

(emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the
assertion.

Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil  
suits are

much more in favor of the prosecution.


http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm


And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm

Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that you go  
someplace

else?


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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

2009-01-22 Thread Tom Piwowar 
While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue.  
You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as  
my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of  
speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution.

Most smart lawyers will advise you to do everything possible to avoid 
litigation. Litigation against scared people with deep pockets is 
especially to be avoided.


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