Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
I'm giving away 6 year old computers to staff Giving away these sad-sack computers so you won't get stuck with paying the $15 recycling fee. You are probably going to take a tax credit too. You are so unscrupulous. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
The only thing I noticed were the scattered and scrambled buttons. MS implemented that badly enough that I have no doubt some people were lost and needed help. Other than that, I can't imagine what you would need phone support for. -Original Message- Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. Is there any experience out there with the move from one version to the other? Good? Bad? or just Ugly? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
I permitted MS update to install IE 7, and I cannot get it to work. Since I don't use IE for my Web browsing, that isn't a problem for me, but it might be for other folks. I guess I might think about removing IE 7 and re-installing IE 6, if I should ever need to use IE. I prefer Firefox. Mike Daniel Else wrote: Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. Is there any experience out there with the move from one version to the other? Good? Bad? or just Ugly? Dan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Upgraded 3 computers last week without incidents. It seems to work ok, but my primary browser is Firefox and I only use IE as a backup or for Windows Update. Richard P. Daniel Else wrote: Microsoft is pushing its Internet Explorer 7 pretty hard and through touting free phone tech support for the change seems to be implying that the transition from 6 to 7 might not be transparent. Is there any experience out there with the move from one version to the other? Good? Bad? or just Ugly? Dan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Before I move to a new piece of software, I want to know what features it provides that I really need. Most of the time the old software works just fine, and the new software doesn't provide the one or two features that I would really like to see to improve my work. The new features are designed to make the program easier to use by a neophyte computer user, but for someone who has already learned the old interface for the program, the new interface is just something requiring a lot of time to learn -- time that isn't productive. You sound very old Fred. Your expectation that new software will not be as good as what it replaces would be a sad state of affairs, if it were true. Go over to Wikipedia and read their entry on IE 7. It will give you a long list of reasons why 7 is better. You can even start a new section about why it is not better and see what develops. That would be really interesting. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
At 09:59 AM 12/3/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: But the community can't move forward if brain-dead Windows users continue to cling to defective old IE 6. Brain-dead users like me cling to Windows 2000 (because it works, and because it supports the applications I use), which doesn't support IE7. So why didn't Microsoft port IE7 to Windows 2000? Then it would be easy (for me to try it). Most of Microsoft's customers are brain-dead by your (Tom Piowar's) standards. MS needs to cater to brain-dead customers. Sure, if I want to figure out the intricacies of VMWare, I can run Win2K in a virtual machine on WinXP/sp2 or Vista, and have both available, but that requires twice the hardware (twice the memory, at least). Fred Holmes * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
How much does the loading of IE7 speed up if you turn off your real-time virus scanner? At 11:50 AM 12/3/2007, Mike Sloane wrote: IE still takes forever to load, but it does seem to work OK. Mike * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
I would avoid 3rd-party toolbars with IE 7. IIRC, my wife had the Comcast toolbar, the Yahoo toolbar, and the Google toolbar all installed and IE7 was crashing. I don't know what you need any of these for. When I took these off, IE7 ran OK. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something that should be transparently invisible. When I borrow a friends car, do I have to go on an easter egg hunt to find the turn signal, brake, gas pedal,, steering wheel, or dashboard so I can pop down to the store to buy some groceries? It is not just about you, it is about the community. Using IE 6 is like borrowing a friend's car that had a big red inspection sticker on it that says rejected and your friend says it was something about the brakes. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
On Dec 3, 2007 3:44 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something that should be transparently invisible. It is not just about you, it is about the community. Using IE 6 is like borrowing a friend's car that had a big red inspection sticker on it that says rejected and your friend says it was something about the brakes. Let me put it this way. The consensus is that no one should care about IE 7 - use it or not, up to you. However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. The real issue is getting rid of any IE 6 use. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. Well okay. I can agree with that, but how come it has the most users? How can we make them stop? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Same reason most mac users use safari. It comes preinstalled. Mike On Dec 3, 2007 4:20 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. Well okay. I can agree with that, but how come it has the most users? How can we make them stop? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
I don't use it other than to download MS updates... I use firefox but am greatly annoyed every time I have to use it on some else computer and can't easily find the controls for what I want to do in their minimized to nothingness interface ... db Tom Piwowar wrote: Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something that should be transparently invisible. When I borrow a friends car, do I have to go on an easter egg hunt to find the turn signal, brake, gas pedal,, steering wheel, or dashboard so I can pop down to the store to buy some groceries? It is not just about you, it is about the community. Using IE 6 is like borrowing a friend's car that had a big red inspection sticker on it that says rejected and your friend says it was something about the brakes. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Upgrade to Vista! (Yes, that was a joke...) Firefox is showing that the slow and steady might not win the race, but it makes for a good place. That pays out too at the track. I'm giving away 6 year old computers to staff (the first batch I bought at my .org -- :::sigh::: -- that's another way to get rid of old computers and monitors), which run Windows 2000, relegating them to the IE 6 ghetto, but I make sure that they all have Firefox installed on them. OpenOffice too. -Original Message- However, please, please, please don't use IE 6. Broken piece of cr*p. Well okay. I can agree with that, but how come it has the most users? How can we make them stop? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS IE 7
Tom Piwowar Why should I have to get used to IE7. It's only a browser... something that should be transparently invisible. snip It is not just about you, it is about the community. Using IE 6 is like borrowing a friend's car that had a big red inspection sticker on it that says rejected and your friend says it was something about the brakes. Using standards lets people with some disabilities use some websites. Using all kinds of fancy IE only features may make those sites invisible to others not so fortunate. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly People who throw kisses are hopelessly lazy * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
