Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: REALLY??? Does that mean I could get an iPhone and find someone to unlock it and put my chip in it for $49??? Uh Oh! ... Just realized ... I guess as it stands now I would have to contractually pay ATT/Apple until my 2 yr. contract ran out anyway. And I would have to buy a T-Mobile data plan too. That would be $39. $49 + $39 = $90 which is a lot better than ATT's $130 ... but the ATT contract is the killer for now. I will have to wait until Apple sells the iPhone to the other carriers. I did a quick google last night for this and it appears they use different kinds of 3g networks. The older iPhones or a 3g with the 3g turned off can be made to work. I think means it is only using the EDGE network. Anyone know when that will be? When Steve tells us so. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:48 PM, db wrote: T-Mobile does not have roll over minutes so $45 is for 1000 mins / mo ... use them or lose them. 1000 minutes/month. That would require that I spend around 4 per cent of my waking hours every single day yacking on the cell phone. Heck, I'm no teenager. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
For those who do support by phone, this isn't anything. An hour a day in a ten hour workday spent on the phone is 1200 minutes a month. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:35 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:48 PM, db wrote: T-Mobile does not have roll over minutes so $45 is for 1000 mins /mo ... use them or lose them. 1000 minutes/month. That would require that I spend around 4 per cent of my waking hours every single day yacking on the cell phone. Heck, I'm no teenager. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Correction, the samsung moment has an 800mhz CPU, one of the fastest on the market be it iphone, blackberry or android. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: That was all on my phone, an HTC Hero. The moto droid can do the same, all the android phones are similiar hardware except for the moto droid having a better screen and the samsung moment having 8 gigs of built in memory. There are something on the order of 100,000 apps for iphone, I think at last count 20,000 were either tip calculators or flashlight apps. Tongue in cheek of course...there are thousands of android apps, and I can't say I've gone looking for an app and not found something suitable. So far so good. I broke my foot in four places a few weeks ago, so I've gotten to know my couch far better then it or I ever hoped. That said I have spent a lot of time on my semi new phone putting it to the test. As far as if I multitask well...you did see i was on IRC right? Not exactly a brain taxer...same with twitter. Both are more time wasters, leftovers from being on the net so long. It's a nice distraction while I keep my foot up, and even nicer I don't need to sign out of twitter, IM or IRC and just play around on whatever I want keeping them all open while also looking at an occasional email or engadget page. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:33 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: That is the kind of answer I've been looking for, that I haven't seen at all anywhere else. Whatever works for you, fine. You make a good case for your phone. (Was all that on your phone, or was it at your computer and you are giving an example of what you'd like your phone to do?) However, do you know that the Droid can do all that now or at least will be able to do that if the right apps are made for it? If so, then there is definitely a place for it at the smartphone table. On a side note, what are you, a hyperactive teenager? You sound like one seriously distracted dude, dude, if that is representative of more than a tiny fraction of your day. Live your life however you want, but I hope that you know that there's lots of cognitive science which says that kind of multitasking seriously impairs your critical thinking, memory and mood. Science also says that no one does multitasking anywhere nearly as well as they think that they do. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moto droid by Andy ihnatko In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the other app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be tiresome, I've done it. I like my little cell phone world I can create on a phone I can multitask on, do I *need* it? Of course not. But combine that advantage on a network that is MUCH cheaper and I'm very satisfied with my choice knowing I've lost some things and gained some things. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:38 PM, mike wrote: I read carefully your uninformed bullshit. You cry someone misunderstands what you say just when you know they've got it exactly, stick and move, never admit you are wrong... Precisely my point. Asked to present facts, Mike responds with a long incoherent rant. Q.E.D. I me really hoping that Android is a success. Apple needs the competition and Google is known for doing good work. However I do think Verizon's ads are off the mark and anybody posting here about the Driod's super powers before the product even shipped was just being silly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I responded, in detail. Try reading the posts. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:38 PM, mike wrote: I read carefully your uninformed bullshit. You cry someone misunderstands what you say just when you know they've got it exactly, stick and move, never admit you are wrong... Precisely my point. Asked to present facts, Mike responds with a long incoherent rant. Q.E.D. I me really hoping that Android is a success. Apple needs the competition and Google is known for doing good work. However I do think Verizon's ads are off the mark and anybody posting here about the Driod's super powers before the product even shipped was just being silly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:43 PM, mike wrote: For those who do support by phone, this isn't anything. An hour a day in a ten hour workday spent on the phone is 1200 minutes a month. I do Mac support. Don't need that many minutes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
1000 mins/ mo. That's about 1/2 hr a day on the cell phone... db tjpa wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:48 PM, db wrote: T-Mobile does not have roll over minutes so $45 is for 1000 mins /mo ... use them or lose them. 1000 minutes/month. That would require that I spend around 4 per cent of my waking hours every single day yacking on the cell phone. Heck, I'm no teenager. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I believe that after a given period of time they are required to give you an unlock code to allow you open your phone up for any service provider that fits. (In this case GSM) you can then subscribe to a service and put in the SIM card. I think that you should be able to use any hardware present service within the phone without a problem. ATT and TMo use different frequencies for 3G. Euro iPhone might work on Tmo 3G, but US iPhone won't. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Both the unlocking and jailbreaking are done with software? Depends on the phone. Some phones need a special SIM to unlock, others must be connected by cable to a PC with bluetooth turned off. Some phones all you need is an unlock code which is calculated using the IMEI, model number, carrier and an algorithm which generates the code [easier than it sounds]. Jailbreaking is done with software like quickpwn. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I decided to take a peek at Mr. Ihnatko's blog. From the home page, it's apparent that his career depends on the continued success of the iPhone. That discredits him sufficiently in my mind. Furthermore, he can't write in proper English: Ah: but my iPhone spends a lot of time in it’s car cradle. It’s my music player and my GPS. Finally, he is clearly stupid as a rock, he completely misunderstands the Droid's ability to take photos of itself. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:34 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:52 AM, mike wrote: Good review/comparison of the new moto droid with the usual comparisons to the iPhone. It’s a long list and the basic point is that the Android OS shows severe signs of a product team whose motto is “It works; let’s ship it and go home.” Okay? Let’s put that on record. As a user, I think the iPhone is vastly superior. End of story * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Some people need or want different things from their cell phone. For me the killer feature is multitasking, this makes up for any issues their might be For me, the killer feature of a cell phone is being able to make and receive phone calls. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Indeed this is a given, but not always with some cell phones. In several reviews including the last moto droid one, the poor call quality of the iPhone was brought up again. This has always been the weakest part of the iPhone, it does most other things very well...calling not so good. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Some people need or want different things from their cell phone. For me the killer feature is multitasking, this makes up for any issues their might be For me, the killer feature of a cell phone is being able to make and receive phone calls. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:44 AM, mike wrote: Indeed this is a given, but not always with some cell phones. In several reviews including the last moto droid one, the poor call quality of the iPhone was brought up again. This has always been the weakest part of the iPhone, it does most other things very well...calling not so good. Lots of people were telling me I was an idiot for signing up with t- Mobile because they had terrible coverage. But so far the only place I've not been able to use my cell phone is underground in the Metro. This month they started wiring the Metro so that is being fixed too. It all depends on how you use the device. I would have been an idiot if I had paid for all kinds of service that I did not need. I'm waiting for the iTablet with great anticipation. Perhaps it will make smart phones obsolete? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 12:17 AM, mike wrote: Some people need or want different things from their cell phone. For me the killer feature is multitasking, I don't believe you. Multi-tasking makes no sense on such a tiny screen. Just try to convince us that you are going to watch a streaming video while simultaneously checking your email on such a tiny screen. Just bs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Yes of course. You know better then everyone else what they need. Oh wait that's not right, yer just an arrogant snob who thinks he knows better. I have multiple apps open all the time. Maybe you need to work on being able to do more at one time like others are already doing. On Nov 7, 2009 12:41 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 12:17 AM, mike wrote: Some people need or want different things from their ce... I don't believe you. Multi-tasking makes no sense on such a tiny screen. Just try to convince us that you are going to watch a streaming video while simultaneously checking your email on such a tiny screen. Just bs. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
What kind of multitasking is it that you want to do on a small handheld that is so crucial? I don't have have an iPhone, but I do have an iPod Touch, and I can surf the web or compose an email, etc. while listening to music, and you can do more than one thing at a time of this sort with the iPhone, too. On those things where you can't do two things at a time, like using turn directions and answer a call, you pause the app long enough to answer the call, then you resume the app at the point where you left off, running the app and taking the call at the same time. Think also of some of the multitasking limitations specific to the Droid (though not to the android platform in particular). Because of Verizon's CDMA network limitations, the Droid won't be able to do voice and data apps at the same time, and I am not really clear on whether or not it can have more than one data stream at the same time (anyone know?). So what kind of multitasking is it that the Droid can do that the iPhone's limited multitasking can't do that you think might be really compelling? Date:Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:17:33 -0700 From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moto droid by Andy ihnatko Some people need or want different things from their cell phone. For me the killer feature is multitasking, this makes up for any issues their might be. Android isn't just good enough, its a solid choice. The iPhone lacks features and so does the android platform, I just find android to be lacking less for what I do. On Nov 6, 2009 8:41 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:52 AM, mike wrote: Good review/comparison of the new moto droid with the u... It=92s a long list and the basic point is that the Android OS shows severe signs of a product team whose motto is =93It works; let=92s ship it and go home.=94 Okay? Let=92s put that on record. As a user, I think the iPhone is vastly superior. End of story * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). They will offer you that if you are a long time customer and you ask to cancel and / or you just plain ask for it. Made me postpone switching to iPhone that would have cost me $130 / for unlimited mins. Which is why T-Mobile is doing it. And when T-mobile finally gets a good smartphone / iPhone, maybe I can upgrade and keep the inexpensive unlimited minutes too... db tjpa wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:44 AM, mike wrote: Indeed this is a given, but not always with some cell phones. In several reviews including the last moto droid one, the poor call quality of the iPhone was brought up again. This has always been the weakest part of the iPhone, it does most other things very well...calling not so good. Lots of people were telling me I was an idiot for signing up with t-Mobile because they had terrible coverage. But so far the only place I've not been able to use my cell phone is underground in the Metro. This month they started wiring the Metro so that is being fixed too. It all depends on how you use the device. I would have been an idiot if I had paid for all kinds of service that I did not need. I'm waiting for the iTablet with great anticipation. Perhaps it will make smart phones obsolete? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Make no mistake, none of it is crucial. But If I can get a phone that lets me do it, why would I not get that phone? I'm not one of those users as Tom is who assumes whatever *I* do is all that anyone ever has to do and anything else is shite. I know different people have different needs, different ways of getting things done, different goals and different hobbies. I don't assume when someone makes a choice different from mine, that they are stupid and in need of medication, I assume they know what is best for them and I hope they've done their homework before deciding. In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the other app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be tiresome, I've done it. I like my little cell phone world I can create on a phone I can multitask on, do I *need* it? Of course not. But combine that advantage on a network that is MUCH cheaper and I'm very satisfied with my choice knowing I've lost some things and gained some things. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: What kind of multitasking is it that you want to do on a small handheld that is so crucial? I don't have have an iPhone, but I do have an iPod Touch, and I can surf the web or compose an email, etc. while listening to music, and you can do more than one thing at a time of this sort with the iPhone, too. On those things where you can't do two things at a time, like using turn directions and answer a call, you pause the app long enough to answer the call, then you resume the app at the point where you left off, running the app and taking the call at the same time. Think also of some of the multitasking limitations specific to the Droid (though not to the android platform in particular). Because of Verizon's CDMA network limitations, the Droid won't be able to do voice and data apps at the same time, and I am not really clear on whether or not it can have more than one data stream at the same time (anyone know?). So what kind of multitasking is it that the Droid can do that the iPhone's limited multitasking can't do that you think might be really compelling? Date:Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:17:33 -0700 From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moto droid by Andy ihnatko Some people need or want different things from their cell phone. For me the killer feature is multitasking, this makes up for any issues their might be. Android isn't just good enough, its a solid choice. The iPhone lacks features and so does the android platform, I just find android to be lacking less for what I do. On Nov 6, 2009 8:41 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:52 AM, mike wrote: Good review/comparison of the new moto droid with the u... It=92s a long list and the basic point is that the Android OS shows severe signs of a product team whose motto is =93It works; let=92s ship it and go home.=94 Okay? Let=92s put that on record. As a user, I think the iPhone is vastly superior. End of story * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:04 PM, mike wrote: Yes of course. You know better then everyone else what they need. Oh wait that's not right, yer just an arrogant snob who thinks he knows better No. You just said something silly and I called you on it. Your failure to respond with anything factual is duly noted Q.E.D. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:02 PM, David K Watson wrote: What kind of multitasking is it that you want to do on a small handheld that is so crucial? I don't have have an iPhone, but I do have an iPod Touch, and I can surf the web or compose an email, etc. while listening to music, and you can do more than one thing at a time of this sort with the iPhone, too. I'm not as advanced as you. I'm still using my Palm Tungsten. I use it heavily for all my daily scheduling and storing all the key information on my clients, work notes, and just about anything else that I need to recall. It only runs a single task, but it quickly switches from task to task. With no annoying delay it really does not matter if it is multitasking or not. Multitasking is just geek speak. How the device functions is what matters. Can we have some examples to prove me wrong? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:39 PM, mike wrote: In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the other app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be tiresome, On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:39 PM, mike wrote: Make no mistake, none of it is crucial. But If I can get a phone that lets me do it, why would I not get that phone? I'm not one of those users as Tom is who assumes whatever *I* do is all that anyone ever has to do and anything else is shite. Well this explains a lot. You have so much stuff running at the same time that you can't focus. You impute things into my posts that are not there. You are not reading carefully. I guess this is the email equivalent of distracted driving. Or maybe aggressive distracted driving. One thing I think I missed. On which cell phone are you answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done? I did not know that there was anything like this available. Sorry if you told us this before and I missed it. What cell phone should I be looking at? Still based on your past performance I don't think this is a good idea. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:26 PM, db wrote: Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). That's good. I'm paying $100 for 1150 minutes. Will the 1000 minutes for $45 last me the whole year and rollover (like mine do) or do they expire more quickly? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Pogue says... Still, the Droid’s multitasking pays off in two situations: when you want to listen to Internet radio while you work in other apps, and when you’re switching between programs a lot. Since they’re already open, you don’t have to wait for them to start up again with each switch. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/technology/personaltech/05pogue.html The Motorola Droid, Latest Entry in the ‘App Phone’ Races I ask Pogue: 1) Is it really a good idea to listen to Internet radio on a cell phone? That's quite an expensive radio. 2) How many apps can I expect to have running at once? Even though I have multi-GB of RAM in my desktop computer I still see a noticeable delay what I have too much open at once and the computer has to page in memory for an application before I can use it. So even on my multi- tasking desktop that are definite limits to multi-tasking. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:26 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). They will offer you that if you are a long time customer and you ask to cancel and / or you just plain ask for it. Made me postpone switching to iPhone that would have cost me $130 / for unlimited mins. Which is why T-Mobile is doing it. And when T-mobile finally gets a good smartphone / iPhone, maybe I can upgrade and keep the inexpensive unlimited minutes too... I believe that iPhones can take a Tmobile SIM chip and work just fine. This deal is for all those early iPhone adopters who are coming off the ATT contracts soon. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:47 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:26 PM, db wrote: Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). That's good. I'm paying $100 for 1150 minutes. Will the 1000 minutes for $45 last me the whole year and rollover (like mine do) or do they expire more quickly? But you use a burner. If you wanted an iPhone then you would need to have a plan more like this. FWIW a burner on a good cell network and an iTouch is probably a better deal than the iPhone on ATT. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: I decided to take a peek at Mr. Ihnatko's blog. From the home page, it's apparent that his career depends on the continued success of the iPhone. That discredits him sufficiently in my mind. What he really liked the Droid. That was nearly a glowing review. He just said he wasn't going to switch. There is an iPhone ap lock in cost. The more Aps you own the less likely you are to move on, Furthermore, he can't write in proper English: Ah: but my iPhone spends a lot of time in it’s car cradle. It’s my music player and my GPS. Andy reads like he speaks. It's a style. Finally, he is clearly stupid as a rock, he completely misunderstands the Droid's ability to take photos of itself. Does anyone really need a narsicistic phone? -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I responded in kind to your crap. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:04 PM, mike wrote: Yes of course. You know better then everyone else what they need. Oh wait that's not right, yer just an arrogant snob who thinks he knows better No. You just said something silly and I called you on it. Your failure to respond with anything factual is duly noted Q.E.D. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I read carefully your uninformed bullshit. You cry someone misunderstands what you say just when you know they've got it exactly, stick and move, never admit you are wrong. You tell me I'm lying and I'm the guy who needs to explain? You have no clue what you are talking about clearly, you've run android and the moto droid over the coals and you have not one clue what it can or can't do. Your opinions are worthless because they aren't based on fact, just some warped view you hold regardless of truth. I truly feel sorry for any clients you have asking for advice from you. It's like having a rude obnoxious Cliff Claven for a consultant. Does it matter what phone I'm running? You'll just say you don't believe me again and of course have zero to back it up. Try something new, go out and learn something about the subject, get back to us when you've educated yourself. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:42 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:39 PM, mike wrote: In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the other app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be tiresome, On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:39 PM, mike wrote: Make no mistake, none of it is crucial. But If I can get a phone that lets me do it, why would I not get that phone? I'm not one of those users as Tom is who assumes whatever *I* do is all that anyone ever has to do and anything else is shite. Well this explains a lot. You have so much stuff running at the same time that you can't focus. You impute things into my posts that are not there. You are not reading carefully. I guess this is the email equivalent of distracted driving. Or maybe aggressive distracted driving. One thing I think I missed. On which cell phone are you answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done? I did not know that there was anything like this available. Sorry if you told us this before and I missed it. What cell phone should I be looking at? Still based on your past performance I don't think this is a good idea. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
It can take the SIM but I don't think you get every bell and whistle...perhaps not even 3g? On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:26 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). They will offer you that if you are a long time customer and you ask to cancel and / or you just plain ask for it. Made me postpone switching to iPhone that would have cost me $130 / for unlimited mins. Which is why T-Mobile is doing it. And when T-mobile finally gets a good smartphone / iPhone, maybe I can upgrade and keep the inexpensive unlimited minutes too... I believe that iPhones can take a Tmobile SIM chip and work just fine. This deal is for all those early iPhone adopters who are coming off the ATT contracts soon. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I believe that after a given period of time they are required to give you an unlock code to allow you open your phone up for any service provider that fits. (In this case GSM) you can then subscribe to a service and put in the SIM card. I think that you should be able to use any hardware present service within the phone without a problem. I am not a cell phone expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Stewart At 07:38 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote: It can take the SIM but I don't think you get every bell and whistle...perhaps not even 3g? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
T-Mobile does not have roll over minutes so $45 is for 1000 mins /mo ... use them or lose them. If you are not already a T-Mobile customer, I am not sure that you can get the new unlimited mins for $49 Loyalty plan ... but it wouldn't hurt to ask. It's by far the best minutes deal out there I think. If T-Mobile is willing to do that to keep customers in the face of the ATT iPhone surge, why wouldn't they give that to a new customer who would switch? db tjpa wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:26 PM, db wrote: Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). That's good. I'm paying $100 for 1150 minutes. Will the 1000 minutes for $45 last me the whole year and rollover (like mine do) or do they expire more quickly? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
REALLY??? Does that mean I could get an iPhone and find someone to unlock it and put my chip in it for $49??? Uh Oh! ... Just realized ... I guess as it stands now I would have to contractually pay ATT/Apple until my 2 yr. contract ran out anyway. And I would have to buy a T-Mobile data plan too. That would be $39. $49 + $39 = $90 which is a lot better than ATT's $130 ... but the ATT contract is the killer for now. I will have to wait until Apple sells the iPhone to the other carriers. Anyone know when that will be? db John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:26 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). They will offer you that if you are a long time customer and you ask to cancel and / or you just plain ask for it. Made me postpone switching to iPhone that would have cost me $130 / for unlimited mins. Which is why T-Mobile is doing it. And when T-mobile finally gets a good smartphone / iPhone, maybe I can upgrade and keep the inexpensive unlimited minutes too... I believe that iPhones can take a Tmobile SIM chip and work just fine. This deal is for all those early iPhone adopters who are coming off the ATT contracts soon. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. I just read an article about a an Iphone/Worldphone possibly 3rd qtr 2010. Stewart At 07:59 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote: REALLY??? Does that mean I could get an iPhone and find someone to unlock it and put my chip in it for $49??? Uh Oh! ... Just realized ... I guess as it stands now I would have to contractually pay ATT/Apple until my 2 yr. contract ran out anyway. And I would have to buy a T-Mobile data plan too. That would be $39. $49 + $39 = $90 which is a lot better than ATT's $130 ... but the ATT contract is the killer for now. I will have to wait until Apple sells the iPhone to the other carriers. Anyone know when that will be? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. I just read an article about a an Iphone/Worldphone possibly 3rd qtr 2010. Stewart At 07:59 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote: REALLY??? Does that mean I could get an iPhone and find someone to unlock it and put my chip in it for $49??? Uh Oh! ... Just realized ... I guess as it stands now I would have to contractually pay ATT/Apple until my 2 yr. contract ran out anyway. And I would have to buy a T-Mobile data plan too. That would be $39. $49 + $39 = $90 which is a lot better than ATT's $130 ... but the ATT contract is the killer for now. I will have to wait until Apple sells the iPhone to the other carriers. Anyone know when that will be? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
There is software out there that unlocks and others that jailbreak. On Nov 7, 2009 7:57 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
What's the difference between unlocking and jailbreak? And how could they have done that to the phones that are advertised as such but still in their boxes shrink wrapped? db mike wrote: There is software out there that unlocks and others that jailbreak. On Nov 7, 2009 7:57 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Unlocking means you can then stick a sim in the phone from another carrier and it will take it. I had an ATT tilt that they gave me the unlock code for, put my tmobile sim in and everything worked. Jailbreaking allows you to run unofficial code on the iphone and using third party app installers like cydia you can install apps that aren't approved by the app store. Jailbreaking lets you do a little more customization to the home screen than Apple allows like putting more icons on the home screen, customizing the background etc. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:25 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: What's the difference between unlocking and jailbreak? And how could they have done that to the phones that are advertised as such but still in their boxes shrink wrapped? db mike wrote: There is software out there that unlocks and others that jailbreak. On Nov 7, 2009 7:57 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
That is the kind of answer I've been looking for, that I haven't seen at all anywhere else. Whatever works for you, fine. You make a good case for your phone. (Was all that on your phone, or was it at your computer and you are giving an example of what you'd like your phone to do?) However, do you know that the Droid can do all that now or at least will be able to do that if the right apps are made for it? If so, then there is definitely a place for it at the smartphone table. On a side note, what are you, a hyperactive teenager? You sound like one seriously distracted dude, dude, if that is representative of more than a tiny fraction of your day. Live your life however you want, but I hope that you know that there's lots of cognitive science which says that kind of multitasking seriously impairs your critical thinking, memory and mood. Science also says that no one does multitasking anywhere nearly as well as they think that they do. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moto droid by Andy ihnatko In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the other app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be tiresome, I've done it. I like my little cell phone world I can create on a phone I can multitask on, do I *need* it? Of course not. But combine that advantage on a network that is MUCH cheaper and I'm very satisfied with my choice knowing I've lost some things and gained some things. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Shrink wrap does not mean much. You can buy the packaging material and rewrap an item. If it has been jailbreaked etc. it has been opened. Stewart At 09:25 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote: And how could they have done that to the phones that are advertised as such but still in their boxes shrink wrapped? db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Both the unlocking and jailbreaking are done with software? What's a tilt? db mike wrote: Unlocking means you can then stick a sim in the phone from another carrier and it will take it. I had an ATT tilt that they gave me the unlock code for, put my tmobile sim in and everything worked. Jailbreaking allows you to run unofficial code on the iphone and using third party app installers like cydia you can install apps that aren't approved by the app store. Jailbreaking lets you do a little more customization to the home screen than Apple allows like putting more icons on the home screen, customizing the background etc. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:25 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: What's the difference between unlocking and jailbreak? And how could they have done that to the phones that are advertised as such but still in their boxes shrink wrapped? db mike wrote: There is software out there that unlocks and others that jailbreak. On Nov 7, 2009 7:57 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
That was all on my phone, an HTC Hero. The moto droid can do the same, all the android phones are similiar hardware except for the moto droid having a better screen and the samsung moment having 8 gigs of built in memory. There are something on the order of 100,000 apps for iphone, I think at last count 20,000 were either tip calculators or flashlight apps. Tongue in cheek of course...there are thousands of android apps, and I can't say I've gone looking for an app and not found something suitable. So far so good. I broke my foot in four places a few weeks ago, so I've gotten to know my couch far better then it or I ever hoped. That said I have spent a lot of time on my semi new phone putting it to the test. As far as if I multitask well...you did see i was on IRC right? Not exactly a brain taxer...same with twitter. Both are more time wasters, leftovers from being on the net so long. It's a nice distraction while I keep my foot up, and even nicer I don't need to sign out of twitter, IM or IRC and just play around on whatever I want keeping them all open while also looking at an occasional email or engadget page. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:33 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: That is the kind of answer I've been looking for, that I haven't seen at all anywhere else. Whatever works for you, fine. You make a good case for your phone. (Was all that on your phone, or was it at your computer and you are giving an example of what you'd like your phone to do?) However, do you know that the Droid can do all that now or at least will be able to do that if the right apps are made for it? If so, then there is definitely a place for it at the smartphone table. On a side note, what are you, a hyperactive teenager? You sound like one seriously distracted dude, dude, if that is representative of more than a tiny fraction of your day. Live your life however you want, but I hope that you know that there's lots of cognitive science which says that kind of multitasking seriously impairs your critical thinking, memory and mood. Science also says that no one does multitasking anywhere nearly as well as they think that they do. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moto droid by Andy ihnatko In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the other app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be tiresome, I've done it. I like my little cell phone world I can create on a phone I can multitask on, do I *need* it? Of course not. But combine that advantage on a network that is MUCH cheaper and I'm very satisfied with my choice knowing I've lost some things and gained some things. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
