Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
O On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Steve wrote: To follow this suggestion would increase the incentive to put even more people in prison. We are already very close to having the highest percentage of population in prison as it is. I thought this was supposed to be the land of the free? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * To put it straight we have not been the Land of the Free for decades. We have become the Land of the Regulated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: And if keeping these jobs in America is to expensive for a business, why not make it a prison job. We've got the worlds largest live in work force. To follow this suggestion would increase the incentive to put even more people in prison. We are already very close to having the highest percentage of population in prison as it is. I thought this was supposed to be the land of the free? Read Larry Niven's Known Space series. He had the death penalty all the way down to parking tickets to fill the organ banks. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
Bill Wajert wrote: To put it straight we have not been the Land of the Free for decades. We have become the Land of the Regulated. We've had 8 years, really many more since it started before Reagan, of tearing down regulations. It doesn't work.(like we didn't already know that) Look where we are now. We need freedom for people, not freedom of corporations to take advantage of people. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
This isn't logical on it's face, this says that our useless congress and senate have spent decades unmaking laws...we know this to not be true. There are regulations in the thousands more then there were years ago. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Bill Wajert wrote: To put it straight we have not been the Land of the Free for decades. We have become the Land of the Regulated. We've had 8 years, really many more since it started before Reagan, of tearing down regulations. It doesn't work.(like we didn't already know that) Look where we are now. We need freedom for people, not freedom of corporations to take advantage of people. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:40 AM Sep 1, Jordan wrote: We've had 8 years, really many more since it started before Reagan, of tearing down regulations. It doesn't work.(like we didn't already know that) Look where we are now. We need freedom for people, not freedom of corporations to take advantage of people. Criminals usually think they are in the right and it is the cops who have it all wrong. Just look at Dick Cheney's latest pronouncements. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Oddly MFB's have the same psychological issue. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:12 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:40 AM Sep 1, Jordan wrote: We've had 8 years, really many more since it started before Reagan, of tearing down regulations. It doesn't work.(like we didn't already know that) Look where we are now. We need freedom for people, not freedom of corporations to take advantage of people. Criminals usually think they are in the right and it is the cops who have it all wrong. Just look at Dick Cheney's latest pronouncements. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
This is what Congress is for; it will take federal law to change this, at least for how we process discarded electronics in the US. If concerned, please contact your representative and senators. Tell them explicitly what you expect in federal law. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Hello all: Last night 60 Minutes aired a disturbing piece on what happens to some of the computers we have been bringing to recycling centers. Without repeating the name of the particular recycling/distrubtion company, the reporter tracked the shipping container that was filled with recycled computers all the way to Hong Kong. The container in question was refused at the port, but apparently others have traveled to a province outside of Hong Kong where seemingly millions of old monitors and computers are being stripped of their precious metals (Lead, Coltan, Gold, etc...) by hand. The province where this is occurring supposedly has the highest concentration of toxic materials in the world. So a question to ask is: should it be our concern? Should we rely on the free market to address this issue? If so, how long would it take? If the so-called bleeding heart liberal media journalists had not made this discovery (assuming people include 60 Minutes to be in this category), would the free market correct what is probably a devastating multi-generational environmental hazard? Meanwhile, if you are on the side that would rather act before the free market can respond, how can we find out whether our computers are being disposed of in the ecologically responsible manner that we expect when we drop them off? Thanks, Arnold * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Arnold Kee wrote: Should we rely on the free market to address this issue? Why would you expect the free market to ever address such an issue? Palming off our pollutants on a distant part of the world is good business. We get to rid ourselves of the dangerous junk and somebody else gets to do the dying -- looks like a good deal for us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
I think this should become the new green industry we develop here in America. I am sure enough material can be safely reclaimed from this old electronics hardware that it can then be recycled back into the industry. When my dad worked for ATT we helped recycle old phones ringers etc. to be cleaned and reused in manufacturing phones. It was actually one of my summer jobs for JA (Remember Junior Achievement?) Instead of shipping it overseas where lo tech meets high tech. Leave it here where High Tech can take care of it. Stewart At 05:42 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote: On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Arnold Kee wrote: Should we rely on the free market to address this issue? Why would you expect the free market to ever address such an issue? Palming off our pollutants on a distant part of the world is good business. We get to rid ourselves of the dangerous junk and somebody else gets to do the dying -- looks like a good deal for us. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:42 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Why would you expect the free market to ever address such an issue? Palming off our pollutants on a distant part of the world is good business. We get to rid ourselves of the dangerous junk and somebody else gets to do the dying -- looks like a good deal for us. I see that you have managed to get hold of the right-wingers playbook. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
And if keeping these jobs in America is to expensive for a business, why not make it a prison job. We've got the worlds largest live in work force. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I think this should become the new green industry we develop here in America. I am sure enough material can be safely reclaimed from this old electronics hardware that it can then be recycled back into the industry. When my dad worked for ATT we helped recycle old phones ringers etc. to be cleaned and reused in manufacturing phones. It was actually one of my summer jobs for JA (Remember Junior Achievement?) Instead of shipping it overseas where lo tech meets high tech. Leave it here where High Tech can take care of it. Stewart At 05:42 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote: On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Arnold Kee wrote: Should we rely on the free market to address this issue? Why would you expect the free market to ever address such an issue? Palming off our pollutants on a distant part of the world is good business. We get to rid ourselves of the dangerous junk and somebody else gets to do the dying -- looks like a good deal for us. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: And if keeping these jobs in America is to expensive for a business, why not make it a prison job. We've got the worlds largest live in work force. In China the state enhances revenue by selling prisoner body parts. If those prisoners were to be working with toxic computer parts it would reduce their value. Strictly on economic grounds I think a free market would definitely favor dealing in human body parts over computer parts. Why should it be any different in the USA? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: And if keeping these jobs in America is to expensive for a business, why not make it a prison job. We've got the worlds largest live in work force. To follow this suggestion would increase the incentive to put even more people in prison. We are already very close to having the highest percentage of population in prison as it is. I thought this was supposed to be the land of the free? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
