[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-55) Bundle database server with LCF packaged product
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12886717#action_12886717 ] Karl Wright commented on CONNECTORS-55: --- Mark, If your concern is about installing LCF, read the Quick Start part of the build/deploy page. You check out, build, and run. Derby-based. Nothing else to install. Not hard really. Bundle database server with LCF packaged product Key: CONNECTORS-55 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55 Project: Lucene Connector Framework Issue Type: Improvement Components: Framework core Reporter: Jack Krupansky The current requirement that the user install and deploy a PostgreSQL server complicates the installation and deployment of LCF for the user. Installation and deployment of LCF should be as simple as Solr itself. QuickStart is great for the low-end and basic evaluation, but a comparable level of simplified installation and deployment is still needed for full-blown, high-end environments that need the full performance of a ProstgreSQL-class database server. So, PostgreSQL should be bundled with the packaged release of LCF so that installation and deployment of LCF will automatically install and deploy a subset of the full PostgreSQL distribution that is sufficient for the needs of LCF. Starting LCF, with or without the LCF UI, should automatically start the database server. Shutting down LCF should also shutdown the database server process. A typical use case would be for a non-developer who is comfortable with Solr and simply wants to crawl documents from, for example, a SharePoint repository and feed them into Solr. QuickStart should work well for the low end or in the early stages of evaluation, but the user would prefer to evaluate the real thing with something resembling a production crawl of thousands of documents. Such a user might not be a hard-core developer or be comfortable fiddling with a lot of software components simply to do one conceptually simple operation. It should still be possible for the user to supply database server settings to override the defaults, but the LCF package should have all of the best-practice settings deemed appropriate for use with LCF. One downside is that installation and deployment will be platform-specific since there are multiple processes and PostgreSQL itself requires a platform-specific installation. This proposal presumes that PostgreSQL is the best option for the foreseeable future, but nothing here is intended to preclude support for other database servers in futures releases. This proposal should not have any impact on QuickStart packaging or deployment. Note: This issue is part of Phase 1 of the CONNECTORS-50 umbrella issue. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online.
[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-55) Bundle database server with LCF packaged product
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12886720#action_12886720 ] Jack Krupansky commented on CONNECTORS-55: -- Karl notes that we've had to mess with the stuffer query on pretty near every point release of Postgresql. Letting/forcing the user to pick the right/acceptable release of PostgreSQL to install is error prone and a support headache. I would argue that it is better for the LCF team to bundle the right/best release of PostgreSQL with LCF. Bundle database server with LCF packaged product Key: CONNECTORS-55 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55 Project: Lucene Connector Framework Issue Type: Improvement Components: Framework core Reporter: Jack Krupansky The current requirement that the user install and deploy a PostgreSQL server complicates the installation and deployment of LCF for the user. Installation and deployment of LCF should be as simple as Solr itself. QuickStart is great for the low-end and basic evaluation, but a comparable level of simplified installation and deployment is still needed for full-blown, high-end environments that need the full performance of a ProstgreSQL-class database server. So, PostgreSQL should be bundled with the packaged release of LCF so that installation and deployment of LCF will automatically install and deploy a subset of the full PostgreSQL distribution that is sufficient for the needs of LCF. Starting LCF, with or without the LCF UI, should automatically start the database server. Shutting down LCF should also shutdown the database server process. A typical use case would be for a non-developer who is comfortable with Solr and simply wants to crawl documents from, for example, a SharePoint repository and feed them into Solr. QuickStart should work well for the low end or in the early stages of evaluation, but the user would prefer to evaluate the real thing with something resembling a production crawl of thousands of documents. Such a user might not be a hard-core developer or be comfortable fiddling with a lot of software components simply to do one conceptually simple operation. It should still be possible for the user to supply database server settings to override the defaults, but the LCF package should have all of the best-practice settings deemed appropriate for use with LCF. One downside is that installation and deployment will be platform-specific since there are multiple processes and PostgreSQL itself requires a platform-specific installation. This proposal presumes that PostgreSQL is the best option for the foreseeable future, but nothing here is intended to preclude support for other database servers in futures releases. This proposal should not have any impact on QuickStart packaging or deployment. Note: This issue is part of Phase 1 of the CONNECTORS-50 umbrella issue. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online.
[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-55) Bundle database server with LCF packaged product
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12886722#action_12886722 ] Karl Wright commented on CONNECTORS-55: --- forcing the user to pick the right/acceptable release of PostgreSQL to install is error prone and a support headache Yup. It is. Problem is that products/versions get security fixes, CVE's, end-of-life notices, etc. It is beyond the scope of LCF to try and control all that - we'd be buying a whole new level of support headache, believe me. Bundle database server with LCF packaged product Key: CONNECTORS-55 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55 Project: Lucene Connector Framework Issue Type: Improvement Components: Framework core Reporter: Jack Krupansky The current requirement that the user install and deploy a PostgreSQL server complicates the installation and deployment of LCF for the user. Installation and deployment of LCF should be as simple as Solr itself. QuickStart is great for the low-end and basic evaluation, but a comparable level of simplified installation and deployment is still needed for full-blown, high-end environments that need the full performance of a ProstgreSQL-class database server. So, PostgreSQL should be bundled with the packaged release of LCF so that installation and deployment of LCF will automatically install and deploy a subset of the full PostgreSQL distribution that is sufficient for the needs of LCF. Starting LCF, with or without the LCF UI, should automatically start the database server. Shutting down LCF should also shutdown the database server process. A typical use case would be for a non-developer who is comfortable with Solr and simply wants to crawl documents from, for example, a SharePoint repository and feed them into Solr. QuickStart should work well for the low end or in the early stages of evaluation, but the user would prefer to evaluate the real thing with something resembling a production crawl of thousands of documents. Such a user might not be a hard-core developer or be comfortable fiddling with a lot of software components simply to do one conceptually simple operation. It should still be possible for the user to supply database server settings to override the defaults, but the LCF package should have all of the best-practice settings deemed appropriate for use with LCF. One downside is that installation and deployment will be platform-specific since there are multiple processes and PostgreSQL itself requires a platform-specific installation. This proposal presumes that PostgreSQL is the best option for the foreseeable future, but nothing here is intended to preclude support for other database servers in futures releases. This proposal should not have any impact on QuickStart packaging or deployment. Note: This issue is part of Phase 1 of the CONNECTORS-50 umbrella issue. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online.
[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-55) Bundle database server with LCF packaged product
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12886724#action_12886724 ] Jack Krupansky commented on CONNECTORS-55: -- When Karl says It *does* limit your ability to use other commands simultaneously (referring to use of embedded Derby), he is referring to commands executed using the executecommand shell script, such as registering and unregistering connectors, which is something typically done once before starting the UI or once every blue moon when you want to support a new type of repository, but not done on as regular a basis as editing connections and jobs and running jobs. The java classes to execute those commands would be, by definition, outside of the LCF process. Bundle database server with LCF packaged product Key: CONNECTORS-55 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55 Project: Lucene Connector Framework Issue Type: Improvement Components: Framework core Reporter: Jack Krupansky The current requirement that the user install and deploy a PostgreSQL server complicates the installation and deployment of LCF for the user. Installation and deployment of LCF should be as simple as Solr itself. QuickStart is great for the low-end and basic evaluation, but a comparable level of simplified installation and deployment is still needed for full-blown, high-end environments that need the full performance of a ProstgreSQL-class database server. So, PostgreSQL should be bundled with the packaged release of LCF so that installation and deployment of LCF will automatically install and deploy a subset of the full PostgreSQL distribution that is sufficient for the needs of LCF. Starting LCF, with or without the LCF UI, should automatically start the database server. Shutting down LCF should also shutdown the database server process. A typical use case would be for a non-developer who is comfortable with Solr and simply wants to crawl documents from, for example, a SharePoint repository and feed them into Solr. QuickStart should work well for the low end or in the early stages of evaluation, but the user would prefer to evaluate the real thing with something resembling a production crawl of thousands of documents. Such a user might not be a hard-core developer or be comfortable fiddling with a lot of software components simply to do one conceptually simple operation. It should still be possible for the user to supply database server settings to override the defaults, but the LCF package should have all of the best-practice settings deemed appropriate for use with LCF. One downside is that installation and deployment will be platform-specific since there are multiple processes and PostgreSQL itself requires a platform-specific installation. This proposal presumes that PostgreSQL is the best option for the foreseeable future, but nothing here is intended to preclude support for other database servers in futures releases. This proposal should not have any impact on QuickStart packaging or deployment. Note: This issue is part of Phase 1 of the CONNECTORS-50 umbrella issue. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online.
[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-55) Bundle database server with LCF packaged product
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12886730#action_12886730 ] Karl Wright commented on CONNECTORS-55: --- The quick-start even takes care of connector registration for you, so executecommand is not needed even then. What you *don't* get to do is use the command-based API to control LCF; that's not going to work in the single-process model. By the way, hsqldb is apparently limited to a 16GB database (version 2.0). That's not very much. Bundle database server with LCF packaged product Key: CONNECTORS-55 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-55 Project: Lucene Connector Framework Issue Type: Improvement Components: Framework core Reporter: Jack Krupansky The current requirement that the user install and deploy a PostgreSQL server complicates the installation and deployment of LCF for the user. Installation and deployment of LCF should be as simple as Solr itself. QuickStart is great for the low-end and basic evaluation, but a comparable level of simplified installation and deployment is still needed for full-blown, high-end environments that need the full performance of a ProstgreSQL-class database server. So, PostgreSQL should be bundled with the packaged release of LCF so that installation and deployment of LCF will automatically install and deploy a subset of the full PostgreSQL distribution that is sufficient for the needs of LCF. Starting LCF, with or without the LCF UI, should automatically start the database server. Shutting down LCF should also shutdown the database server process. A typical use case would be for a non-developer who is comfortable with Solr and simply wants to crawl documents from, for example, a SharePoint repository and feed them into Solr. QuickStart should work well for the low end or in the early stages of evaluation, but the user would prefer to evaluate the real thing with something resembling a production crawl of thousands of documents. Such a user might not be a hard-core developer or be comfortable fiddling with a lot of software components simply to do one conceptually simple operation. It should still be possible for the user to supply database server settings to override the defaults, but the LCF package should have all of the best-practice settings deemed appropriate for use with LCF. One downside is that installation and deployment will be platform-specific since there are multiple processes and PostgreSQL itself requires a platform-specific installation. This proposal presumes that PostgreSQL is the best option for the foreseeable future, but nothing here is intended to preclude support for other database servers in futures releases. This proposal should not have any impact on QuickStart packaging or deployment. Note: This issue is part of Phase 1 of the CONNECTORS-50 umbrella issue. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online.
