Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
So, it seems like we are unanimous in favour of Emmanuel as the chair, and by lazy consensus agree to the committer list and initial PMC below :) Emmanuel, will you put together the proposed project description, and then the proposal for us to vote on? Cheers, Brett On 05/01/2008, at 10:00 AM, Brett Porter wrote: So the poll for progressing seems in favour. Before we continue to vote on a proposal to send to the board, we need to decide on a description for the project, the initial PMC/ committers, and a chair. I would like to nominate Emmanuel as the chair of the project. Are there any other nominations? I have the current committers list as: Maria Odea Ching Joakim Erdfelt Olivier Lamy Trygve Laugstol Jesse McConnell Brett Porter Edwin Punzalan Carlos Sanchez Wendy Smoak Rahul Thakur Emmanuel Venisse Kenney Westerhof Andrew Williams Anyone on that list that doesn't feel they should be a committer? Did I miss anyone? The following have committed only once, or have declared themselves emeritus: Herve Boutemy Dan Diephouse Fabrizio Giustina Arnaud Heritier Lukas Theussl Jason van Zyl Anyone on that list that would like to be included? Finally - I propose that the initial PMC be equal to the list of committers. Any objections or opinions about that? Cheers, Brett On 20/12/2007, at 5:42 PM, Brett Porter wrote: So, what's next? This seems generally in favour - now might be a good time to get started on it? From past experience the steps would be: - poll the current maven committers to see who is interested in participating in the TLP - draft a resolution with those committers as the initial PMC - vote on sending the resolution to the board The board next meets in mid-January. Any thoughts on moving forward with this? - Brett On 24/09/2007, at 6:59 AM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
sorry, so it is clear in my previous mail...I second the nomination of evenisse _and_ decline the nomination myself. If he doesn't want it then I'll think about it, but in my mind there is no one more worthy of that role. cheers! jesse On Jan 9, 2008 6:50 PM, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Rahul. I appreciate the thought, however I decline the nomination at this time :) On 08/01/2008, at 5:00 AM, Rahul Thakur wrote: And the nominations are. (~opens the envelope~) 1) Brett Porter , and 2) Jesse McConnell Cheers :-) Rahul Brett Porter wrote: of course :) On 07/01/2008, at 5:09 PM, Rahul Thakur wrote: Are more than one nominations allowed per person? Rahul Brett Porter wrote: So the poll for progressing seems in favour. Before we continue to vote on a proposal to send to the board, we need to decide on a description for the project, the initial PMC/ committers, and a chair. I would like to nominate Emmanuel as the chair of the project. Are there any other nominations? I have the current committers list as: Maria Odea Ching Joakim Erdfelt Olivier Lamy Trygve Laugstol Jesse McConnell Brett Porter Edwin Punzalan Carlos Sanchez Wendy Smoak Rahul Thakur Emmanuel Venisse Kenney Westerhof Andrew Williams Anyone on that list that doesn't feel they should be a committer? Did I miss anyone? The following have committed only once, or have declared themselves emeritus: Herve Boutemy Dan Diephouse Fabrizio Giustina Arnaud Heritier Lukas Theussl Jason van Zyl Anyone on that list that would like to be included? Finally - I propose that the initial PMC be equal to the list of committers. Any objections or opinions about that? Cheers, Brett On 20/12/2007, at 5:42 PM, Brett Porter wrote: So, what's next? This seems generally in favour - now might be a good time to get started on it? From past experience the steps would be: - poll the current maven committers to see who is interested in participating in the TLP - draft a resolution with those committers as the initial PMC - vote on sending the resolution to the board The board next meets in mid-January. Any thoughts on moving forward with this? - Brett On 24/09/2007, at 6:59 AM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy -- jesse mcconnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
hehe, I am honored to be mentioned I would second brett's nomination of evenisse as chair, can't think of anyone that has given more to the project in the last couple of years :) jesse On Jan 7, 2008 3:00 PM, Rahul Thakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the nominations are. (~opens the envelope~) 1) Brett Porter , and 2) Jesse McConnell Cheers :-) Rahul Brett Porter wrote: of course :) On 07/01/2008, at 5:09 PM, Rahul Thakur wrote: Are more than one nominations allowed per person? Rahul Brett Porter wrote: So the poll for progressing seems in favour. Before we continue to vote on a proposal to send to the board, we need to decide on a description for the project, the initial PMC/committers, and a chair. I would like to nominate Emmanuel as the chair of the project. Are there any other nominations? I have the current committers list as: Maria Odea Ching Joakim Erdfelt Olivier Lamy Trygve Laugstol Jesse McConnell Brett Porter Edwin Punzalan Carlos Sanchez Wendy Smoak Rahul Thakur Emmanuel Venisse Kenney Westerhof Andrew Williams Anyone on that list that doesn't feel they should be a committer? Did I miss anyone? The following have committed only once, or have declared themselves emeritus: Herve Boutemy Dan Diephouse Fabrizio Giustina Arnaud Heritier Lukas Theussl Jason van Zyl Anyone on that list that would like to be included? Finally - I propose that the initial PMC be equal to the list of committers. Any objections or opinions about that? Cheers, Brett On 20/12/2007, at 5:42 PM, Brett Porter wrote: So, what's next? This seems generally in favour - now might be a good time to get started on it? From past experience the steps would be: - poll the current maven committers to see who is interested in participating in the TLP - draft a resolution with those committers as the initial PMC - vote on sending the resolution to the board The board next meets in mid-January. Any thoughts on moving forward with this? - Brett On 24/09/2007, at 6:59 AM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy -- jesse mcconnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
hehe, thanks for the nomination :) Emmanuel Jesse McConnell a écrit : hehe, I am honored to be mentioned I would second brett's nomination of evenisse as chair, can't think of anyone that has given more to the project in the last couple of years :) jesse On Jan 7, 2008 3:00 PM, Rahul Thakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the nominations are. (~opens the envelope~) 1) Brett Porter , and 2) Jesse McConnell Cheers :-) Rahul Brett Porter wrote: of course :) On 07/01/2008, at 5:09 PM, Rahul Thakur wrote: Are more than one nominations allowed per person? Rahul Brett Porter wrote: So the poll for progressing seems in favour. Before we continue to vote on a proposal to send to the board, we need to decide on a description for the project, the initial PMC/committers, and a chair. I would like to nominate Emmanuel as the chair of the project. Are there any other nominations? I have the current committers list as: Maria Odea Ching Joakim Erdfelt Olivier Lamy Trygve Laugstol Jesse McConnell Brett Porter Edwin Punzalan Carlos Sanchez Wendy Smoak Rahul Thakur Emmanuel Venisse Kenney Westerhof Andrew Williams Anyone on that list that doesn't feel they should be a committer? Did I miss anyone? The following have committed only once, or have declared themselves emeritus: Herve Boutemy Dan Diephouse Fabrizio Giustina Arnaud Heritier Lukas Theussl Jason van Zyl Anyone on that list that would like to be included? Finally - I propose that the initial PMC be equal to the list of committers. Any objections or opinions about that? Cheers, Brett On 20/12/2007, at 5:42 PM, Brett Porter wrote: So, what's next? This seems generally in favour - now might be a good time to get started on it? From past experience the steps would be: - poll the current maven committers to see who is interested in participating in the TLP - draft a resolution with those committers as the initial PMC - vote on sending the resolution to the board The board next meets in mid-January. Any thoughts on moving forward with this? - Brett On 24/09/2007, at 6:59 AM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
Thanks Rahul. I appreciate the thought, however I decline the nomination at this time :) On 08/01/2008, at 5:00 AM, Rahul Thakur wrote: And the nominations are. (~opens the envelope~) 1) Brett Porter , and 2) Jesse McConnell Cheers :-) Rahul Brett Porter wrote: of course :) On 07/01/2008, at 5:09 PM, Rahul Thakur wrote: Are more than one nominations allowed per person? Rahul Brett Porter wrote: So the poll for progressing seems in favour. Before we continue to vote on a proposal to send to the board, we need to decide on a description for the project, the initial PMC/ committers, and a chair. I would like to nominate Emmanuel as the chair of the project. Are there any other nominations? I have the current committers list as: Maria Odea Ching Joakim Erdfelt Olivier Lamy Trygve Laugstol Jesse McConnell Brett Porter Edwin Punzalan Carlos Sanchez Wendy Smoak Rahul Thakur Emmanuel Venisse Kenney Westerhof Andrew Williams Anyone on that list that doesn't feel they should be a committer? Did I miss anyone? The following have committed only once, or have declared themselves emeritus: Herve Boutemy Dan Diephouse Fabrizio Giustina Arnaud Heritier Lukas Theussl Jason van Zyl Anyone on that list that would like to be included? Finally - I propose that the initial PMC be equal to the list of committers. Any objections or opinions about that? Cheers, Brett On 20/12/2007, at 5:42 PM, Brett Porter wrote: So, what's next? This seems generally in favour - now might be a good time to get started on it? From past experience the steps would be: - poll the current maven committers to see who is interested in participating in the TLP - draft a resolution with those committers as the initial PMC - vote on sending the resolution to the board The board next meets in mid-January. Any thoughts on moving forward with this? - Brett On 24/09/2007, at 6:59 AM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
Are more than one nominations allowed per person? Rahul Brett Porter wrote: So the poll for progressing seems in favour. Before we continue to vote on a proposal to send to the board, we need to decide on a description for the project, the initial PMC/committers, and a chair. I would like to nominate Emmanuel as the chair of the project. Are there any other nominations? I have the current committers list as: Maria Odea Ching Joakim Erdfelt Olivier Lamy Trygve Laugstol Jesse McConnell Brett Porter Edwin Punzalan Carlos Sanchez Wendy Smoak Rahul Thakur Emmanuel Venisse Kenney Westerhof Andrew Williams Anyone on that list that doesn't feel they should be a committer? Did I miss anyone? The following have committed only once, or have declared themselves emeritus: Herve Boutemy Dan Diephouse Fabrizio Giustina Arnaud Heritier Lukas Theussl Jason van Zyl Anyone on that list that would like to be included? Finally - I propose that the initial PMC be equal to the list of committers. Any objections or opinions about that? Cheers, Brett On 20/12/2007, at 5:42 PM, Brett Porter wrote: So, what's next? This seems generally in favour - now might be a good time to get started on it? From past experience the steps would be: - poll the current maven committers to see who is interested in participating in the TLP - draft a resolution with those committers as the initial PMC - vote on sending the resolution to the board The board next meets in mid-January. Any thoughts on moving forward with this? - Brett On 24/09/2007, at 6:59 AM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
So the poll for progressing seems in favour. Before we continue to vote on a proposal to send to the board, we need to decide on a description for the project, the initial PMC/ committers, and a chair. I would like to nominate Emmanuel as the chair of the project. Are there any other nominations? I have the current committers list as: Maria Odea Ching Joakim Erdfelt Olivier Lamy Trygve Laugstol Jesse McConnell Brett Porter Edwin Punzalan Carlos Sanchez Wendy Smoak Rahul Thakur Emmanuel Venisse Kenney Westerhof Andrew Williams Anyone on that list that doesn't feel they should be a committer? Did I miss anyone? The following have committed only once, or have declared themselves emeritus: Herve Boutemy Dan Diephouse Fabrizio Giustina Arnaud Heritier Lukas Theussl Jason van Zyl Anyone on that list that would like to be included? Finally - I propose that the initial PMC be equal to the list of committers. Any objections or opinions about that? Cheers, Brett On 20/12/2007, at 5:42 PM, Brett Porter wrote: So, what's next? This seems generally in favour - now might be a good time to get started on it? From past experience the steps would be: - poll the current maven committers to see who is interested in participating in the TLP - draft a resolution with those committers as the initial PMC - vote on sending the resolution to the board The board next meets in mid-January. Any thoughts on moving forward with this? - Brett On 24/09/2007, at 6:59 AM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
I'm ok too, but I don't have the time to work on it. Emmanuel Olivier Lamy a écrit : Hi, Agree to start processing this. If I can help I will. -- Olivier 2007/12/20, Brett Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, what's next? This seems generally in favour - now might be a good time to get started on it? From past experience the steps would be: - poll the current maven committers to see who is interested in participating in the TLP - draft a resolution with those committers as the initial PMC - vote on sending the resolution to the board The board next meets in mid-January. Any thoughts on moving forward with this? - Brett On 24/09/2007, at 6:59 AM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
So, what's next? This seems generally in favour - now might be a good time to get started on it? From past experience the steps would be: - poll the current maven committers to see who is interested in participating in the TLP - draft a resolution with those committers as the initial PMC - vote on sending the resolution to the board The board next meets in mid-January. Any thoughts on moving forward with this? - Brett On 24/09/2007, at 6:59 AM, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi, At the begin, Continuum was designed to support maven2 projects so we thought it was good to put it under the maven umbrella. But now it supports other project types (ANT, shell scripts) too so it isn't centered on maven projects. An other thing is that we have lot of users (not only maven users) with actually 450 subscribers to the users list, and I think we can get more with a TLP project. My last point is that with the maven project, it isn't easy to add new committers because a new committer have the hand on all maven umbrella code and not only one project. So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. WDYT? +1 for move to TLP, but the project needs to shift its emphasis from maven. Currently the Jira description still states: Continuum is a continuous integration tool designed specifically for use with maven project. It would also be good to have a comparison page with other open-source build tools - eg CruiseControl. Cheers
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
On 9/29/07, Mauro Talevi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would also be good to have a comparison page with other open-source build tools - eg CruiseControl. there's such a comparision here: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/DAMAGECONTROL/Continuous+Integration+Server+Feature+Matrix However I do not know, if it's actually maintained and up to date for projects listed there. Regards, Tomek
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
I actually would prefer to have an increased focus on maven and maven2 integration. tbh there are many different continuous integration servers and the ties with maven could be increased some more and leverage some really nice features in maven. I don't really think continuum needs to really try and compete in the shell script launched builds and tying ourselves to these kinda ideas limits the fun things that can be done. with increased maven integration we could integrate build and reporting tools automatically into the builds, just injecting these kinda reports into maven2 projects that are under CI. lots of things possible but increasing the maven2 support just my thoughts :) jesse On 9/29/07, Mauro Talevi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi, At the begin, Continuum was designed to support maven2 projects so we thought it was good to put it under the maven umbrella. But now it supports other project types (ANT, shell scripts) too so it isn't centered on maven projects. An other thing is that we have lot of users (not only maven users) with actually 450 subscribers to the users list, and I think we can get more with a TLP project. My last point is that with the maven project, it isn't easy to add new committers because a new committer have the hand on all maven umbrella code and not only one project. So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. WDYT? +1 for move to TLP, but the project needs to shift its emphasis from maven. Currently the Jira description still states: Continuum is a continuous integration tool designed specifically for use with maven project. It would also be good to have a comparison page with other open-source build tools - eg CruiseControl. Cheers -- jesse mcconnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi, At the begin, Continuum was designed to support maven2 projects so we thought it was good to put it under the maven umbrella. But now it supports other project types (ANT, shell scripts) too so it isn't centered on maven projects. An other thing is that we have lot of users (not only maven users) with actually 450 subscribers to the users list, and I think we can get more with a TLP project. My last point is that with the maven project, it isn't easy to add new committers because a new committer have the hand on all maven umbrella code and not only one project. So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. WDYT? I think Continuum fits both under the Maven umbrella and and a separate TLP on Apache and I would support both outcomes. -- Trygve
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. It definitely feels like it's time for this to happen, or at least to start the process. Assuming there is general agreement here, let's talk about it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see who else might be interested in joining us in a TLP. IMO, anyone who has access to the code now as part of Maven is welcome to come along when it moves out, or at any point in the future. That's how we handled the Tiles move (from Struts) and it worked well. -- Wendy
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+1 on this.. I think Continuum is ready to become a TLP at ASF. -Deng Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi, At the begin, Continuum was designed to support maven2 projects so we thought it was good to put it under the maven umbrella. But now it supports other project types (ANT, shell scripts) too so it isn't centered on maven projects. An other thing is that we have lot of users (not only maven users) with actually 450 subscribers to the users list, and I think we can get more with a TLP project. My last point is that with the maven project, it isn't easy to add new committers because a new committer have the hand on all maven umbrella code and not only one project. So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. WDYT? Emmanuel
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+1 Christian On 21-Sep-07, at 8:10 PM, Brett Porter wrote: On 22/09/2007, at 7:34 AM, Rahul Thakur wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. I agree. It is effectively running itself already. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. While I am for Continuum as TLP, I don't understand the rationale behind having committers from different companies. How would this help to make Continuum more stable? Stability from a community point of view. Firstly, we need to ensure we have enough committers in the first place - for example, to ensure that if Emmanuel decided he could no longer participate, the project would need to be able to survive (though obviously, miss him greatly :) Having those committers from a diverse set of companies is an extra safeguard to ensure that no single company either controls the direction of the project, or could cause it problems by withdrawing people's time on it. To be clear, there's no reason to suspect this is a problem now - it's just a worthy thing to have in a project. I think everything is on track here - the first focus should be on getting 1.1 out of course, but if we keep doing what we are doing this totally makes sense. Cheers, Brett -- Brett Porter - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://www.devzuz.org/blogs/bporter/
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
- Original Message - From: Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: continuum-dev@maven.apache.org Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP Hi, At the begin, Continuum was designed to support maven2 projects so we thought it was good to put it under the maven umbrella. But now it supports other project types (ANT, shell scripts) too so it isn't centered on maven projects. An other thing is that we have lot of users (not only maven users) with actually 450 subscribers to the users list, and I think we can get more with a TLP project. My last point is that with the maven project, it isn't easy to add new committers because a new committer have the hand on all maven umbrella code and not only one project. So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. While I am for Continuum as TLP, I don't understand the rationale behind having committers from different companies. How would this help to make Continuum more stable? Cheers, Rahul WDYT? Emmanuel
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
I agree, I think continuum would make a good TLP and move out from the direct maven umbrella. We can attract committers that might not be totally driven with the maven2 koolaid if we are not strictly associated with that project. I know there are a lot of plans for continuum in the relatively near future and I think its an ideal time to take continuum up as a TLP. As for more committers, I think they will come with time and some of the work that is planned. Emm and I work for the same company but olamy is really active and new committer, and Rahul will probably be stepping up some more as we start working on some of the refactoring bits that have been discussed some (and he gets that whole marriage deal worked out). Anyway, I support this and it has been kicked around in the background for a while now. jesse On 9/21/07, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, At the begin, Continuum was designed to support maven2 projects so we thought it was good to put it under the maven umbrella. But now it supports other project types (ANT, shell scripts) too so it isn't centered on maven projects. An other thing is that we have lot of users (not only maven users) with actually 450 subscribers to the users list, and I think we can get more with a TLP project. My last point is that with the maven project, it isn't easy to add new committers because a new committer have the hand on all maven umbrella code and not only one project. So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. WDYT? Emmanuel -- jesse mcconnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
Hi, +1. It will help to find more committers to implement all great new features. -- Olivier 2007/9/21, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, At the begin, Continuum was designed to support maven2 projects so we thought it was good to put it under the maven umbrella. But now it supports other project types (ANT, shell scripts) too so it isn't centered on maven projects. An other thing is that we have lot of users (not only maven users) with actually 450 subscribers to the users list, and I think we can get more with a TLP project. My last point is that with the maven project, it isn't easy to add new committers because a new committer have the hand on all maven umbrella code and not only one project. So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. WDYT? Emmanuel -- Olivier
Re: [discuss] Graduate Continuum to its own TLP
On 22/09/2007, at 7:34 AM, Rahul Thakur wrote: So I think it would be good for Continuum to become a Top Level Project at ASF and the continuum community will have more chance to grow. I agree. It is effectively running itself already. My concern for the moment is we don't have enough committer from different companies, To be stable, at least 3 committers from different companies would be good. While I am for Continuum as TLP, I don't understand the rationale behind having committers from different companies. How would this help to make Continuum more stable? Stability from a community point of view. Firstly, we need to ensure we have enough committers in the first place - for example, to ensure that if Emmanuel decided he could no longer participate, the project would need to be able to survive (though obviously, miss him greatly :) Having those committers from a diverse set of companies is an extra safeguard to ensure that no single company either controls the direction of the project, or could cause it problems by withdrawing people's time on it. To be clear, there's no reason to suspect this is a problem now - it's just a worthy thing to have in a project. I think everything is on track here - the first focus should be on getting 1.1 out of course, but if we keep doing what we are doing this totally makes sense. Cheers, Brett -- Brett Porter - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://www.devzuz.org/blogs/bporter/
