[Callers] Re: [External] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune

[Winston, Alan P. via Contra Callers]

I really don't have time to get sucked into an interesting philosophical 
discussion today, but it's catnip for
me and I can't resist.

I think we've got two different categories that have the same name (or at least 
the same informal name).

Levi Jackson situation:

- It was written for ECD audiences with a tune of its own, by an Englishman, 
and it has been a popular and beloved 
dance at many American ECD dances for many years.  (When I got to the Bay Area 
in 1985 it was already something that the band could just play and regulars 
would form up and do.)

- It was deliberately written in American Contra style (as was "Long Pond", 
where Shaw even says so) at a time when that style was very different from 
today, and it was written specifically for a specific American location.

- It's been done successfully at some Contra dance events.

Some category questions (and my preliminary answers):

- Is it an "English" dance?  Yes, an Englishman wrote it.  (Are Colin Hume's 
square dances, intentionally written as American squares, English dances?  Yes, 
an Englishman wrote it. But also no, not written to be an English country 
dance.)   (But also Americans, Canadians, Belgians write "English" dances in 
the sense of being intended to fit into 
that tradition.)
- Is it an "English country dance"?  It is done at English country dances in 
the US and England, so apparently a lot of people think so, and while it 
definitely fits into the UK ECD parameters (where they do what we'd call 
chestnut contras and trad dances with swings as well as what Americans would 
recognize as modern ECD all just mixed together) and with all kinds of 
formations?  The fact of it using square and contra dance moves doesn't 
disqualify a dance from being ECD.  (I'm unaware of any argument that "Winter 
Dreams Waltz", which has stuff like pass through and courtesy turn into a left 
hand star, isn't an ECD.)
- Is it a contra dance?  Well, I guess, if it's being done at contra dances 
(and you should youtube up the Berea dancers performing it, because the way 
they do it awesome.), uses contra dance figures, etc.  It's in an unusual 
formation for contra but if triplets are contras and circle mixers are contras 
then LJR can be a costume.  (It having been designed for a specific tune is 
outside the usual modern contra categories, but you can do Wizard's Walk to 
other tunes - it's a contra for sure.) 
- Can something be both an English country dance and a contra dance?  (I think 
in England, at least, it can be, but the attitude and styling with which contra 
is done at an English dance club isn't the same as at a dedicated contra 
series).

So I think what we've got is that dances have a cloud of attributes around them 
- belongs to this category and that category and that category - rather than 
*essentially* being a thing even if intended to be the thing - and the useful 
question for the caller isn't "Is it an X" but "will it work at the kind of 
dance I'm programming" - which varies between venues and also on whether the 
caller can put it across.

-- Alan
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From: John Sweeney via Contra Callers 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 3:26 PM
To: 'Contra Callers'
Subject: [Callers] Re: [External] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune

Hi all,
  Seth asked “Is "Levi Jackson Rag" an English Dance?”.

  The answer is very simple.  It was written by an English man so, 
yes, it is an English dance!

  Modern American ECD is a small subset of English country dancing!

  See also: http://contrafusion.co.uk/EnglishAmerican.html

  I have asked many times for the American ECD callers to define 
exactly what American ECD is, but no-one has been able to give an answer.  
Basically because it is the subset of dances that a particular group want to 
use in their community at a particular time.

  The best definition I could come up with is the one I put in 
Wikipedia: “While English Folk Dance Clubs generally embrace all types of 
country dance, American English Country Dance (ECD) groups tend to exclude 
modern contra dances and square dances.”  I have been to American ECD sessions 
where a wider range of dances are used, and if you look through some of the 
groups’ archives you will find a much wider range of dances fifty years ago.

Happy dancing,
   John

John Sweeney, Dancer, England   j...@modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 
574
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[Callers] Re: [External] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune

[John Sweeney via Contra Callers]

Hi all,

  Seth asked "Is "Levi Jackson Rag" an English Dance?".

 

  The answer is very simple.  It was written by an English man
so, yes, it is an English dance!

 

  Modern American ECD is a small subset of English country
dancing!

 

  See also: http://contrafusion.co.uk/EnglishAmerican.html

 

  I have asked many times for the American ECD callers to define
exactly what American ECD is, but no-one has been able to give an answer.
Basically because it is the subset of dances that a particular group want to
use in their community at a particular time.

 

  The best definition I could come up with is the one I put in
Wikipedia: "While English Folk Dance Clubs generally embrace all types of
country dance, American English Country Dance (ECD) groups tend to exclude
modern contra dances and square dances."  I have been to American ECD
sessions where a wider range of dances are used, and if you look through
some of the groups' archives you will find a much wider range of dances
fifty years ago.

 

Happy dancing,  

   John   



John Sweeney, Dancer, England   j...@modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802
940 574  

http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs


http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent


http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs

 

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[Callers] Re: [External] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune

[Laur via Contra Callers]

Its a simple dance, it was suggested to me as “english” but its more of a 
general category.
Anna turns five


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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:46 PM, Jacob or Nancy Bloom 
 wrote:

Balance The Star was written to go to Beaumont Rag.  It's a simple dance, 
usually done as a Sicilian Circle, so it may not be what you want for your 
crowd.
I've never heard of an English dance written for Beaumont Rag.  What dance is 
that?
Jacob Bloom

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 4:31 PM Laur via Contra Callers 
 wrote:

Seth, thats an idea..As I recall they may not play it to fit but I will give 
that some more thought. 


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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:27 PM, Tepfer, Seth  wrote:

Hey Laur (and Bill)I've danced "Levi Jackson Rag" many times to the tune 
Beaumont Rag, and it works fine. I would be surprised if it didn't work for a 
contra dance.
HOWEVER, it could well be the way this band plays the tune just isn't 
supportive of contra dancing.



Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMPManager of Software Engineering, Oxford 
CollegeSchedule an appointment: 
oxford.emory.edu/SethBooking770-784-8487Pronouns: he, him, his

From: Laur via Contra Callers 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:21 PM
To: Contra Callers 
Subject: [External] [Callers] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune 


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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:20 PM, Laur  wrote:

Yes Bill I agree. 
I plan on asking the band not to include that tune, but thought I would give it 
a good sport try and ask here first.
They play it for show, as a jazzy tune. It just doesn't work. 
And no the band isnt suggesting anything -  the band always plays the tune 
during a dance. the caller does what they do, walks the dancers through the 
dance and the band picks a tune. But the band will play that tune at some point 
during the night. 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad


On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:08 PM, Bill Olson  wrote:

Laur, where are you? Not quite sure I understand here.. The BAND is suggesting 
the dance that you should callto a tune they want to play?? u...
That ain't how it works. Make it easy on yourself.. You are in control here.. 
Just tell the band NOT to play the tune..
That all said, there are SO many ways Beaumont Rag is played. Not all of them 
are 32 bars long. and it is often played as a "show off' tune at Bluegrass 
festivals, i.e. REALLY FAST!!! the tune is pretty much fun if played AABB at a 
reasonable tempo.. Not sure what your local band does with it in a contra dance 
setting, but I'd just politely say 'we're not gonna use that one'..
my $.02  - bill
From: Laur via Contra Callers 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:50 PM
To: Contra Callers 
Subject: [Callers] Need help fitting to a tune A local band here plays Beaumont 
Rag As a part of their routine dance set. It’s a popular band. 
I’ve never experienced  a contra dance The  band has  chosen to play for a 
dance work. It doesn’t work for the dancers and it’s agonizing for the caller. 
Can anyone suggest a dance that could fit? At this point I’m planning to 
request they don’t include the tune. 
I know there’s an English dance written to match but not interested in that for 
this set. 
Laurie 

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[Callers] Re: [External] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune

[Val Medve via Contra Callers]

Hi Jacob. Gary Roodman’s ECD, Anna Turns Five, uses Beaumont Rag as the
tune. Here’s a video:
https://youtu.be/uWFYtm0EO38

Val Medve
Essex Junction, VT

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 4:46 PM Jacob or Nancy Bloom via Contra Callers <
contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Balance The Star was written to go to Beaumont Rag.  It's a simple dance,
> usually done as a Sicilian Circle, so it may not be what you want for your
> crowd.
>
> I've never heard of an English dance written for Beaumont Rag.  What dance
> is that?
>
> Jacob Bloom
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 4:31 PM Laur via Contra Callers <
> contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> Seth, thats an idea..As I recall they may not play it to fit but I will
>> give that some more thought.
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:27 PM, Tepfer, Seth 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Laur (and Bill)
>> I've danced "Levi Jackson Rag" many times to the tune Beaumont Rag, and
>> it works fine. I would be surprised if it didn't work for a contra dance.
>>
>> HOWEVER, it could well be the way this band plays the tune just isn't
>> supportive of contra dancing.
>>
>>
>> Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP
>> Manager of Software Engineering, Oxford College
>> Schedule an appointment: oxford.emory.edu/SethBooking
>> 
>> 770-784-8487
>> Pronouns: he, him, his
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From:* Laur via Contra Callers 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:21 PM
>> *To:* Contra Callers 
>> *Subject:* [External] [Callers] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
>> 
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:20 PM, Laur  wrote:
>>
>> Yes Bill I agree.
>>
>> I plan on asking the band not to include that tune, but thought I would
>> give it a good sport try and ask here first.
>>
>> They play it for show, as a jazzy tune. It just doesn't work.
>>
>> And no the band isnt suggesting anything -  the band always plays the
>> tune during a dance. the caller does what they do, walks the dancers
>> through the dance and the band picks a tune. But the band will play that
>> tune at some point during the night.
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:08 PM, Bill Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Laur, where are you? Not quite sure I understand here.. The BAND is
>> suggesting the* dance that you should call *to a tune they want to
>> play?? u...
>>
>> That ain't how it works. Make it easy on yourself.. You are in control
>> here.. Just tell the band NOT to play the tune..
>>
>> That all said, there are SO many ways Beaumont Rag is played. Not all of
>> them are 32 bars long. and it is often played as a "show off' tune at
>> Bluegrass festivals, i.e. REALLY FAST!!! the tune is pretty much fun if
>> played AABB at a reasonable tempo.. Not sure what your local band does with
>> it in a contra dance setting, but I'd just politely say 'we're not gonna
>> use that one'..
>>
>> my $.02  - bill
>> --
>> *From:* Laur via Contra Callers 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:50 PM
>> *To:* Contra Callers 
>> *Subject:* [Callers] Need help fitting to a tune
>>
>> A local band here plays Beaumont Rag As a part of their routine dance
>> set. It’s a popular band.
>> I’ve never experienced  a contra dance The  band has  chosen to play for
>> a dance work. It doesn’t work for the dancers and it’s agonizing for the
>> caller.
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a dance that could fit? At this point I’m planning to
>> request they don’t include the tune.
>>
>> I know there’s an English dance written to match but not interested in
>> that for this set.
>>
>> Laurie
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 

[Callers] Re: [External] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune

[Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers]

Is "Levi Jackson Rag" an English Dance? That is an interesting question.


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Manager of Software Engineering, Oxford College
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From: Jacob or Nancy Bloom 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:46 PM
To: Laur 
Cc: Tepfer, Seth ; Contra Callers 

Subject: Re: [Callers] Re: [External] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune

Balance The Star was written to go to Beaumont Rag.  It's a simple dance, 
usually done as a Sicilian Circle, so it may not be what you want for your 
crowd.

I've never heard of an English dance written for Beaumont Rag.  What dance is 
that?

Jacob Bloom


On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 4:31 PM Laur via Contra Callers 
mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
 wrote:
Seth, thats an idea..As I recall they may not play it to fit but I will give 
that some more thought.


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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:27 PM, Tepfer, Seth 
mailto:la...@emory.edu>> wrote:

Hey Laur (and Bill)
I've danced "Levi Jackson Rag" many times to the tune Beaumont Rag, and it 
works fine. I would be surprised if it didn't work for a contra dance.

HOWEVER, it could well be the way this band plays the tune just isn't 
supportive of contra dancing.



Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP
Manager of Software Engineering, Oxford College
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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:20 PM, Laur 
mailto:lc...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Yes Bill I agree.

I plan on asking the band not to include that tune, but thought I would give it 
a good sport try and ask here first.

They play it for show, as a jazzy tune. It just doesn't work.

And no the band isnt suggesting anything -  the band always plays the tune 
during a dance. the caller does what they do, walks the dancers through the 
dance and the band picks a tune. But the band will play that tune at some point 
during the night.


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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:08 PM, Bill Olson 
mailto:callb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Laur, where are you? Not quite sure I understand here.. The BAND is suggesting 
the dance that you should call to a tune they want to play?? u...

That ain't how it works. Make it easy on yourself.. You are in control here.. 
Just tell the band NOT to play the tune..

That all said, there are SO many ways Beaumont Rag is pl

[Callers] Re: [External] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune

[Jacob or Nancy Bloom via Contra Callers]

Balance The Star was written to go to Beaumont Rag.  It's a simple dance,
usually done as a Sicilian Circle, so it may not be what you want for your
crowd.

I've never heard of an English dance written for Beaumont Rag.  What dance
is that?

Jacob Bloom


On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 4:31 PM Laur via Contra Callers <
contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Seth, thats an idea..As I recall they may not play it to fit but I will
> give that some more thought.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:27 PM, Tepfer, Seth 
> wrote:
>
> Hey Laur (and Bill)
> I've danced "Levi Jackson Rag" many times to the tune Beaumont Rag, and it
> works fine. I would be surprised if it didn't work for a contra dance.
>
> HOWEVER, it could well be the way this band plays the tune just isn't
> supportive of contra dancing.
>
>
> Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP
> Manager of Software Engineering, Oxford College
> Schedule an appointment: oxford.emory.edu/SethBooking
> 
> 770-784-8487
> Pronouns: he, him, his
>
>
> 
> --
> *From:* Laur via Contra Callers 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:21 PM
> *To:* Contra Callers 
> *Subject:* [External] [Callers] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
> 
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:20 PM, Laur  wrote:
>
> Yes Bill I agree.
>
> I plan on asking the band not to include that tune, but thought I would
> give it a good sport try and ask here first.
>
> They play it for show, as a jazzy tune. It just doesn't work.
>
> And no the band isnt suggesting anything -  the band always plays the tune
> during a dance. the caller does what they do, walks the dancers through the
> dance and the band picks a tune. But the band will play that tune at some
> point during the night.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
> 
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:08 PM, Bill Olson 
> wrote:
>
> Laur, where are you? Not quite sure I understand here.. The BAND is
> suggesting the* dance that you should call *to a tune they want to play??
> u...
>
> That ain't how it works. Make it easy on yourself.. You are in control
> here.. Just tell the band NOT to play the tune..
>
> That all said, there are SO many ways Beaumont Rag is played. Not all of
> them are 32 bars long. and it is often played as a "show off' tune at
> Bluegrass festivals, i.e. REALLY FAST!!! the tune is pretty much fun if
> played AABB at a reasonable tempo.. Not sure what your local band does with
> it in a contra dance setting, but I'd just politely say 'we're not gonna
> use that one'..
>
> my $.02  - bill
> --
> *From:* Laur via Contra Callers 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:50 PM
> *To:* Contra Callers 
> *Subject:* [Callers] Need help fitting to a tune
>
> A local band here plays Beaumont Rag As a part of their routine dance set.
> It’s a popular band.
> I’ve never experienced  a contra dance The  band has  chosen to play for a
> dance work. It doesn’t work for the dancers and it’s agonizing for the
> caller.
>
> Can anyone suggest a dance that could fit? At this point I’m planning to
> request they don’t include the tune.
>
> I know there’s an English dance written to match but not interested in
> that for this set.
>
> Laurie
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
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[Laur via Contra Callers]

Seth, thats an idea..As I recall they may not play it to fit but I will give 
that some more thought. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad


On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:27 PM, Tepfer, Seth  wrote:

#yiv3274184028 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Hey Laur (and Bill)I've danced 
"Levi Jackson Rag" many times to the tune Beaumont Rag, and it works fine. I 
would be surprised if it didn't work for a contra dance.
HOWEVER, it could well be the way this band plays the tune just isn't 
supportive of contra dancing.



Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMPManager of Software Engineering, Oxford 
CollegeSchedule an appointment: 
oxford.emory.edu/SethBooking770-784-8487Pronouns: he, him, his

From: Laur via Contra Callers 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:21 PM
To: Contra Callers 
Subject: [External] [Callers] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune 


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Begin forwarded message:

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:20 PM, Laur  wrote:

Yes Bill I agree. 
I plan on asking the band not to include that tune, but thought I would give it 
a good sport try and ask here first.
They play it for show, as a jazzy tune. It just doesn't work. 
And no the band isnt suggesting anything -  the band always plays the tune 
during a dance. the caller does what they do, walks the dancers through the 
dance and the band picks a tune. But the band will play that tune at some point 
during the night. 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad


On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:08 PM, Bill Olson  wrote:

Laur, where are you? Not quite sure I 
understand here.. The BAND is suggesting the dance that you should callto a 
tune they want to play?? u...
That ain't how it works. Make it easy on yourself.. You are in control here.. 
Just tell the band NOT to play the tune..
That all said, there are SO many ways Beaumont Rag is played. Not all of them 
are 32 bars long. and it is often played as a "show off' tune at Bluegrass 
festivals, i.e. REALLY FAST!!! the tune is pretty much fun if played AABB at a 
reasonable tempo.. Not sure what your local band does with it in a contra dance 
setting, but I'd just politely say 'we're not gonna use that one'..
my $.02  - bill
From: Laur via Contra Callers 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:50 PM
To: Contra Callers 
Subject: [Callers] Need help fitting to a tune A local band here plays Beaumont 
Rag As a part of their routine dance set. It’s a popular band. 
I’ve never experienced  a contra dance The  band has  chosen to play for a 
dance work. It doesn’t work for the dancers and it’s agonizing for the caller. 
Can anyone suggest a dance that could fit? At this point I’m planning to 
request they don’t include the tune. 
I know there’s an English dance written to match but not interested in that for 
this set. 
Laurie 

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[Callers] Re: [External] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune

[Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers]

Hey Laur (and Bill)
I've danced "Levi Jackson Rag" many times to the tune Beaumont Rag, and it 
works fine. I would be surprised if it didn't work for a contra dance.

HOWEVER, it could well be the way this band plays the tune just isn't 
supportive of contra dancing.


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From: Laur via Contra Callers 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:21 PM
To: Contra Callers 
Subject: [External] [Callers] Fw: Need help fitting to a tune




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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:20 PM, Laur  wrote:

Yes Bill I agree.

I plan on asking the band not to include that tune, but thought I would give it 
a good sport try and ask here first.

They play it for show, as a jazzy tune. It just doesn't work.

And no the band isnt suggesting anything -  the band always plays the tune 
during a dance. the caller does what they do, walks the dancers through the 
dance and the band picks a tune. But the band will play that tune at some point 
during the night.


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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 4:08 PM, Bill Olson  wrote:

Laur, where are you? Not quite sure I understand here.. The BAND is suggesting 
the dance that you should call to a tune they want to play?? u...

That ain't how it works. Make it easy on yourself.. You are in control here.. 
Just tell the band NOT to play the tune..

That all said, there are SO many ways Beaumont Rag is played. Not all of them 
are 32 bars long. and it is often played as a "show off' tune at Bluegrass 
festivals, i.e. REALLY FAST!!! the tune is pretty much fun if played AABB at a 
reasonable tempo.. Not sure what your local band does with it in a contra dance 
setting, but I'd just politely say 'we're not gonna use that one'..

my $.02  - bill

From: Laur via Contra Callers 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:50 PM
To: Contra Callers 
Subject: [Callers] Need help fitting to a tune

A local band here plays Beaumont Rag As a part of their routine dance set. It’s 
a popular band.
I’ve never experienced  a contra dance The  band has  chosen to play for a 
dance work. It doesn’t work for the dancers and it’s agonizing for the caller.

Can anyone suggest a dance that could fit? At this point I’m planning to 
request they don’t include the tune.

I know there’s an English dance written to match but not interested in that for 
this set.

Laurie

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iPhone
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