Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS and NFSv3 together in LM 8.0?
OK, I haven't really been following the cooker/LM8.0 stuff too well, and I couldn't find any reference in the archives about whether the new release is expected to support ReiserFS and NFSv3 (or even v2 for that matter) together out of the box or not. Yup, we have tested the patches on our developement machines (which use to fail with the default kernel). So, will we finally be able to install a Linux server with NIS, NFS, and a journalizing filesystem without having to get too deep into the guts of the OS? yup that's the goal :) OK, how about samba, too. My ultimate goal would be to use a single server which is the NIS domain server and NFS server for the Unix workstations plus act as the Windows Primary Domain Controller which serves home directories to the windows clients. Naturally, all on a ReiserFS. I've managed to get that all working on a L-M 7.0 box, but it took some time to convince everything to play nice, and it still has inexplicable crashes once every few weeks. I'm not afraid of it, but I can't leave it in the hands of an inexperienced system admin. Thanks, Michael
[Cooker] ReiserFS and NFSv3 together in LM 8.0?
OK, I haven't really been following the cooker/LM8.0 stuff too well, and I couldn't find any reference in the archives about whether the new release is expected to support ReiserFS and NFSv3 (or even v2 for that matter) together out of the box or not. Is this a planned/supported configuration? I know I can get it working if I apply the patches and compile a kernel, but I really want something I can just hand to someone without a lot of experience, walk them through a few, and expect them to get it right with only telephone support. So, will we finally be able to install a Linux server with NIS, NFS, and a journalizing filesystem without having to get too deep into the guts of the OS? And if this is answered on the mandrakeforum site forgive me. Thanks, Michael PS. How about the qmail patches for Reiser? Any chance of supplying both qmail and the patch in an rpm we can select? I know the qmail license is a little stifling, but you could make the user run a separate program to install the patch.
Re: [Cooker] Xfree 4.0.2
Guillaume answered: Neal Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd pay a subscription fee for a service that backported certain "interesting" packages from cooker to the release version if it meant I could see them in say, maybe a month of release time. Why pay money? To encourage speedy releases, and to benifit from the integration that Mandrake does well with all of the other software packages installed on the system. Does Mandrake offer a service like this? This is currently under question here at MandrakeSoft :-). I think it's clear, to me at least, that a small company cannot possibly stay in business if they've got too much legacy support. However, I do understand the point of backporting things to the current release. Mandrake obviously does this with the security releases. I have gotten back ports to my 7.1 system for some things. I think the biggest problem is that many people are beginning to think cooker is a place to stay on the leading edge. But cooker is really the bleeding edge, not the leading edge. Perhaps a tagline on the bottom of cooker messages reminding everyone that cooker is not stable would be good. Another thought would be to look at the OpenBSD release model. They have three branches. The release branch (the actual CD image), which is frozen when the CD's go to press. The stable branch, which is essentially updates to the release branch. And finally a current branch, which is like cooker. On any given day something in current might be broken. I would probably abandon the stable updates on the old branch after a new release. In other words, I probably would *NOT* do any backports on a stable branch to 7.1. (I probably would continue security releases on 7.1 for a while. I would consider security releases for 12 months after the branch is retired, but that may be too expensive.) And I would keep hammering to people that cooker is *NOT* stable. Use it at your own risk. Michael
Re: [Cooker] Sad state of pre-releasing to consumers
Sad development, but Mandrake is becoming more and more like Microsoft. Or perhaps Mandrake is becoming more and more like a successful business. I'm sorry, crusades as for people who don't have to support themselves. Witness Richard Stallman. He's a crusader, not a businessman, and he's been broke and on a soapbox for 20 years now. Over the years I've sent the FSF money and cajoled various bosses into sending them money just because I believe in the cause, but I've never taken up my sleeping bag and tent and gone off to join him. I doubt seriously any of you here would do that either. Anyone who wants to just tell your spouse/significant other, "We're casting away our worldly possessions and joining the crusade today." I'll bet you'll get a look that will stop you dead in your tracks. It seems what Mandrake did was let a reduced version go out the door to avoid being destroyed by a deadline that was non-negotiable and inflexible, much the same way you would push your car off a railroad track when a train is coming rather than take a ridiculous position that you really need more time to find out why it won't start. Like it or not, Wal-Mart and Microsoft are the two most successful business in the history of mankind. I, for one, think the 7.2/MacMillian/Wal-Mart flap probably could have been handled better, but you're talking about an extremely small, inexperienced company. Every one of you who hasn't blown it a few times feel free to take your sleeping bag and go join the crusade. Otherwise remember they've got kids to feed and send to college, too. Help a little more; bitch a little less. Michael
Re: [Cooker] Sad state of pre-releasing to consumers
Is this really that important to MandrakeSoft? Don't get caught up in allowing Walmart to dictate the terms. What is more important stable release or Nov 1st target. If Walmart won't take it past a given date, politely remind them about how well the product is selling at Staples. (Yes lie, make up imaginary sales figures, whatever). As someone who has dealt with Wal-Mart in the past I would be willing to lay a few house payments on the line that: 1) The Wal-Mart Channel *IS* that important to the revenue stream of a small company like Mandrake. 2) You can't lie to Wal-Mart. They've got way more resources than you or Mandrake or the two of you and my small company put together. You can bet you butt that someone inside Wal-Mart knows *EXACTLY* how well Mandrake sells. and 3) When you deal with the largest retailer in the world (Wal-Mart) you deal with them on their terms, not yours. They make or break you, you don't make or break them. So Wal-Mart bullys MacMillian, MacMillian bullys Mandrake, and we suffer because Wal-Mart forces the Mandrake publish date to fall early exactly the same way they were able to push the Play Station 2 release date before the manufacturing failities were ready. (Do you really think anyone wanted the Play Station 2s to be scalped on eBay for the outragous prices we see. Hell no, but they *SURE* didn't want them to be excluded from the Wal-Mart Christmas sales!) Keep in mind that Mandrake is really just a small company with a handful of people trying to break into the big time. They've already landed a few big fish (Macmillan, etc.) and now have to play by the real world market rules. I sure hope they make it, but I'm clearly aware that the highway is littered with bodies of other companies on that same route. The only one who can bully Wal-Mart is the consumer. Michael
Re: [Cooker] i486 Release?
I'd like to see a 7.2/486 ISO not long after the 7.2/586 is released. [...] For that matter, why not also have a 686 version ;) Both sound good to me, but remember these guys are trying to run a business. How are they going to resell either one of those versions. I actually loaded the 7.02-i486 release on an old 486-66 and it ran well enough. But every time I went to find some update the only LM rpm I could find were the i586. Ergo, anything you wanted to update you had to build yourself. Not hard, but not worth my time. It might be different for the low budget guys, but even an average student these days can afford a 586 box. So where's the market? MB
