Re: War (was: [Cooker] Re: APCI not working on presario 700)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le Mercredi 12 Mars 2003 13:32, Chmouel Boudjnah a écrit : > David Walser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Though knowing too much could be dangerous :o) Me and a friend were > > having a discussion, and I was saying I hope some Americans don't > > refuse to buy MDK 9.1 because of the situation at the United Nations, > > and he said most Americans probably don't know Mandrake is French... > > we did get mails from some morons who said that they don't want to buy > us because we are French and don't support the war. > Hail we are like this we like to eat Camembert, drink Wine and make > love :-p It'is not realy true, for war it is said that some very larges RORO ships from the French Delmas Cie ( Bolore )are chartered by U.S . For Camembert and wine transport to U.S troops ? ;-) So French are supporting war and business and Americans will accept to buy the nice MDK9.1 because she is the very first. - -- Pascal Lacroix -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+b57VR4Znge8ZqPIRAuEqAJ9eaN8/KkeVzPzfS+HjzwXP91vDdQCfQjFq tHkxG3MtaK3lIiQP1CmZSmc= =V7ao -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] This doesn't sound positive... [OT - bank card discussion]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le Jeudi 23 Janvier 2003 23:39, J. Greenlees a écrit : > Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 22:19, J. Greenlees wrote: > >>Visa Canada doesn't offer the debit card services here. might be > >>Canadian Banking laws stop them. > >>in the US Amex has a debit card, where you deposit money into special > >>Amex held account and use the card as a credit card, online only. ( it > >>functions as debit, but processes as credit card ) > >> > >>in canada, debit is only from the bank card not from a credit card > >> company. > > > > I should clarify - VISA and Switch just provide card processing services > > to the banks. I say my card is a VISA card, but it's not an account run > > by VISA, just as your credit card isn't actually run by VISA. The > > account is held at a normal bank, who (I guess) pay VISA to provide the > > card for them. > > same here, but if is has a credit card company logo on it then it's a > credit card, not a debit card here. > > but with the costs for use of debit cards, even if Mandrake store could > process them, it still costs more to use the online store. > > and lets face one simple fact, people will not download and install > mandrake, or buy it online, unless they are already mandrake users. the > only way to get the new, ex-windows, users is to be on the shelf in > local retail outlets, where people can see them and pick the box up on > impulse. Main for business bad behaviour : MANDRAKE owners are blind, they looks to refute that the distro out of the local retail outlet is a dreadful mistake. Should that distro be avalable on local retail, should they will save LM. I like LM, but why LM owners are holding me under the ransom of banks ? As probably some other peoples, for my freedom an life style, I am resistant to the use of bank card with full e-business. Pascal LACROIX - -- GPG Public Key available at http://pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+MlRnkEN5g66hPygRAuN6AJ9vonLti+AIUAhgCq2PkTTQmLUn5wCfT7x7 sLJFe320nOupSwIh8sczc1A= =2JOL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Broke?
can't afford to spend. After all, their survival > depends on the insistence that they can carry out this core activity > profitably. What they're saying is exactly what I'm saying - that their > core operation is sustainable but that the peripheral crap they took on > during the dotcom era is dragging the company down. > > > > This is the line MandrakeSoft has been feeding its customers for a > > > while now - "this is just a temporary problem, the rosy future is just > > > around the corner! No, actually, we lied, it's just around this NEXT > > > corner! Uh, just hold on to the next corner, would you?" It's starting > > > to wear a little thin. > > > > Now, you have the temerity to come to this list and call MandrakeSoft > > liars. What has worn clear through is the alacrity with which those > > whose knowledge and critical thinking are no more developed than yours > > will seize upon the type of FUD you espouse as yet another > > raionalization for leeching the software and bashing the distributor. > > Why don't you go 'support' an endeavor more worthy of your high > > standards? > > Oooh, do you feel big and clever now? Good, I'm glad I've served some > small part in massaging your masculinity. I support the *DISTRIBUTION* > Mandrake Linux by running Cooker and filing bug reports, the same way > everyone on this list does. MandrakeSoft, so far as I'm concerned, can > live or die by the business decisions it made; I don't consider it a > worthwhile usage of my money to bail out their lousy business choices. Pascal LACROIX - -- GPG Public Key available at http://pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+KCUtkEN5g66hPygRAqo7AJ4+rpr+b444TOo9/7VwYsAyQgkNDwCeP/wL pxy50/KY0Ff14aD/eKt9SBA= =Qetu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Broke?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le Jeudi 16 Janvier 2003 13:21, Teletchéa Stéphane a écrit : > Le jeu 16/01/2003 à 11:55, Pascal LACROIX a écrit : > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Le Jeudi 16 Janvier 2003 09:58, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 05:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote: > > > > > Could it be? > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=192 > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? > > > > > > > > It means that they have some breathing room and clearance from their > > > > debtors so that they can continue business as almost normal. It also > > > > means that we need to buckle down and try to make this company some > > > > money any way we can. > > > > As french, suggest Mandrake to be more present in shop and distributors. > > realy think it's also one problem they should work around. > > For the moment i had hardly walked arround to find LM distro. > > Be that understand, soft business run also by soft distributors next to > > your home. > > > > As that, LM will touch others peoples, those who could discover Linux. > > LM is not for "gourou" but for a large soft users population, and should > > be pushed out of it apparent confidenciality. > > Realy in France, Mandrake should work hardly in that way in order to > > save more money. > > > > > I really don't understand this position. > > > > > > MandrakeSoft is a commercial software company. It ought to be able to > > > be profitable (or at least not burn cash so fast it gets near > > > bankruptcy) through normal business operations. If not, it deserves to > > > fail. This is the logic of capitalism, the system MandrakeSoft decided > > > to exist under. Live by the sword, die by the sword. I'm not about to > > > give my money to a failing business simply to keep it alive, there are > > > charities which are in far more deserving need of it. > > > > > > I use Mandrake Linux because it's an excellent distribution. I also > > > know that, thanks to the nature of free software, the distribution is > > > not the company. If MandrakeSoft does fail...so what? Mandrake is still > > > there, the entire source code is in the open, as is the development > > > process. There's nothing at all to prevent development continuing, > > > either along Debian lines or through the formation by the Mandrake > > > developers of a new company with new financing, which would be free of > > > the large debts and obligations which are currently held by > > > MandrakeSoft, thanks to the crappy business decisions of the dot.com > > > boom era. > > > > > > > They have bought time in order to probably get the Mandrake club > > > > fortified with subscriptions, amoung other things (deals coming down > > > > the pipe that won't mature for awhile), so that they won't be > > > > throttled to death while they are running for the finish line. > > > > > > This is the line MandrakeSoft has been feeding its customers for a > > > while now - "this is just a temporary problem, the rosy future is just > > > around the corner! No, actually, we lied, it's just around this NEXT > > > corner! Uh, just hold on to the next corner, would you?" It's starting > > > to wear a little thin. > > > > Best Regards > > Pascal LACROIX > > - -- > > GPG Public Key available at http://gpg.mit.edu > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE+Jo/FkEN5g66hPygRAh3XAJ9okUFQ3jF9aiBK96TbE9/lTOzpegCfZxzw > > ght/z4uX0ozzgUB7njWiE2k= > > =TCGE > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > Fisrt of all : is the signing web site available, i cannot reach it ... > Second : about the thread. > I think the ongoing problems for Mandrake is that they don't yet offer > sufficient goodies to clients for having them buy a pack or subscribe a > club membership. > I've participated in some betas now, and i think i've paid enough (time) > to Mdk's developpment. This is the way i give it back. I'll continue > with the 9.1 release ... > I've also buy a pack for myself (8.0) and for my lab (8.1), but i'm now > using 8.2 in the lab and 9.0 at home. > In 8.2 i had a cdrom problem very annoying, and it i
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Broke?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le Jeudi 16 Janvier 2003 09:58, Adam Williamson a écrit : > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 05:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote: > > > Could it be? > > > > > > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=192 > > > > > > What does it mean? > > > > It means that they have some breathing room and clearance from their > > debtors so that they can continue business as almost normal. It also > > means that we need to buckle down and try to make this company some > > money any way we can. As french, suggest Mandrake to be more present in shop and distributors. realy think it's also one problem they should work around. For the moment i had hardly walked arround to find LM distro. Be that understand, soft business run also by soft distributors next to your home. As that, LM will touch others peoples, those who could discover Linux. LM is not for "gourou" but for a large soft users population, and should be pushed out of it apparent confidenciality. Realy in France, Mandrake should work hardly in that way in order to save more money. > > I really don't understand this position. > > MandrakeSoft is a commercial software company. It ought to be able to be > profitable (or at least not burn cash so fast it gets near bankruptcy) > through normal business operations. If not, it deserves to fail. This is > the logic of capitalism, the system MandrakeSoft decided to exist under. > Live by the sword, die by the sword. I'm not about to give my money to a > failing business simply to keep it alive, there are charities which are > in far more deserving need of it. > > I use Mandrake Linux because it's an excellent distribution. I also know > that, thanks to the nature of free software, the distribution is not the > company. If MandrakeSoft does fail...so what? Mandrake is still there, > the entire source code is in the open, as is the development process. > There's nothing at all to prevent development continuing, either along > Debian lines or through the formation by the Mandrake developers of a > new company with new financing, which would be free of the large debts > and obligations which are currently held by MandrakeSoft, thanks to the > crappy business decisions of the dot.com boom era. > > > They have bought time in order to probably get the Mandrake club > > fortified with subscriptions, amoung other things (deals coming down the > > pipe that won't mature for awhile), so that they won't be throttled to > > death while they are running for the finish line. > > This is the line MandrakeSoft has been feeding its customers for a while > now - "this is just a temporary problem, the rosy future is just around > the corner! No, actually, we lied, it's just around this NEXT corner! > Uh, just hold on to the next corner, would you?" It's starting to wear a > little thin. Best Regards Pascal LACROIX - -- GPG Public Key available at http://gpg.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Jo/FkEN5g66hPygRAh3XAJ9okUFQ3jF9aiBK96TbE9/lTOzpegCfZxzw ght/z4uX0ozzgUB7njWiE2k= =TCGE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
