Re: [Cooker] Wishlist: spam filtering

[Richard G. Houser]

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Ben Reser wrote:
| On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 07:20:30PM -0400, allen wrote:
|
|>The obvious solution if the goal is to provide something out of the box
|>that works with one or more mail clients is to dump "such" mail into
|>a spam folder of the particular user.
|
|
| Which means POP users will never see it because POP doesn't support
| "folders".  Once again there is no solution that works right in all
| insallations and configurations.  Try again.
|

POP may not support folders, but the local machine would most certainly
do so.  As a mail client is on the downstream end, POP shouldn't be a
concern.  I do think it might be worthwhile to include a most basic
fetchmail configuration GUI and an extremely basic procmail filter tool
(similar to a simple match version of what mozilla-mail supports).

Also, I've yet to check where the defaults in cooker are presently, but
last I could recall not all of the shipped mail clients were defaulting
to the same mail directories (I had to change the pinerc in 8.2 to sync
up with some other clients defaulting to ~/Mail instead of ~/mail -- not
sure, but think it was kmail).
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Re: [Cooker] Is anyone mirroring Cooker on WAIX (Western Australia)?

[Richard G. Houser]

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Leon Brooks wrote:
| I can't get more than about 1.2kb/s sustained out of any of the listed
Cooker
| mirrors, which means by the time I download the missing pieces the next
| release will be out. This is a far cry from the 150kB (yes, bytes) I was
| getting at the bandwidth party I picked up the first dose of Cooker from.
|
| If you have a Cooker mirror and free traffic through WAIX (ie, WestNet,
| ArachNet, iiNet, Comindico, CanTech, Chime, Connect.com, iQnet, SingTel,
| Starwon etc, list here:
http://www.waia.asn.au/waix/participants.shtml) can I
| please make arrangements to sponge from your mirror at a full 8kb/sec?
This
| can be done midnight-to-dawn-only, no worries, to suit your free-traffic
| requirements if necessary.
|
| I'd get ADSL, but dear Telstra assure me that I'm too far from the
exchange
| for it to work.
|
| Cheers; Leon
|

It might be worth it to you to consider purchasing a set of cooker CDs
and arrange to have them shipped via snail-express-mail.  Or, even
better, wait a week or two for the first release candidate.  Once the
feature freeze is fully in place, you can probably get a system that
changes little enough you could copy off all the files from the CDs and
do a little renaming work based off the ftp lists on the mirrors and
rsync (to only transfer the deltas) them up to date (its still going to
be very, very slow going).  I heard a mention somewhere about a script
that automates the renaming for you -- probably on this mailing list.

I'm afraid I cannot help you with the download however, as I'm in the US.
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Re: [Cooker] wine %description

[Richard G. Houser]

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Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote:

| Mandrake is not _ONLY_ targeted at "newbies", and describing wine as
| an emulator when it's not (WINE still stands for Wine Is Not an
| Emulator;) will make "hackers" think of us as stupid;)
| anyways, it's not harder than just grab the description from
| winehq.com/about
|
| From winehq.com/about:
|
| "Wine is an implementation of the Windows Win32 and Win16 APIs on top
| of X and Unix. Think of Wine as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine
| provides both a development toolkit (Winelib) for porting Windows
| sources to Unix and a program loader, allowing many unmodified Windows
| 3.x/95/98/ME/NT/W2K/XP binaries to run under Intel Unixes. Wine works
| on most popular Intel Unixes, including Linux ,
| FreeBSD , and Solaris
| .
|
| Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely
| alternative implementation consisting of 100% Microsoft-free code, but
| it can optionally use native system DLLs if they are available. Wine
| comes with complete sources, documentation and examples and is freely
| redistributable. (The licensing terms
| are the GNU Lesser General
| Public License.)"
|
| This should explain it good enough that most linux users understand
| what it's for, and if it's still not good enough it's just to explain
| it better, but still, claiming that wine is an emulator, when it's
| not, well... it's kinda ..
|
| From the wine package
|
| "%description
| This is an ALPHA release of Wine, the MS-Windows emulator.  This is
| still a developers release and many applications may still not work.
|
| This package consists of the emulator program for running windows
| executables.
|
| Wine is often updated."
|
| I actually don't think this explains it much better for those without
| much technical knowledge, and naming Wine "the MS-Windows emulator",
| that's actually quite stupid.
| Anyways the explanation from winehq is better and correct, and
| probably not more confusing for a new user than the one from the wine
| package
|
|
|
| Ben Reser wrote:
|
|> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 01:42:57AM +0200, Philippe Coulonges wrote:
|>  
|>
|>> In my response, I mistaken your message and the one from Ben Reser.
|>> Rereading it, it may look like you're the one that don't understand
|>> the difference, but he is.
|>>   
|>
|>
|> I most certianly *DO* understand the difference.  But you're applying
|> the term emulator to only processor emulation which is certainly a fine
|> distinction that maybe hackers make, but the dictionary and common users
|> do not make!  And considering that for the most part Mandrake is for
|> common users not hackers (though some of us use Mandrake) we should be
|> using language common users understand not elitist hacker definitions.
|>
|>  
|>
|
|
Anyone else think it might be beneficial to either include the words
"wrapper" or "compatibility layer" in this description?  These two come
to my mind immediately whenever I think of WINE.  As an added bonus for
the "wrapper" description, many of the Windows gamers that started at
least 2+ years ago are likely to be familiar with Glide or OpenGL
wrappers.  A lot of drivers just before that had buggy OpenGL support
and some applications only supported the proprietary Glide API so these
wrapper DLLs were a must to use many programs with the newer hardware.
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Re: [Cooker] kernel and kernel-source versioning?

[Richard G. Houser]

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On 15 Aug 2002, Adam Williamson wrote:

> Something interesting just came up in the IRC channel. I noticed that
> kernel packages are currently named as follows:
> 
> kernel-W.X.Y.Zmdk
> 
> (e.g. kernel-2.4.19.3mdk)
> 
> but kernel-source packages are named:
> 
> kernel-source-W.X.Y-Zmdk
> 
> (e.g. kernel-source-2.4.19-3mdk)
> 
> the practical upshot of this is that when you do urpmi --auto-select
> after a new kernel release, kernel-source will be automatically updated
> to the new kernel version, but your kernel itself won't be. You have to
> urpmi the new kernel manually.
> 
> Surely this is bad? It leaves you with a source tree and an actual
> kernel which don't match, which could mess some things up (the nvidia
> drivers spring to mind as an example.) Is there a reason for this?
> 

I'm not certain this is such a bad thing, when installing another source 
version, the sources go in the /usr/src/linux-x.y.zz directory, and a 
simlink to the current kernel version is created into /usr/src/linux.  
Similar situation with the vmlinuz, intird, etc when installing a new 
kernel (plus it gets added to the lilo config -- gotta remember to run 
lilo after each -- otherwise bombs on my install of 8.2)
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Re: [Cooker] Theregister 8.2 review

[Richard G. Houser]

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I've actually been looking for the name of that simple firewall 
wizard package since I reinstalled Mandrake 8.2 (really not the OS's 
fault, I had a family member decide it was a good idea to unplug the 
server between the box and it's UPS which resulted in the HDD spraying 
garbage all over the drive).  Anyhow, would anyone happen to remember the 
name of that RPM?  Mandrake comes with a LOT and I've looked through the 
list a couple times now and still can't seem to find it.  I'm looking for 
the graphical wizard that allows you to set the allowed services in the 
firewall config for incomming, yet retain all outgoing ports through the NAT.
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