Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 + 8.0 bloated and resource hog!

2001-03-10 Thread Tristram Ellicott

Instead of second guessing what people might need or want, why not ask???
During install ask some simple questions:

You have installed a web server (apache), do you want it to start 
automatically [yes] [no]
You have installed blah blah ...

Maybe with context sensitive help for each service


> >
> > Alexander Skwar wrote:
> > > Hmm, thinking about it - hmm, as Mandrake is targeted at the newbie 
> kind of
> > > user, I begin to think that even after an install, a service should 
> default
> > > to being turned off.  Yes, it's beginning to make sense.  If someone 
> knows
> > > that he wants something, than it's easier for him to turn the service
> > > intentionally on.
> > AGREE.
> >
> > > But then again, someone may not know what he wants.  Suppose a new linux
> > > user, who just read, that linux comes with an email server.  He knows 
> that
> > > he wants an email server, but fails to see that postfix is an email 
> server.
> > > Now the service is turned off - he comes to the conclusion, that 
> "Linux is
> > > not working" because he expected to have an email server when installing
> > > Linux.  What about these kind of users?
> >
> > It makes much more perfect sense to write a message in a dialog box
> > after install: "Dear user, your servers are not turned on by default so
> > that you can choose which one you want to run by yourself. If you need
> > it, log in as root user and type drakxservices from the console and
> > start the services that you need for your servers. If you only want to
> > run Mandrake as a desktop/development workstation, you don't have to
> > turn on any services so that your computer is optimized for desktop. To
> > update Mandrake, you can run Mandrake Update Robot if you user your
> > computer as a server or rpmdrake for Desktop user"
>
>The problem with that is that you want to run some services. Of the top of 
>my head i guess xfs would be essental for a desktop user. Maybe the 
>services should be partioned into desktop and server services.
>
>
> >
> > Another good idea is, try installing Caldera OpenDesktop 2.4 and you'll
> > see that login boot screen says "anacron [Enabled], crond [Enabled],
> > apache [Disabled],  portmap [Disabled], nfs [Disabled], etc etc etc"
> > However, Caldera still doesn't turn them off by default, which is bad.
> >
> > > Yes, this should not happen.  Upgrading packages should not change the
> > > whether a service is turned on or off.
> > Of course it should NEVER happen. I don't understand why the packaging
> > forces us to run these unwanted services :-(
> >
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> >





Re: [Cooker] YOU DID IT TO ME AGAIN!! FIX THE SENDMAIL PACKAGERIGHT NOW!!I c

2000-11-26 Thread Tristram Ellicott

Dear "YOU DID IT TO ME AGAIN!!"
If you fixed it yourself and contributed that fix, instead of having a 
tantrum, you would no longer be a poor helpless demanding victim.
But then again, maybe that is what you prefer.
Hope that helps