Re: [Cooker] And next ?
Laurent Montel wrote: Le Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:27, Texstar a écrit : On Tuesday 30 September 2003 01:09 am, Randy Welch wrote: Eddie wrote: Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this Do you know Debian ? and it is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can install what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or gurpmi it still installs all the packages as before because of dependencies. Please go back to the way it was, it was s easier to keep track of. Eddie Mihalow Jr-Silver Club Member Oh I agree on this one. I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it will com back to bite mandrake. Keep It simple! -randy And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate rpms just doesnt make sense. Why ? Do you know libification ? Regards. Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE!
Re: [Cooker] And next ?
Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and it is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can install what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or gurpmi it still installs all the packages as before because of dependencies. Please go back to the way it was, it was s easier to keep track of. Eddie Mihalow Jr-Silver Club Member
Re: [Cooker] More mirror madness
Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 16:26, Dave Cotton wrote: Before I "retired" to France I worked in the UK as head of R&D for the market leader in specialist software used in the construction industry. If I caused this much havoc to our customers, with the financial consequences to them, I would have been hung out to dry. Cooker has nothing at all to do with "customers". Cooker is for volunteer beta testers. That's what we are. After reading all your posts in regard to this problem I get the impression that you truly do not understand the problem at all. The "testers" are the customers! And if this is the way that Mandrakesoft runs their testing program why would anyone care to buy their product if they can not handle mirror syncs, do you get my drift Sparky?
Re: [Cooker] Bootsplash submissions -- round 2
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Hello again, Here is a page containing my original bootsplash along with some revisions based on some of the comments that were posted in response to my first submission. http://www.bfcomputerconsulting.com/mandrake/mandrake_bootsplash.html As before... I'm new at this--so be gentle, but *honest*. ps.- Did the page wake you up? ;-) You did it! The silent one is the one Mandrake should use! Very nice indeed!
Re: [Cooker] Bootsplash submissions
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Hello all, Are you taking submissions for bootsplash designs? If so, I'd like to add mine. If not, I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time. http://bfcomputerconsulting.com/images/mandrake_splash.jpg I think it would look OK on a corporate desktop, but that's just my opinion. Any comments? Be gentle. ;-) I really like this bootsplash. It is clean and, I think much better than the other submission. That's only my opinion tho'
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] kernel-multimedia-2.4.21.1mm.6mdk-1-1mdk
Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le mar 12/08/2003 à 14:26, Buchan Milne a écrit : FACORAT Fabrice wrote: I just wonder if kernel-multimedia should not be included by default when the user make a desktop install ( ok, there is not really a desktop/server class during install, so maybe propose if the user want to optimise is system for multimedia and if Y, then install kernel-multimedia instead of standard kernel ). mm kernel is in contrib => not on CDs. so it may be on CD. Must go into main first. Here are my points : - normal user need a working supermount ( no erratic CDROM/floppy access pb, no pb when transfering a large file from CDROM to HD ). Most of the time we advise mdk to newbies because they will have a simple installation, good config tools, and ... supermount. Indeed newcomers don't appreciate and understand well mount/umount mecanism and they are fed up with it when they try to change the CD and they can't because of a console or even fam after having access it wia konqueror. So supermount-ng is interesting for them. Supermount should work in the stock kernel, or should be removed. MCSE-style server administrators also want reliable access to CDs. supermount is not a necessity, No, it's a convenience, which newbies should enjoy. and MSCE-style server administrators are bad IMHO. They have to start somewhere, and they are a big market. Anyway, RH has automount enabled by defualt on their GPL edition. But mp3 support has nothing to do with kernel patches really. yeah, it as to do with putting bledding edge features, and what desktop users wants. Mp3 isn't a bleeding edge feature I think. RH target enterprise ( workstation/server ) and most of the time they don't need mp3 and in order to not have pb with patents ( USA lawyers are sometimes crazy ) they don't put mp3. Mandrakesoft approached Thompson, but RH claims their lack of support for MP3 is a software patent protest. But desktop users complains about that. standard kernel should be for server like activities : best stability, throughput, acl, security, scalability. You don't need supermount on a server, or low latency. [*] Note : kernel enterprise is suitable is you have more than 1Gb of RAM. if your server have less, you end up with normal kernel, so kernel-enterprise is for server with ... many RAM. Now if with HIGHMEM support a kernel is not slower or too slower than a kernel without it, standard kernel could be remove and so u have just kernel-enterprise, kernel-smp and kernel-secure. What about low-end servers?? We have a P133/32MB firewall (currently MNF8.2), I don't want to lose some ram to HIGHMEM support. so that's why I ask if there are issues with HIGHMEM support. So you point one ( mem consumption ). others one ? Now you can even balances advantages/issues in order to see what to do. Does mdksoft want to target low-end server, etc ... When we could be stealing market share from RH AS 2.1 or SLES 8, the only distro's certified for Oracle clusters? I don't think we can afford to not target low-end. Hmmm, should be more stable than the competition, which is not trivial these days. at least more stable than windows. stable enough means to me that if you can't have an uptime of 2 years with a daily normal use, it's not a problem. So I understand if Juan Quintela don't want to include supermount-ng, Instead, include a supermount with known bugs? It's what mdksoft do and seems to keep doing ... And you think it's better having a desktop kernel available than to have more bugs fixed in the default kernel? Should we not have the updated from Thomas fixing server drivers (is AIC7xxx in stock kernel up-to-date now?). low-latency and maybe other fancy stuff. But for desktop user ... it's good for server, maybe workstation, but not for desktop user. Most of the time they want bleeding edge. Ok, mdk provide kernel-multimedia on third CD, and ? Are you going to tell the user to install by hand this kernel after the install ? and if they are using for example nvidia drivers ? they install kernel-multimedia, reboot, black screen, "help, help ... blabla - you need to reinstall nvidia drivers - how can i do it ? Well where did they get NVidia drivers for their kernel? http://www.nvidia.com and most of them will go there, and most people will advise them to go there, and as windows users they will tend to go there. Well, then they know how to fix it, they can't complain "help, black screen". We could consider making NVidia driver RPMS for mm kernel for Club for example. maybe, but most of them won't be in mdkclub. Maybe more will be in MandrakeClub when they realise it provides things like this (ie being able to setup Nvidia via XFdrake after entering Club memberhip details should work, not command-line use at all). IMHO, Juan needs to apply the patches sent to him, otherwise the stock kernel has problems in either role. providing one
Re: [Cooker] urpmi features
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Jason Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: All my point was, was that there are many functionalities of URPMI (indeed many Mandrake config/admin utils) not available graphically. If these could be made available via a GUI then more newbies would experience their power and advertise it via word of mouth. Not all options are good in the GUI, because maintaining a complicated tool costs time, and maintaining a GUI even more. Some advanced options are not a problem only available in commandline. Then you should talk to Texstar @ Pclinuxonline. He had a great system with apt-get and Synaptic that worked with a Gui and worked wonderful, although he doesn't have the time to maintain two update mirrors. If one guy can maintain a program like that, why can't Mandrake?
[Cooker] HyperThreading w/ Intel 3.0
I am curious if anyone on the list has been able to install 9.1 (w/ latest kernel) w/ HyperThreading installed and working using the new Intel 3.0 CPU? Edward A Mihalow Jr Silver Club Member
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
Cláudio Roger wrote:
ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF
Buchan Milne wrote:
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Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
we did get mails from some morons who said that they don't want to buy
us because we are French and don't support the war.
Hail we are like this we like to eat Camembert, drink Wine and make
love :-p
And are they going to start boycotting British products now too?
Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ...
Buchan
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Re: [Cooker] WOW OT post count
James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 08:48, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 16:26, Brook Humphrey wrote: I just looked at my mailbox for this list and there has been approximately 45000 emails to this list in the last year. I had no idea kmail was holding 45000 email for just this one list. Looks like I need to do some cleaning. For Cooker and CHRPM combined there've been 20,000 just since the middle of January... 28413 for cooker alone and a total e-mail count of just over 80,000 e-mails in Evolution and still going strong. James
Re: [Cooker] Fails To Install-DHCP
Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 eddie wrote: Also cannot mount either my cdrw or dvdrom w/ a link on the desktop. If I use desktop menu to add device "cdrom" w/ dev/scd0 I cannot mount it because it says "only root can mount device" Any advice to get this working? AFAIK, rc2 uses supermount by default, so you should not need to mount any devices. - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+Z2PIrJK6UGDSBKcRAqQsAKCNnfhXhTGXGIrOCRYAICOlWslPXgCcCOy5 pmF5oCN/jzIoBG2Y1NMg4jc= =wUxt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Buchan, I was able to resolve the problem by disabling supermount. After that I was able to add "cdrw" and dvdrom" to my desktop with the correct links to dev/scd0 and dev/hdd. The options to add these entries were available using "add cd/dvd rom device" after disabling supermount but not before. Eddie Mihalow Jr Silver Club Member
Re: [Cooker] Fails To Install-DHCP
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: When installing RC2 I followed cybercfo's suggestion and did not reconfig networking and let the installer configure my lan connection (2 computers connecting thru a Linksys router w/ DSL) . No Gnome problem, but also no internet connection either. Although drakconnect correctly configured my connection as DHCP DHCPCD was *not* installed and I had to install it to get my internet connection. Was working fine in 9.0 on install. This needs to be fixed and soon! give us (this list) /root/drakx/report.bug.gz and soon! I tried using "/root/drakx/report.bug.gz" as a user and as su, it said permission denied. The reason I said "and soon is because I have had this problem in all 9.1 installs. Also cannot mount either my cdrw or dvdrom w/ a link on the desktop. If I use desktop menu to add device "cdrom" w/ dev/scd0 I cannot mount it because it says "only root can mount device" Any advice to get this working?
[Cooker] Fails To Install-DHCP
When installing RC2 I followed cybercfo's suggestion and did not reconfig networking and let the installer configure my lan connection (2 computers connecting thru a Linksys router w/ DSL) . No Gnome problem, but also no internet connection either. Although drakconnect correctly configured my connection as DHCP DHCPCD was *not* installed and I had to install it to get my internet connection. Was working fine in 9.0 on install. This needs to be fixed and soon!
