Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Thierry Vignaud wrote: do you really get fs corruption as of october ? No, I understand now, it reboots after the file checking. So it handles it nicely now. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Eric Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 > > > >It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. > > > >Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested > >quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. > > > >Regards, > >Buchan > > > > Yep, I definitely confirm on a new 9.2 install + updates. Of course, > if bootsplash is not silent (after pressing escape). do you really get fs corruption as of october ?
Re[2]: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Galileo wrote: > dmo> Does it still do that? I talked about this with Thierry a while ago and he > dmo> promised me the journal is updated before the filesystem check (which is > dmo> the best thing, journal update doesn't necessarily fix all errors). > dmo> In 9.1 the journal was certainly not updated before fs check. > Maybe a stupid an offtopic question but what about xfs. > I have a customer with few bad machines (nforce chipset). > He has corruption on the / filesistem very often but none on /home. > I know that checking of xfs filesystem should be automatic but only > thing that helps is to boot a rescue and manually check the / . > btw this is with ml 9.1 > xfs shouldn't be affected by this specific problem. d. > > > >
Re[2]: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
dmo> Does it still do that? I talked about this with Thierry a while ago and he dmo> promised me the journal is updated before the filesystem check (which is dmo> the best thing, journal update doesn't necessarily fix all errors). dmo> In 9.1 the journal was certainly not updated before fs check. Maybe a stupid an offtopic question but what about xfs. I have a customer with few bad machines (nforce chipset). He has corruption on the / filesistem very often but none on /home. I know that checking of xfs filesystem should be automatic but only thing that helps is to boot a rescue and manually check the / . btw this is with ml 9.1
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
i am having this exact problem, the init-script run fsck, and not the default kernel does not boot. the important lines say: mounting root filesystem on ide0(3,8) mount error 22 mounting ext3 defaults ext3 no journal on filesystem on ide0(3,8) using a self compiled 2.6 kernel (with ext3 built in) i can boot this machine. can anyone guide me fixing the default mandrake kernel boot? (fsck run ok gives no errors while botting the rescue disk) - diego
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
FACORAT Fabrice wrote: I suffer from this too. But normally this has been corrected. If you launch filesystem check, the system should reboot automatically after. There are two interpretations for "misleading" here. The original complaint was that the message gave the impression you had to fsck an ext3 system. But the message is misleading even for ext2, since it doesn't accurately convey what happens if you do or do not press Y. As far as I can tell, if you don't press Y when the message appears during the first boot after an unclean shutdown, it runs e2fsck and reboots anyway. On the reboot, you'll get the same message. But this time, if you don't press Y, it will find that the partition is now "clean" and continue the boot. If you do, I think it redoes the e2fsck and reboots again (this is from memory, I'm not sure of it). I'm guessing that the old code drove the message solely from whether the partition was marked unclean or not, so that if it ran fsck and rebooted, you wouldn't get the message at all during the reboot. It looks like the new code separates the state of the partition from how you respond to the message, and will only consider the state of the partition if you don't press Y. If this is the case, then on the reboot a better message would be "Your system appears to have shut down uncleanly, and it has not yet successfully rebooted although the root filesystem has been checked and now appears clean. Press Y within 5 seconds to force another check/reboot cycle, otherwise this boot will continue." Is there any point to even showing the message on the reboot if the root partition now shows as clean ?
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
FACORAT Fabrice wrote: I suffer from this too. But normally this has been corrected. If you launch filesystem check, the system should reboot automatically after. OK, actually since I got a disaster with it, I did not dare doing it again. I can check on the "experimental" 9.2 computer I have. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Eric Fernandez wrote: > > Buchan Milne wrote: > >> Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 >> >> It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. >> >> Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested >> quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. >> > I am sure it still does it on my cooker box. I'll check again on the > fresh box and will report. Be very sure what you are reproducing. I can reproduce the notice, but not the data corruption (which was very easy to reproduce on 9.1 if you don't look carefully). On 9.1, you will first see a notice "REBOOT LINUX", and then further down the page it will wait for you to confirm running fsck (but not time out, wait until you answer). It is if you answer yes here that you get data corruption. On 9.2, you never get there, since instead of the REBOOT LINUX notice, the machine automatically reboots. Regards, Buchan -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Buchan Milne wrote: Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. Regards, Buchan Yep, I definitely confirm on a new 9.2 install + updates. Of course, if bootsplash is not silent (after pressing escape). Eric
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Le ven 31/10/2003 à 16:04, Eric Fernandez a écrit : > In case of a hard-reset, init messages indicate the computer was not > shut down cleanly, and a message appear : > "Press Y within 5 seconds to force the file system check" > > Actually this is very misleading : if you do it with ext3, it does NOT > use the journal and then you will experience system losses. Lots of > newbies have reported that problem. Now that would be nice to change > this message so that people leave the journalisation do the good work. I suffer from this too. But normally this has been corrected. If you launch filesystem check, the system should reboot automatically after. -- Deux suretes valent mieux qu'une... -- Jean de La Fontaine, Le Loup, la Chevre et le Chevreau
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:12:50 +0200 Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribed on electronic parchment: > Eric Fernandez wrote: > > In case of a hard-reset, init messages indicate the computer was not > > shut down cleanly, and a message appear : > > "Press Y within 5 seconds to force the file system check" > > > > Actually this is very misleading : if you do it with ext3, it does NOT > > use the journal and then you will experience system losses. Lots of > > newbies have reported that problem. Now that would be nice to change > > this message so that people leave the journalisation do the good work. > > Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 > > It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. > > Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested > quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. I just turned off my 9.2 cooker box and got the message at boot: "Your system appears to have not shut down cleanly (typed from memory) Press Y within 5 seconds to force the file system check" This is cooker 9.2 (shows FiveStar) with 2.4.22-21mdk on an i686 Tim -- I often read this forum on my PDA, please use plain text! _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Buchan Milne wrote: Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. Regards, Buchan I am sure it still does it on my cooker box. I'll check again on the fresh box and will report. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Eric Fernandez wrote: > In case of a hard-reset, init messages indicate the computer was not > shut down cleanly, and a message appear : > "Press Y within 5 seconds to force the file system check" > > Actually this is very misleading : if you do it with ext3, it does NOT > use the journal and then you will experience system losses. Lots of > newbies have reported that problem. Now that would be nice to change > this message so that people leave the journalisation do the good work. > > Eric > Does it still do that? I talked about this with Thierry a while ago and he promised me the journal is updated before the filesystem check (which is the best thing, journal update doesn't necessarily fix all errors). In 9.1 the journal was certainly not updated before fs check. If you can verify that it is still not fixed we need an update for this because it ruins many systems. d. >
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Eric Fernandez wrote: > In case of a hard-reset, init messages indicate the computer was not > shut down cleanly, and a message appear : > "Press Y within 5 seconds to force the file system check" > > Actually this is very misleading : if you do it with ext3, it does NOT > use the journal and then you will experience system losses. Lots of > newbies have reported that problem. Now that would be nice to change > this message so that people leave the journalisation do the good work. Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. Regards, Buchan -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
[Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
In case of a hard-reset, init messages indicate the computer was not shut down cleanly, and a message appear : "Press Y within 5 seconds to force the file system check" Actually this is very misleading : if you do it with ext3, it does NOT use the journal and then you will experience system losses. Lots of newbies have reported that problem. Now that would be nice to change this message so that people leave the journalisation do the good work. Eric
