[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Severity|normal |enhancement --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-28 09:59 --- So it is a deliberate decision to use nonantialiased fonts? I hope you know what you are doing... I just want to point out that 1) people who have a good sight and an LCD monitor simply hate to browse the web without antiliasing, because of the mach-banding effect. If you don't know what mach-banding is, then you definitely DON'T know what you are doing. You can ask me if you are interested. (BTW, this is why MS introduced cleartype when LCDs came out. It is explicitly stated.) 2) It can look like a very anachronistic choice, especially for someone who comes from windows xp. For those reasons, I believe that nonantialiased fonts should not be the DEFAULT. PS: Sorry for filing it as a bug, I switched to enhancement. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-28 12:30 --- Fonts are anti-aliased by default in everything except GTK-1.x applications since Mandrake 9.1 in default installations. Either: 1)Try with a different user account or remove your ~/.fonts.conf (I think) 2)Tell us which version of freetype2 you have installed: $ rpm -q freetype2 Fonts look fine for me and have for a long time. Note, there are some other options available for users of LCD monitors, like sub-pixel hinting, which can be set in the KDE Control Center or with 'gnome-font-properties' Maybe it would help to attach a small screenshot of an affected site (otherwise it is difficult to compare fonts). -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-28 12:54 --- Created an attachment (id=939) -- (http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/attachment.cgi?id=939action=view) jpg image showing jagged fonts by default This is from a fresh install of mandrake 9.2. It shows that some sites do not have antialiased fonts. 9.1 has the same problem. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-28 12:57 --- the choice is not made by the distribution. it's made by the website. most mdksoft websites have helvetica as the first-choice font, a font that on most *nix systems is a rather crappy-looking non-TTF font. there's nothing to fix in the distribution, the fix needs to be on the websites. this has been discussed at length on the Cooker list, where the conclusion seemed to be ask the website guy to fix it, and he won't do it. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-28 13:22 --- A site is flawed if it uses helvetica? Please consider: 1) Redhat 9 and debian sid don't have that problem. (They tweak fonts.conf). 2) IMHO, the flaw is in mandrake's fontconfig, where helvetica is mapped to a nonantialiased fonts. Come on, you CAN set up fontconfig in order to have helvetica point at something else. It is called font aliasing, I think. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-28 13:32 --- helvetica isn't mapped to anything. we have a font in the distribution called helvetica, which is used when a website calls for a font named helvetica. sounds logical to me. sure we could include an out-of-box fonts.conf tweak to point it at sans instead, but what if for some reason someone actually WANTS to use helvetica? it's a bit odd to make them go hack a text file to get a request for helvetica to return the font called helvetica. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-28 13:43 --- we could include an out-of-box fonts.conf tweak to point it at sans instead, but what if for some reason someone actually WANTS to use helvetica? It is an unrealistic hypothesis. The kind of guy you described hardly uses mandrake, preferring debian or something like it. However, let us suppose it. IF someone is so mentally disturbed he wants to use a non antialiased font like helvetica, then he is a MINORITY, so HE should tweak fonts.conf. (Or better, he should go to the mandrake control center and find an options to reenable nonantialiased fonts). It simply cannot be the default: 99% user don't care about helvetica and do not know what it is. The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few (star trek :-) ). -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Ever Confirmed||1 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-28 13:59 --- You'll be happy, Giuseppe has been working on a patched fonts.conf which will use anti-aliased fonts for most (if not all) web pages.. Now, Young Padawah, you need to wait for cooker to re-open :) -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-28 14:05 --- well, star trek by way of j.s. mill... fcrozat, it's padawan :) -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
[Cooker] [Bug 6228] [fontconfig] Some sites have jagged fonts
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6228 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-10-26 16:51 --- edit /etc/fonts/fonts.conf . if what you want is handholding to do this, then this is an enhancement request, not a bug, and should be filed as such. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: No matter what browser I use, and what fonts I use in the kde/gnome control center, when I go to some sites I always get nonantialiased, jagged fonts. For example the mandrake club. This is very ugly: just look at the italic fonts. Also non italic fonts are not ok: small fonts do look well, but medium and large fonts don't. I would like an option in the mandrake control center to say always use antialiased fonts for WEB-BROWSING. (On the other hand, I still want to use the default font in konsole, which is not antialiasing). Debian's fontconfig prompts you with that question. Better yet would be: always use antialiased fonts if the font size is over XXX.
