Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
FACORAT Fabrice wrote: sndconfig was acting the same way ( play a sound and ask if you hear the sound correctly ) Yes, but that would be interesting to make it test both alsa and oss corresponding drivers. Eric
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
Le mar 23/09/2003 à 12:54, Adam Williamson a écrit : > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 12:19, Eric Fernandez wrote: > > Why make it a supplementary step ? > > At the end of the install, there is table with all detected devices and > > for each one, a configuration button, despite the installer indicates a > > default setting. It is already the case for the graphics card and the > > network. For the sound card, you would press "configure", then it would > > play a song, do you hear it ? "yes" -> let's continue "no" -> it tries > > the other driver. A user, even newbie, is not dumb, when things are > > explained the simple way : step 1 : OSS, do you hear sound ? step 2: > > Alsa : do you hear sound ? I think it is not confusing and on the > > contrary a good way to deal with particular hardware that could not be > > tested. And it would not be a supplementary step, just the new feature > > of the "Configure" button. > Okay, that sounds better. Still not 100% sure it's necessary, but I > certainly wouldn't complain about it. sndconfig was acting the same way ( play a sound and ask if you hear the sound correctly )
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 12:19, Eric Fernandez wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > >I don't like it. In most cases, it would be a needless extra step, and > >could well cause confusion. I think the current ploy of just trying to > >get the right default for each piece of hardware is correct. > > > > > Why make it a supplementary step ? > At the end of the install, there is table with all detected devices and > for each one, a configuration button, despite the installer indicates a > default setting. It is already the case for the graphics card and the > network. For the sound card, you would press "configure", then it would > play a song, do you hear it ? "yes" -> let's continue "no" -> it tries > the other driver. A user, even newbie, is not dumb, when things are > explained the simple way : step 1 : OSS, do you hear sound ? step 2: > Alsa : do you hear sound ? I think it is not confusing and on the > contrary a good way to deal with particular hardware that could not be > tested. And it would not be a supplementary step, just the new feature > of the "Configure" button. > > Moreover, this could be integrated to soundrake : make it clearer about > the two kinds of driver and offer a testing procedure for sound. Okay, that sounds better. Still not 100% sure it's necessary, but I certainly wouldn't complain about it. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
Adam Williamson wrote: I don't like it. In most cases, it would be a needless extra step, and could well cause confusion. I think the current ploy of just trying to get the right default for each piece of hardware is correct. Why make it a supplementary step ? At the end of the install, there is table with all detected devices and for each one, a configuration button, despite the installer indicates a default setting. It is already the case for the graphics card and the network. For the sound card, you would press "configure", then it would play a song, do you hear it ? "yes" -> let's continue "no" -> it tries the other driver. A user, even newbie, is not dumb, when things are explained the simple way : step 1 : OSS, do you hear sound ? step 2: Alsa : do you hear sound ? I think it is not confusing and on the contrary a good way to deal with particular hardware that could not be tested. And it would not be a supplementary step, just the new feature of the "Configure" button. Moreover, this could be integrated to soundrake : make it clearer about the two kinds of driver and offer a testing procedure for sound. Eric
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
Add OSS is likely to die soon, so why waste effort to support it ? -- do you happen to have a list of cards NOT supported by ALSA but supported by OSS? remove any isa cards (wouldn't run current mandrake) if the number of cards is more than a dozen that would be why likely to die soon is not DEAD (companies survive Chapter 11 you know)
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
Ainsi parlait Adam Williamson : > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 09:01, Eric Fernandez wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > >I think it's pretty hard to pick which > > >should be the default. Even if it ought to be ALSA, it's by no means as > > >clear-cut a decision as this particular user's experience indicates. > > > > Except if the installer offered the possibility to test audio at install > > > > : first with OSS driver, then with Alsa, asking the user to say if he > > > > hear a sound. WDYT ? It could be a nice feature for the 10. > > I don't like it. In most cases, it would be a needless extra step, and > could well cause confusion. I think the current ploy of just trying to > get the right default for each piece of hardware is correct. Add OSS is likely to die soon, so why waste effort to support it ? -- You can lead a man to slaughter, but you can't make him think -- Sad Truths of Life n°13
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 09:01, Eric Fernandez wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > >I think it's pretty hard to pick which > >should be the default. Even if it ought to be ALSA, it's by no means as > >clear-cut a decision as this particular user's experience indicates. > > > > > Except if the installer offered the possibility to test audio at install > : first with OSS driver, then with Alsa, asking the user to say if he > hear a sound. WDYT ? It could be a nice feature for the 10. I don't like it. In most cases, it would be a needless extra step, and could well cause confusion. I think the current ploy of just trying to get the right default for each piece of hardware is correct. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
Adam Williamson wrote: I think it's pretty hard to pick which should be the default. Even if it ought to be ALSA, it's by no means as clear-cut a decision as this particular user's experience indicates. Except if the installer offered the possibility to test audio at install : first with OSS driver, then with Alsa, asking the user to say if he hear a sound. WDYT ? It could be a nice feature for the 10.
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 00:17, Pierre Jarillon wrote: > Perhaps is it useful ? I just receive from [Alsa-user] > It is a problem with Mdk 9.1 but Mdk 9.2 is not very different. > > [Alsa-user] ALSA Fix!!! > > I finally got it right! Ok I am running Mandrake 9.1 on a Sony > PCG-V505BX. My original modules.conf was this: > > probeall scsi_hostadapter usb-storage ide-scsi > probeall usb-interface usb-ohci ehci-hcd > alias eth0 e100 > alias sound-slot-0 i810_audio > alias char-major-10-250 sonypi > options sonypi minor=250 > > So I thought "Hey I have a Sony Desktop with the same distro that has > ASLA working on a i810 chipset". I took what I found in that > modules.conf and changed mine to this: > > probeall scsi_hostadapter usb-storage ide-scsi > probeall usb-interface usb-ohci ehci-hcd > alias eth0 e100 > above snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm-oss > alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 > options sonypi minor=250 > > Apparently Mandrake does not probe this card correctly during install. > This may fix other distros too! Hope this helps the rest of you too. ;) > One more thing. Run it for a bit. For some reason it does not work with > all apps right away. Let me know if you want a workaround with that too. So...to cut all the BS, he changed from the OSS/Free driver to the ALSA driver. Woo. the i810_audio (OSS/Free) and snd-intel8x0 (ALSA) drivers support a rather wide range of hardware, and I think each is better on some particular variations. I think it's pretty hard to pick which should be the default. Even if it ought to be ALSA, it's by no means as clear-cut a decision as this particular user's experience indicates. -- adamw
[Cooker] ALSA fix
Perhaps is it useful ? I just receive from [Alsa-user] It is a problem with Mdk 9.1 but Mdk 9.2 is not very different. [Alsa-user] ALSA Fix!!! I finally got it right! Ok I am running Mandrake 9.1 on a Sony PCG-V505BX. My original modules.conf was this: probeall scsi_hostadapter usb-storage ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-ohci ehci-hcd alias eth0 e100 alias sound-slot-0 i810_audio alias char-major-10-250 sonypi options sonypi minor=250 So I thought "Hey I have a Sony Desktop with the same distro that has ASLA working on a i810 chipset". I took what I found in that modules.conf and changed mine to this: probeall scsi_hostadapter usb-storage ide-scsi probeall usb-interface usb-ohci ehci-hcd alias eth0 e100 above snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 options sonypi minor=250 Apparently Mandrake does not probe this card correctly during install. This may fix other distros too! Hope this helps the rest of you too. ;) One more thing. Run it for a bit. For some reason it does not work with all apps right away. Let me know if you want a workaround with that too. Jonathan C. Sitte -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
