Re: [Cooker] Another ideas for Mandrake 10.0...
On 8 Nov 2003, Owyn wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 06:30, Simon Oosthoek wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 05:34:16AM +0100, BOUTELIER S?bastien wrote: > > > - Is it possible to have an ISO of update (in fact a copy of directory > > > - updates with some corrections if needed), and each week the ISO is > > > - updated with the new updates. During the installation, the installer > > > - asks to connect to internet or if the user have a CD to update. I think > > > - you can put new version of installer and kernel on the update CD if > > > - there is a problem so no need to change main ISO if there is a problem. > You can do this now. I created an Update92CD by mirroring the > Mandrake/updates/9.2 tree from ftp.nluug.nl , burning a CD, and using > urpmi.addmedia to add the CD as an update source. This is not the same as he is suggesting; if I recall correctly, you have to reboot at least once (using the newly installed system) in order to be able to update (unless you have a backup system, but then it's pointless anyway). Using his approach, you do not need to invoke any kernels (BOOT and 'regular' ones) which are on the first ISO! For example, we had the problem here that on one box, only the BOOT kernel during install could be used--without network access (third-party driver had to be recompiled) we were lucky to use recue mode and install the -21 kernels from usb stick. I'd highly appreciate if MDK10.0 will support this! (and, whilst wishing: could we finally see a "back" button during install? :) Ad astra, -- Dipl.-Inf. Markus Ueberall Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universität Tel: (069)798-28361 Fax: -23340Institut für Informatik / Telematik
Re: [Cooker] Another ideas for Mandrake 10.0...
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 06:30, Simon Oosthoek wrote: > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 05:34:16AM +0100, BOUTELIER S?bastien wrote: > > > > - Is it possible to have an ISO of update (in fact a copy of directory > > - updates with some corrections if needed), and each week the ISO is > > - updated with the new updates. During the installation, the installer > > - asks to connect to internet or if the user have a CD to update. I think > > - you can put new version of installer and kernel on the update CD if > > - there is a problem so no need to change main ISO if there is a problem. > > - Naturally, the ISO is optional for the install but it can be very useful > > - for those who haven't internet. > > > > I like this idea, sometimes it's not possible to connect to the internet > (e.g. if you have dhcp as only option and bug #5669 isn't fixed yet) > or if you're installing a standalone machine. Whenever you download the > distribution you always have the most uptodate packages. > > Of course sometimes a CD is faster than an internet connection and sometimes > it's not possible (or too difficult) to create a local mirror if you have a > lot of machines to update (lame excuse, I know, but it might help newbies ;-) > > Cheers > > Simon > > You can do this now. I created an Update92CD by mirroring the Mandrake/updates/9.2 tree from ftp.nluug.nl , burning a CD, and using urpmi.addmedia to add the CD as an update source. The CD is used to support dial up users.
Re: [Cooker] Another ideas for Mandrake 10.0...
On Saturday 08 November 2003 06:34, BOUTELIER Sébastien rakstija: > - Is it possible to have an ISO of update (in fact a copy of directory > updates with some corrections if needed), and each week the ISO is updated > with the new updates. That's interesting that http://www.budgetlinuxcds.com already offer such CD disks with updates, now more than 400 Mb, along with other Mandrake 9.2 related CD's. Right after installation from Download Ed. 3 CD's one can add such CD as additional update source in Media Manager and easily install anything he needs to. Besides, they offer also _all_ 9.2 Contribs on 4 CD's which is also good for people with slower Internet connections or without them. I have no relation with this webstore other than very satisfied customer. But still waiting while my long ago pre-ordered Powerpack DVD will (hopefully) arrive, it is better to have at least BudgetLinux disks. Besides, these BudgetLinux disks will be necesary anyway because AFAIK we will receive uncorrected DVD's full of initial errors from MandrakeStore, so CD with Updates and 4 CD's with Contributions should be good to have handy ;-) As for 10.0 ISO's (release and updates) I would suggest again that Mandrake might consider outsourcing CD/DVD production and shipment to companies really capable to do this in _days_ not weeks. I mean also commercial products like PowerPack CD's/DVD-only editions. There are companies like Cheapbytes, Budgetlinux and many others which IMHO could (within some commercial agreement framework) quickly produce e.g. Powerpack CD's and accurately ship them to customers, paying Mandrake the same margin that Mandrake has now from Powerpacks, or even more. Customers will have their disks much sooner and with much lower shipping costs. Seems a win-win situation but Mandrake has been deaf to such ideas for years... Mandrake could (and IMHO should!) concentrate more on release building and _quality_, leaving disk production and logistics to people who really know how to do that. Harry
Re: [Cooker] Another ideas for Mandrake 10.0...
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 05:34:16AM +0100, BOUTELIER S?bastien wrote: > > - Is it possible to have an ISO of update (in fact a copy of directory > - updates with some corrections if needed), and each week the ISO is > - updated with the new updates. During the installation, the installer > - asks to connect to internet or if the user have a CD to update. I think > - you can put new version of installer and kernel on the update CD if > - there is a problem so no need to change main ISO if there is a problem. > - Naturally, the ISO is optional for the install but it can be very useful > - for those who haven't internet. > I like this idea, sometimes it's not possible to connect to the internet (e.g. if you have dhcp as only option and bug #5669 isn't fixed yet) or if you're installing a standalone machine. Whenever you download the distribution you always have the most uptodate packages. Of course sometimes a CD is faster than an internet connection and sometimes it's not possible (or too difficult) to create a local mirror if you have a lot of machines to update (lame excuse, I know, but it might help newbies ;-) Cheers Simon
[Cooker] Another ideas for Mandrake 10.0...
So, I have another ideas for Mandrake 10.0 (Yes, again...): - Is it possible to have a tool in the MCC to edit the servicemenu and the possibility to choose special operation with some files ?? For exemple have the possibility to make simple task like this: << if I select a list of MP3, the line "play with xmms" and "enqueue this in xmms" appear >>. The possibility to add, deplace or remove options. And I don't know if it is possible to make personalized servicemenu for some directories (for exemple, if i select my directory A, I have an option "synchronyze with B" who appears (synchronization made with a script)). **I speak for KDE, I don't know how Gnome or other WM works but it must be similar.** - Is it possible to have an ISO of update (in fact a copy of directory updates with some corrections if needed), and each week the ISO is updated with the new updates. During the installation, the installer asks to connect to internet or if the user have a CD to update. I think you can put new version of installer and kernel on the update CD if there is a problem so no need to change main ISO if there is a problem. Naturally, the ISO is optional for the install but it can be very useful for those who haven't internet. Tell me if the ideas are goods or if you think it's useless ! PRIAP. PS: Ideas are for 10.0, it's just proposition, I don't need solution to edit servicemenu, I have no problem ! -- BOUTELIER Sébastien ICQ: 14554603 http://www.priap.com
