Re: [Cooker] Email Setup
At 09:30 PM 8/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Yesterday I sent in an idea about being able to set up Email from DrakConf in the same manner as menudrake sets up applications to all the different desktops. (KDE, Gnome, BlackBox, etc)Also I thought about having email setup a possible option during install similar to how Windows sets everything up. I Sent this in because I work with over 80 computers a day and know that the first thing (Besides Internet) that most people want set up is Email (In a corperate environment). Having a script Like MenuDrake that sets up all types of email programs as long as you install them from rpmdrake would be ideal. I do not see the benefit of automatizing such easy tasks. Usually you have to setup your email account ONE time. It takes up about 10 minutes to set up all the applications by hand, and then it lasts for months. It is not repetitive, nor complicated. Thus, I do not understand your argument about the 80 computers. Please explain. Also, did you read my email about all the different email addresses that one single person have, depending on the context? I think this is a major problem. Grégoire 1. Windows does not set everything up during install. What it does set-up is only for outlook. It certainly does not setup other e-mail clients like Netscape's, Pegasus, etc, and most other people's favourite, Eudora. So for me, that windows feature is pretty much useless. For those 80 computers you were talking about you still have to set them up individualy don't you? For sure you can't have 80 workstations having the same e-mail addresses. 2. What you were asking for, while not impossible, is not very feasible, be it in Linux or Windows. In windows, as mentioned above, not everyone uses Outlook. Same thing with Linux. Of course it would be different if, say, one Linux distro would favour just one e-mail client as its default (say KMail with KDE or Balsa with Gnome). But then again, it would be pretty much useless for other people who would prefer to use other mail clients. cheers
Re: [Cooker] Email setup
At 08:46 PM 8/3/01 +0200, you wrote: I thought Linux was about doing the right thing. regards guran I thought it was about doing the thing right!
Re: [Cooker] Email Setup
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, civileme wrote: 1. a universal installer in full GUI built off of checkinstall, 2. a program that sends hardware and configuration profiles to some central place for helping non-expert users 3. program that backs up configuration files daily , keeping a daily record for a week and a monthly record for a year, so that users can change configuration without a great deal of fear. 3. is provided by linuxconf and maybe drakprofile, but the interfaces to either of these programs seems to suck, and maybe don't run from the cron. I really like 1. and 2. and in fact have had these exact same ideas myself. These need to be tied into www.mandrakeexpert.com. No one even bothers to add their hardware specs, and their questions leave a lot to be desired. If they were given the option to upload their hardware profile automatically during the install, and also every time a hardware change is detected by harddrake/kudzu, this would be great for tech support. Registration to www.mandrakeexpert.com should also be provided. I really hope this can make 8.1. MandrakeSoft says that they provide support through here, but I don't see it mentioned during the install I did. Maybe it is only on the box. I am certainly in favor of the No information about you is sent to MandrakeSoft disclaimer as well. I didn't comment on 1., only 2. What I can say about 1. is that it would certainly help newbies. Maybe you can elaborate more on checkinstall? -- Sincerely, David Walluck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Email Setup
Grégoire, My argument about 80 computers is that I have to set up email 80 times or more, it gets old after a while. I think it would be of benefit to have email setup as an option during setup. I also understand that it is easy to set up a computer from the command line. In Menudrake when you install an RPM of whatever software the icon as well as where it should go on the Desktop (Ie under Games, Applications, Multimedia, etc) are kept in a File. It is a slick system for users so they do not have to resetup their shortcut application links when they go from Gnome, to KDE, or BlackBox, etc. In DrakConf you could do the same thing with email. Enter your information once (It could be one email account or several) and the information is applied to all the email programs you install as long as you are using Mandrake RPMS that have a small script to check if you have setup information in DrakConf and to apply it or not. You still need to know the information from your ISP, Internet account, or mail server but it would make everything a lot easier for a new user. Shad --- Grégoire Colbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Yesterday I sent in an idea about being able to set up Email from DrakConf in the same manner as menudrake sets up applications to all the different desktops. (KDE, Gnome, BlackBox, etc)Also I thought about having email setup a possible option during install similar to how Windows sets everything up. I Sent this in because I work with over 80 computers a day and know that the first thing (Besides Internet) that most people want set up is Email (In a corperate environment). Having a script Like MenuDrake that sets up all types of email programs as long as you install them from rpmdrake would be ideal. I do not see the benefit of automatizing such easy tasks. Usually you have to setup your email account ONE time. It takes up about 10 minutes to set up all the applications by hand, and then it lasts for months. It is not repetitive, nor complicated. Thus, I do not understand your argument about the 80 computers. Please explain. Also, did you read my email about all the different email addresses that one single person have, depending on the context? I think this is a major problem. Grégoire = [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Email setup
On August 2, 2001 10:51 pm, you wrote: Cooker, Having this capibility would make Mandrake very interesting for companies looking to change from a MS shop to more of a mixed Linux/MS environment. And exactly what user would you setup the mail account for? All of them? The first one? What mail program would you set it up for? I really don't think this is a good option, and isn't even done in Windows. It asks you to set up an account when you setup IE/Outlook, just as it does when you open KMail, so the functionality is there, it's just not crammed down your throught. Linux is a different beast, and we truly have to stop doing things the Windows way, just in the hopes that it will bring over a few users. -- Live fast, die young, you're sucking up my bandwidth J.P. Pasnak, CD Warped Systems http://www.warpedsystems.sk.ca
