Re[2]: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
Hello Mandrake, Thursday, Thursday, September 24, 1998, you wrote: >> Wrong. Mandrake 6.0 and 6.1 come with X-TT in X, not (like RH) with xfsft. >> Therefore, it's not ttmkfdir, but mkttfdir. Mandrake Bugs> So, Bernard, does this then mean that Mandrake works functionally identical Mandrake Bugs> to RedHat, but does it differently? If that's so, how does that combine with Mandrake Bugs> the Mandrake claim to be 100% compatible with RedHat? Mandrake Bugs> Not a gripe, but rather curiosity. Mandrake Bugs> Harry Mandrake Bugs> -- Mandrake Bugs> Beauty, brains, availability, personality - pick any two. Not only that, what about adding something to make things like this more user friendly?? This is the kind of silly thing resulting in support work and thats whats preventable. if one checks the mandrake newsgroups its very clear what causes most problems and some of those if not most are preventable and would make mandrake much more user friendly and save all of you support work... And obviously time installing Linux Best regards, tracer mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts? (RH compatibility)
> Where have you seen that claim regarding 6.0 or 6.1? > > We claim 100% compatibility for 5.x releases, 99% for 6.x http://www.linux-mandrake.com/images/mandrake6.0.gif That's one of the advert banners on the linux-mandrake site. Also, but don't quote me on that, I believe Gael Duval said something very similar to that in an interview that I followed via a Slashdot link. Like I said, it was more curiosity than anything else that drove my question, since you folks have quite adeptly created a kick-butt distribution - RedHat made using Linux a lot easier, but they slipped very quickly in quality; Mandrake 'fixes' the RedHat distro in my eyes, and also adds certain touches that make it fun to use (like a web-site where you can actually get answers to problems from people that actually respond, and a GUI that you can actually use). Most of teh questions/concerns I had about some left-over issues in 6.1 appear to be addressed in 'cooker', so the open development model, again, is a great idea. Unfortunately, at this point, I do not see RedHat doing the smart thing and adopting those ideas anytime soon - that's why I run Mandrake. -- Beauty, brains, availability, personality - pick any two.
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Arthur wrote: > On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:31:55 +0200 (CEST), Bernhard Rosenkraenzer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Wrong. Mandrake 6.0 and 6.1 come with X-TT in X, not (like RH) with xfsft. > >Therefore, it's not ttmkfdir, but mkttfdir. > > On my 6.1, > > find /usr -name ttmkfdir shows /usr/sbin/ttmkdfir > > find /usr -name mkttfdir shows nothing > > Is there another package I need to install? > > I think he's got ya there bero ;) Anyways theres supposed tobe a symlink between the two names for compatability (who ever builds Xfree next) -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:31:55 +0200 (CEST), Bernhard Rosenkraenzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Wrong. Mandrake 6.0 and 6.1 come with X-TT in X, not (like RH) with xfsft. >Therefore, it's not ttmkfdir, but mkttfdir. On my 6.1, find /usr -name ttmkfdir shows /usr/sbin/ttmkdfir find /usr -name mkttfdir shows nothing Is there another package I need to install?
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
Kaixo! On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 12:31:34PM +0200, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote: > Wrong. Mandrake 6.0 and 6.1 come with X-TT in X, not (like RH) with xfsft. > Therefore, it's not ttmkfdir, but mkttfdir. Both X-TT and xfsft use the same syntax for the fonts.dir file; so it should work the same be it with ttmkfdir or mkttfdir I think. (Mandrake uses ttmkfdir; to be exact a higly hacked (by me) version of ttmkfdir. the changes are I added recognition of various new encodings, so the right lines are written) The version I saw of mkttfdir (1.17) only add lines for iso-8859-1 and japanese fonts; that isn't very good imho. The ttmkfdir looks in the unicode encodings of the TTF, and compare the available unicode values with some internal ttmkfdir tables; then if the font has all the unicode values of so-8859-10 for example, it will add a line foobar.ttf -foo-bar-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-10 (in fact there is some tolerance of 2-3 missing letters; that is command-line configurable) and it will do that for all internally known encodings (koi8-r, etc). For 16bit encodings the internal table isn't the full table; but a 256 or 128 char (I don't remember) filled with some values typically representative of that encoding. It works very well with correct fonts; only some boggus fonts that have only iso-8859-1 but wrongly claim to have plenty of unicode letters, pose problem; but that is because those fonts lie. eg: chanae:/tmp# ttmkfdir 16 ArmNH.ttf -2Rebels-ArmNet Helvetica-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-armscii-8 ArmNH.ttf -2Rebels-ArmNet Helvetica-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-tcvn-5712 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-viscii1.1-1 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-15 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-tis620.2533-1 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-10 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-9 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-8 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-6 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-5 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-4 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-3 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-2 tahoma.ttf -microsoft-Tahoma-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1 -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://www.ping.be/~pin19314/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Mandrake Bugs wrote: > > Wrong. Mandrake 6.0 and 6.1 come with X-TT in X, not (like RH) with xfsft. > > Therefore, it's not ttmkfdir, but mkttfdir. > > So, Bernard, does this then mean that Mandrake works functionally identical > to RedHat, but does it differently? Almost identical functionally. X-TT has a couple of significant advantages over xfsft, for example it has better support for Chinese/Japanese fonts. Also, XFree86 4.0 will be using X-TT for TrueType support, so we are compatible with the future and RH isn't. It's a "bug" RH needs to fix; it very probably won't happen before XFree86 4.0 is released. > If that's so, how does that combine with > the Mandrake claim to be 100% compatible with RedHat? Where have you seen that claim regarding 6.0 or 6.1? We claim 100% compatibility for 5.x releases, 99% for 6.x, because we still use the same packaging, etc., in some (few) places, our improvements break compatibility where the gain justifies it. Besides, there are no changed APIs or such - this won't break compatibility with RH RPMs in 99.% of the cases. LLaP bero -- Tired of waiting for Windows 2000? STOP WAITING! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
> Wrong. Mandrake 6.0 and 6.1 come with X-TT in X, not (like RH) with xfsft. > Therefore, it's not ttmkfdir, but mkttfdir. So, Bernard, does this then mean that Mandrake works functionally identical to RedHat, but does it differently? If that's so, how does that combine with the Mandrake claim to be 100% compatible with RedHat? Not a gripe, but rather curiosity. Harry -- Beauty, brains, availability, personality - pick any two.
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Mubashir Cheema wrote: > > If Windows is already installed, it's real easy. The install process (at > > least in newbie mode) should automatically set up mount points for existing > > vfat partitions. Then each one should be checked for a > > /windows/fonts directory, and if such exists, ttmkfdir and > > chkfontpath should be run by the installer. Then the fonts just kind of > > work! > > This process does work on RedHat 6.0 systems. However it doesn't work on > Mandrake 6.0 or 6.1, in my expereience. Mandrake 6.[01] come with badly > configured fonts that prevent addition of any new fonts. Wrong. Mandrake 6.0 and 6.1 come with X-TT in X, not (like RH) with xfsft. Therefore, it's not ttmkfdir, but mkttfdir. LLaP bero -- Tired of waiting for Windows 2000? STOP WAITING! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
> If Windows is already installed, it's real easy. The install process (at > least in newbie mode) should automatically set up mount points for existing > vfat partitions. Then each one should be checked for a > /windows/fonts directory, and if such exists, ttmkfdir and > chkfontpath should be run by the installer. Then the fonts just kind of > work! This process does work on RedHat 6.0 systems. However it doesn't work on Mandrake 6.0 or 6.1, in my expereience. Mandrake 6.[01] come with badly configured fonts that prevent addition of any new fonts. It took me rather long time to identify these, take them out and then it all almost works. There is another lengthy process to get these new fonts or any TTF fonts that Mandrake comes with, working with StarOffice. You see, the process you mentioned sets up your computer so that you can view these fonts. But you cant really print them this way. I hope that some distribution does take care of this problem, so that people like me do not end up wasting several hours trying to get halfway decent fonts to display and print from their Linux computers. Even after spending alot of energy on this, I only have a partially working TTF font subsystem. And I suspect there are many others like me. Mubashir
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
t> From: tracer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> t> Anyway I have not used their fonts myself, so how complicated is it to t> add MS fonts to the linux system is it something which could be t> easily automated by anyone with a suitable script who has all the t> fonts in one directory??? If yes, give them the tool to do it in the t> most easy way and tell them clearly how to add TT fonts from MS to t> their LINUX If Windows is already installed, it's real easy. The install process (at least in newbie mode) should automatically set up mount points for existing vfat partitions. Then each one should be checked for a /windows/fonts directory, and if such exists, ttmkfdir and chkfontpath should be run by the installer. Then the fonts just kind of work! I don't know how much of this happens currently in cooker or helios, but none of it happened when I installed venus. --- Aaron Peromsik | For thinner oatmeal, add more water. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | For thicker oatmeal, add less water. ---
Re[2]: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
Hello Gael, Tuesday, Tuesday, September 21, 1999, you wrote: Gael Duval> Mubashir Cheema wrote: >> >> After fighting a long battle named "True Type fonts under >> Mandrake" I finally won. See my previous email to read >> the description of the problem. >> >> I noticed that Microsoft allows people to download fonts >> from their website. I was wondering if they would let >> Mandrake and others download them and bundle them with >> their distribution. All setup for printing with StarOffice >> etc. Well, provide the full info how to do it, where to get them and maybe float the combined free package of fonts through the less offical software routes. I am sure that a suitable ftp can be found where ms cannot complain against >> >> I briefly read the License and it seems that the 2 major points >> are : >> >> 1. You could distribute the fonts as long as you include the >>copyright notice also. >> 2. Distribution of the fonts to make money was prohibited. Gael Duval> I don't like this idea very much (asking the permission to Microsoft Gael Duval> etc.) but why not. However, I think the best solution would be to have Gael Duval> some tools to builds TTfonts under open sources systems like Linux. I have the feeling that MS isnt going to be able to refuse considering their current court case and the fact that they already have their license like this. They may realise that looking good boys is better then getting it done anyway and looking stupid because if they say NO, you can stick their response in a suitable Linux news page where it gets read widely that they donot follow their own license Anyway I have not used their fonts myself, so how complicated is it to add MS fonts to the linux system is it something which could be easily automated by anyone with a suitable script who has all the fonts in one directory??? If yes, give them the tool to do it in the most easy way and tell them clearly how to add TT fonts from MS to their LINUX Best regards, tracer mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:51:51 -0500, Mubashir Cheema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >if Mandrake wrote to MS and asked them nicely to grant Mandrake an exclusion. HAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, I could not resist. >Or put it on an ftp server for seperate download, instead of putting it on >the CD they sell. Right.
Re: [Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
Mubashir Cheema wrote: > > After fighting a long battle named "True Type fonts under > Mandrake" I finally won. See my previous email to read > the description of the problem. > > I noticed that Microsoft allows people to download fonts > from their website. I was wondering if they would let > Mandrake and others download them and bundle them with > their distribution. All setup for printing with StarOffice > etc. > > I briefly read the License and it seems that the 2 major points > are : > > 1. You could distribute the fonts as long as you include the >copyright notice also. > 2. Distribution of the fonts to make money was prohibited. I don't like this idea very much (asking the permission to Microsoft etc.) but why not. However, I think the best solution would be to have some tools to builds TTfonts under open sources systems like Linux. Greets, Gael. -- < Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > < Mandrake 6.1 (Helios) on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/ >
[Cooker] How about bundling Microsoft True Type fonts?
After fighting a long battle named "True Type fonts under Mandrake" I finally won. See my previous email to read the description of the problem. I noticed that Microsoft allows people to download fonts from their website. I was wondering if they would let Mandrake and others download them and bundle them with their distribution. All setup for printing with StarOffice etc. I briefly read the License and it seems that the 2 major points are : 1. You could distribute the fonts as long as you include the copyright notice also. 2. Distribution of the fonts to make money was prohibited. Maybe the #2 could be avoided, if Mandrake wrote to MS and asked them nicely to grant Mandrake an exclusion. Or put out a seperate RPM and put it on an ftp server for seperate download, instead of putting it on the CD they sell. There may have been other problems with the License that I may have missed. Please forgive me, if I have. I have partially been able to get the TT fonts to display and print on my M6.1 using StarOffice and other apps. I absolutely love it. StarOffice's collection of fonts stinks. There is a fix but most of the people will not fight the same battle as I and will keep using the inferior Linux setup and keep admiring the fonts on their colleague's Windows machine. Someone has to fix this for once and all. Mubashir
