Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
On lördagen den 21 september 2002 05.43 Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Yes that would be cool if you came visiting. Or you could come to Montreal ;-) I can't afford the trip yet, still unemployed you know. It *is* serious. Many e-commerce sites use some perl modules heavily, and if they don't work, they can't upgrade. I understand. BTW. I packed osCommerce in contribs and it seems to work nicely with apache2 and php. Yes, I have seen it, but haven't had the time to test it yet. Well, it's quite impressive. We have done a great job! Now I'm off packaging every cool php I can find. I just fixed a whole bunch of the ones in contribs, the admin like ones I mean. I made is so that apps like phpMyAdmin resides in a common webadminroot like /var/www/admin/phpMyAdmin or whatever you pass with the magic --relocate rpm flag, real cute. So maybe we could have a simple admin html page in there soon if some artistic person is up to it? Why don't we put the admin page in /addon-modules, with the rest of the documentation? Well..., no. Here's what I had in mind, a sort of framework. A bash/c/c++/perl/php coder makes a package that installs all admin like php/perl packages in a unique location for each node. This is possible now since I fixed it so one could install for example phpMyAdmin like this: rpm -Uvh --relocate /var/www/html/admin=/var/www/html/_new_unique_url_ \ phpMyAdmin-2.3.0-2mdk.noarch.rpm The _new_unique_url_ could be generated by random. The admin installer needs to keep track of this _new_unique_url_ and update the start page in that location to include installed admin like packages. The main admin page should maybe look and feel like the start page for MNF?. The admin installer should make a link on the desktop and/or in the menues. etc., etc. Secondary the admin installer should/would: * don't log requests to this url. * be as stealthy as possible. * etc., etc. What is this all good for, what is the point? This method will prevent hammering with htpasswd like password crackers against known locations. Well..., this is what I had in mind when I started one year ago with nisca :) I like these web based gadgets :) Chears. -- Regards // Oden Eriksson Deserve-IT Networks - http://d-srv.com
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
Le sam 21/09/2002 à 00:30, Yura Gusev a écrit : Or you could come to Montreal ;-) Are you planing to make party after 9.0 release? Maybe we can go and play paintball? Forget about paintball ;-) Last year, Mandrake was beaten up by Syspark at paintball, and it took me like two months for the marks to disapear... But beer doesn't leave marks though ;-)
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
--- Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le sam 21/09/2002 à 00:30, Yura Gusev a écrit : Or you could come to Montreal ;-) Are you planing to make party after 9.0 release? Maybe we can go and play paintball? Forget about paintball ;-) Last year, Mandrake was beaten up by Syspark at paintball, and it took me like two months for the marks to disapear... But beer doesn't leave marks though ;-) But what you do under its influence may... :o) __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
Yes that would be cool if you came visiting. Or you could come to Montreal ;-) It *is* serious. Many e-commerce sites use some perl modules heavily, and if they don't work, they can't upgrade. I understand. BTW. I packed osCommerce in contribs and it seems to work nicely with apache2 and php. Yes, I have seen it, but haven't had the time to test it yet. Well, it's quite impressive. We have done a great job! Now I'm off packaging every cool php I can find. I just fixed a whole bunch of the ones in contribs, the admin like ones I mean. I made is so that apps like phpMyAdmin resides in a common webadminroot like /var/www/admin/phpMyAdmin or whatever you pass with the magic --relocate rpm flag, real cute. So maybe we could have a simple admin html page in there soon if some artistic person is up to it? Why don't we put the admin page in /addon-modules, with the rest of the documentation? Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
Jean-Michel Dault said: Yes that would be cool if you came visiting. Or you could come to Montreal ;-) Are you planing to make party after 9.0 release? Maybe we can go and play paintball?
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 00:28, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: Well, finally made some headway on this. If I replicate what the commandline is that /etc/init.d/httpd uses - but remove -DHAVE_PHP4 and -DHAVE_SSL, it starts up correctly. With -DHAVE_PHP4, I see this: httpd2: relocation error: /usr/lib/php/extensions/recode.so: undefined symbol: recode_new_outer I un-installed the apache2-mod_php package and reinstalled it... no luck. Finally checked where that .so was coming from, removed php-recode, and now it works with PHP. Is it a problem having apache2-mod_ssl and mod_ssl installed? Will removing mod_ssl break anything (apache v1 is removed). Other than that, I still have no clue why HAVE_SSL causes failure. The answer to that is: yes, it is a problem. I removed mod_ssl and now it works. So it all good now. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
Hey, you did a great job! =) It ticks! I owe you a couple of beers ;-) I take that as a promise :-) Now, I only have to find out how to send alcohol to Sweeden without it being confiscated at customs... Otherwise, I'll have to bring them myself ;-) Not until mod_perl and mod_php are stable enough. There are many issues right now, such as PHP pages remaining in browser cache, Apache-ASP, HTML-Embperl, Apache-SSI and Akxit not working. Ohh..., shit! I didn't know that..., I've been away from computers for some time hunting. Is it really _this_ serious?!?!?!?! It *is* serious. Many e-commerce sites use some perl modules heavily, and if they don't work, they can't upgrade. Thse are serious issues since PHP is used by 38% of websites and mod_perl by 36%. netcraft percentage? Yup, it was published in the latest Apache Week. I think these issues will be fixed in the following months, until then, Apache 2.0 will remain in the Contribs. Okidoki. BTW. I just went through your patches for the apache2 modules I submitted..., out of curiosity..., _how_ did you know what to fix? Most of the patches concern component registering, ie: putting the version of the module in the Apache version. This is needed for testing, otherwise we don't know if the module was loaded properly. These patches were made by myself, it's not hard when you know the API enough ;-) The other patches concern linking additional libraries, like libmysqlclient. In this case, you have to use ldd to make sure the libraries are linked correctly, and nm to find out what symbols are missing. Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
I un-installed the apache2-mod_php package and reinstalled it... no luck. Finally checked where that .so was coming from, removed php-recode, and now it works with PHP. There are many issues with php-recode, I'm fixing that right now. There are symbol conflicts with php-imap and php-mysql, so you need to build it with a patched version of recode, but the problem is that the linker always looks first in /usr/lib, so if the regular recode is installed, it conflicts. I'll upload a new package today. Is it a problem having apache2-mod_ssl and mod_ssl installed? Will removing mod_ssl break anything (apache v1 is removed). Other than that, I still have no clue why HAVE_SSL causes failure. The answer to that is: yes, it is a problem. I removed mod_ssl and now it works. The problem was that both versions were loaded at the same time. It's fixed in the 2.0.40ADVX packages.
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
On torsdagen den 19 september 2002 03.32 Jean-Michel Dault wrote: Hey, you did a great job! =) It ticks! I owe you a couple of beers ;-) I take that as a promise :-) Now, I only have to find out how to send alcohol to Sweeden without it being confiscated at customs... Otherwise, I'll have to bring them myself ;-) Yes that would be cool if you came visiting. Not until mod_perl and mod_php are stable enough. There are many issues right now, such as PHP pages remaining in browser cache, Apache-ASP, HTML-Embperl, Apache-SSI and Akxit not working. Ohh..., shit! I didn't know that..., I've been away from computers for some time hunting. Is it really _this_ serious?!?!?!?! It *is* serious. Many e-commerce sites use some perl modules heavily, and if they don't work, they can't upgrade. I understand. BTW. I packed osCommerce in contribs and it seems to work nicely with apache2 and php. Thse are serious issues since PHP is used by 38% of websites and mod_perl by 36%. netcraft percentage? Yup, it was published in the latest Apache Week. I think these issues will be fixed in the following months, until then, Apache 2.0 will remain in the Contribs. Okidoki. BTW. I just went through your patches for the apache2 modules I submitted..., out of curiosity..., _how_ did you know what to fix? Most of the patches concern component registering, ie: putting the version of the module in the Apache version. This is needed for testing, otherwise we don't know if the module was loaded properly. These patches were made by myself, it's not hard when you know the API enough ;-) The other patches concern linking additional libraries, like libmysqlclient. In this case, you have to use ldd to make sure the libraries are linked correctly, and nm to find out what symbols are missing. Jean-Michel Well, it's quite impressive. We have done a great job! Now I'm off packaging every cool php I can find. I just fixed a whole bunch of the ones in contribs, the admin like ones I mean. I made is so that apps like phpMyAdmin resides in a common webadminroot like /var/www/admin/phpMyAdmin or whatever you pass with the magic --relocate rpm flag, real cute. So maybe we could have a simple admin html page in there soon if some artistic person is up to it? Chears. -- Regards // Oden Eriksson Deserve-IT Networks - http://d-srv.com
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
Just make a backup of your configs, uninstall the apache and php stuff you have, rm -rf /etc/http*, install new apache (v1.2.26 and/or v2.0.40), fix config manually. J-M Dault has made a huge and very nice job making this work. But as you probably have a cooker install it's safer and easier to start from scratch. Yup. My packages are designed to do a seamless upgrade, but only from the stable packages (either 8.x or 9.0), not from Oden's versions. Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
- Original Message - From: Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues Just make a backup of your configs, uninstall the apache and php stuff you have, rm -rf /etc/http*, install new apache (v1.2.26 and/or v2.0.40), fix config manually. J-M Dault has made a huge and very nice job making this work. But as you probably have a cooker install it's safer and easier to start from scratch. Yup. My packages are designed to do a seamless upgrade, but only from the stable packages (either 8.x or 9.0), not from Oden's versions. I'm bad, I never had any _upgrades_ in mind for 2.x, nor the requirements, I was just too darn busy making it tick :-) Will Mandrake drop apache v1.x for 9.0+?
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
My packages are designed to do a seamless upgrade, but only from the stable packages (either 8.x or 9.0), not from Oden's versions. I'm bad, I never had any _upgrades_ in mind for 2.x, nor the requirements, I was just too darn busy making it tick :-) Hey, you did a great job! =) It ticks! I owe you a couple of beers ;-) Will Mandrake drop apache v1.x for 9.0+? Not until mod_perl and mod_php are stable enough. There are many issues right now, such as PHP pages remaining in browser cache, Apache-ASP, HTML-Embperl, Apache-SSI and Akxit not working. Thse are serious issues since PHP is used by 38% of websites and mod_perl by 36%. I think these issues will be fixed in the following months, until then, Apache 2.0 will remain in the Contribs. Jean-Michel
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
- Original Message - From: Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues My packages are designed to do a seamless upgrade, but only from the stable packages (either 8.x or 9.0), not from Oden's versions. I'm bad, I never had any _upgrades_ in mind for 2.x, nor the requirements, I was just too darn busy making it tick :-) Hey, you did a great job! =) It ticks! I owe you a couple of beers ;-) I take that as a promise :-) Thanks. Will Mandrake drop apache v1.x for 9.0+? Not until mod_perl and mod_php are stable enough. There are many issues right now, such as PHP pages remaining in browser cache, Apache-ASP, HTML-Embperl, Apache-SSI and Akxit not working. Ohh..., shit! I didn't know that..., I've been away from computers for some time hunting. Is it really _this_ serious?!?!?!?! Thse are serious issues since PHP is used by 38% of websites and mod_perl by 36%. netcraft percentage? I think these issues will be fixed in the following months, until then, Apache 2.0 will remain in the Contribs. Okidoki. BTW. I just went through your patches for the apache2 modules I submitted..., out of curiosity..., _how_ did you know what to fix? Chears.
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
On tisdagen den 17 september 2002 05.40 Lonnie Borntreger wrote: Just upgraded apache2 from the Odin provided to the new one in cooker contribs. This left me with several questions and issues. Questions: - It did not uninstall apache-1, but it did use /etc/httpd. Is it no longer possible to have both installed? How can I uninstall apache-1 now without screwing things up, since it will remove the files in /etc/httpd since it thinks it owns them? Just make a backup of your configs, uninstall the apache and php stuff you have, rm -rf /etc/http*, install new apache (v1.2.26 and/or v2.0.40), fix config manually. J-M Dault has made a huge and very nice job making this work. But as you probably have a cooker install it's safer and easier to start from scratch. -- Regards // Oden Eriksson Deserve-IT Networks - http://d-srv.com
Re: [Cooker] New Apache 2 Questions/Issues
On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 22:40, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: Just upgraded apache2 from the Odin provided to the new one in cooker contribs. This left me with several questions and issues. Questions: - It did not uninstall apache-1, but it did use /etc/httpd. Is it no longer possible to have both installed? How can I uninstall apache-1 now without screwing things up, since it will remove the files in /etc/httpd since it thinks it owns them? OK. Missed the fact that apache-conf was removed. So I can remove the rest of apache1 (and did). Issues/Comments: - Since the config now seems to be a mix between the old apache1 way the files were set up, and the new way that the apache2 files were setup, it is very hard to figure out what change is now causing the server to not start up. Well, finally made some headway on this. If I replicate what the commandline is that /etc/init.d/httpd uses - but remove -DHAVE_PHP4 and -DHAVE_SSL, it starts up correctly. With -DHAVE_PHP4, I see this: httpd2: relocation error: /usr/lib/php/extensions/recode.so: undefined symbol: recode_new_outer Is it a problem having apache2-mod_ssl and mod_ssl installed? Will removing mod_ssl break anything (apache v1 is removed). Other than that, I still have no clue why HAVE_SSL causes failure. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
