Re: [Cooker] On Euro
On Po, 2002-01-21 at 01:32, andre wrote: > Op ma 21-01-2002, om 00:24 schreef Guy Zelck: > CTRL-ALT-5 is the normal way to get a euro in windows if you have a us > keyboard. Besides i have tried all other possible ways to with the same > result. > Question: do new keyboards have a euro on the 5 in America also or is > this only so in Holland I have an us/cz chicony keyboard which I beleive to be quite new. It has (euro) on the bottom right of E key and I was able to produce the using some modifier in the bottom right of my keyboard before I upgraded some parts of GNOME yesterday. > -- Michal Suchanek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
Pablo Saratxaga wrote: >Kaixo! >Li Fri, 18 Jan 2002 05:22:54 +0100, > guran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scrîjheut: > > g> Contrary to you I think the problem is in how XF86 and KDE cooperates. > g> in /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.se I have: > g> !charset "iso-8859-1" > >No, that is just a comment (and that file is not used by KDE btw, >but /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/se) > > g> and in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/se I have: > g>// and all of ISO-8859-1 characters available. > >A comment too. > >X11 keyboard definition files are independent of any charset. They use >symbolic names (keysyms). > >Now, of course, only those chars that are present in the charset you are >using will be produced, as for the others, even if the keyboard sends >something, X11 cannot convert it to your charset encoding. > > >The KDE problem comes from the fact that, while KDE ignores any locale >setting for almost everything, it uses the value of LANG variable for >the keyboard. > >If you have LANG=nl look at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/locales.alias >and you will see something like: > >nl:nl_NL.ISO-8859-1 > >change it to: > >nl:nl_NL.ISO-8859-15 > >or change the value of LANG variable, and it will work. > Pablo, On the subject of variables, can you tell us what the LANGUAGE variable is exactly for and explain the syntax a bit. Thanks, Guy.
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
Kaixo! Li Fri, 18 Jan 2002 05:22:54 +0100, guran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scrîjheut: g> Contrary to you I think the problem is in how XF86 and KDE cooperates. g> in /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.se I have: g> !charset "iso-8859-1" No, that is just a comment (and that file is not used by KDE btw, but /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/se) g> and in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/se I have: g>// and all of ISO-8859-1 characters available. A comment too. X11 keyboard definition files are independent of any charset. They use symbolic names (keysyms). Now, of course, only those chars that are present in the charset you are using will be produced, as for the others, even if the keyboard sends something, X11 cannot convert it to your charset encoding. The KDE problem comes from the fact that, while KDE ignores any locale setting for almost everything, it uses the value of LANG variable for the keyboard. If you have LANG=nl look at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/locales.alias and you will see something like: nl: nl_NL.ISO-8859-1 change it to: nl: nl_NL.ISO-8859-15 or change the value of LANG variable, and it will work. -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga Disinstallatemi tutto, ma non il mio Linux! -- Reinterpretazione dello spot Breil, by Zuse
[Cooker] On Euro
OK, I press on the console and get the Euro displayed. Then I enter "echo ¤ | lp" and what comes out of the printer is the currency symbol, no Euro. Using CUPS with HP DeskJet 720C. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. AMD Athlon XP 1600+, 512MB RAM. Registered Linux User 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) for i586 Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Up 2 hours 52 minutes. ---
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
Op ma 21-01-2002, om 04:37 schreef guran: > On Monday 21 January 2002 02:26, Rolf Pedersen wrote: > > andre wrote: > > > Question: do new keyboards have a euro on the 5 in America also or is > > > this only so in Holland > > > > Generic, 2-years-old, Korean-made, U.S. keyboard has what looks like a euro > > to the bottom right of the 5 key, here. > > That key is supposed to create an Euro character when you press AltGr+e. You > can read all about it here: > >http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/other-formats/html_single/Euro-Char-Support.html > http://www.koffice.org/kword/euro.phtml > > regards > guran except on us keyboards. Which i have. Then it is some keycombo+5. That is probably so because next to the 5 is a euro-symbole.
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
On Monday 21 January 2002 02:26, Rolf Pedersen wrote: > andre wrote: > > Question: do new keyboards have a euro on the 5 in America also or is > > this only so in Holland > > Generic, 2-years-old, Korean-made, U.S. keyboard has what looks like a euro > to the bottom right of the 5 key, here. That key is supposed to create an Euro character when you press AltGr+e. You can read all about it here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/other-formats/html_single/Euro-Char-Support.html http://www.koffice.org/kword/euro.phtml regards guran -- Mandrake Linux 8.2 Cooker kernel-2.4.17.7mdk-1-1mdk version:2002-01-20-17:33
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
andre wrote: > Question: do new keyboards have a euro on the 5 in America also or is > this only so in Holland > Generic, 2-years-old, Korean-made, U.S. keyboard has what looks like a euro to the bottom right of the 5 key, here.
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
Op ma 21-01-2002, om 00:24 schreef Guy Zelck: > andre wrote: > >Don't seem to work, CTRL-ALT-5 doesn't do anything but beep > > > > > > > I don't know where you guys get this key combination from, but this > never worked for me on my belgian kyb. and Mandrake8.1. I have two other > ways to get the Euro : > 1. The obvious way : AltGr + e > 2. With the compose key method : Compose key + e + = ( My compose key > is the key with the Windows flag but not everyone has this of course). > > Have a try, > > Guy. > > CTRL-ALT-5 is the normal way to get a euro in windows if you have a us keyboard. Besides i have tried all other possible ways to with the same result. Question: do new keyboards have a euro on the 5 in America also or is this only so in Holland
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
On Monday 21 January 2002 00:24, Guy Zelck wrote: > andre wrote: > >>Thanks to the interesting links you gave in your previous message I was > >>able to clear the problem (thanks Debian) and in fact it's only a very > >>minor change I had to apply. > >>It concerns the LANG variable. From stock I had LANG=nl, well by simply > >>changing it to LANG=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 the Euro symbol appeared when > >>typed in kedit! I had to be sth. as crazy like this. And to think no one > >>from Mandrake was able to give us this hint? > >> > >> > >>The documents sum up all the changes you need to apply to various apps > >>to give them the Euro. I now also have it in Eterm!!! > >>I jumped to the ceiling and stayed stuck there for 2 sec., then fell > >>down again; what a kick! This has been a very rewarding Sunday evening! > >> > >>I hope is works for you too. > >> > >>See ya, Here is the link again: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-euro-support/ guran -- Mandrake Linux 8.2 Cooker kernel-2.4.17.7mdk-1-1mdk version:2002-01-20-17:33
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
andre wrote: >>guran wrote: >> >>>On Fridayen den 18 January 2002 05.22, guran wrote: >>> On Thursdayen den 17 January 2002 21.47, Guy Zelck wrote: >So I think X is configured correctly. Is kde ignoring X's settings and >doing sth. of its own? >What do you mean with " > >hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever'" exactly. > >>>I finally found it: in /usr/lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/include/ euro.inc.gz >>># Euro and cent >>># [Say: "loadkeys euro" to get Euro and cent with Alt on the positions >>># where many keyboards have E and C. >>># To get it displayed, use a latin0 (i.e., latin9) font.] >>> >>># >>># keysyms can't be used as they are locale dependent >>># >>> >>>altgr keycode 18 = 0xa4 # currency >>>altgr keycode 46 = 0xa2 # cent >>> >>>regards >>>guran >>> >>Goran, >> >>Forget about euro.inc.gz, I've got the same in there as you but solved >>the Euro problem now! >> >>Thanks to the interesting links you gave in your previous message I was >>able to clear the problem (thanks Debian) and in fact it's only a very >>minor change I had to apply. >>It concerns the LANG variable. From stock I had LANG=nl, well by simply >>changing it to LANG=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 the Euro symbol appeared when >>typed in kedit! I had to be sth. as crazy like this. And to think no one >>from Mandrake was able to give us this hint? >> >> >>The documents sum up all the changes you need to apply to various apps >>to give them the Euro. I now also have it in Eterm!!! >>I jumped to the ceiling and stayed stuck there for 2 sec., then fell >>down again; what a kick! This has been a very rewarding Sunday evening! >> >>I hope is works for you too. >> >>See ya, >> >>Guy. >> >> >Don't seem to work, CTRL-ALT-5 doesn't do anything but beep > > > I don't know where you guys get this key combination from, but this never worked for me on my belgian kyb. and Mandrake8.1. I have two other ways to get the Euro : 1. The obvious way : AltGr + e 2. With the compose key method : Compose key + e + = ( My compose key is the key with the Windows flag but not everyone has this of course). Have a try, Guy.
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
> > guran wrote: > > >On Fridayen den 18 January 2002 05.22, guran wrote: > > > >>On Thursdayen den 17 January 2002 21.47, Guy Zelck wrote: > >> > >>>So I think X is configured correctly. Is kde ignoring X's settings and > >>>doing sth. of its own? > >>>What do you mean with " > >>> > >>>hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever'" exactly. > >>> > > > >I finally found it: in /usr/lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/include/ euro.inc.gz > ># Euro and cent > ># [Say: "loadkeys euro" to get Euro and cent with Alt on the positions > ># where many keyboards have E and C. > ># To get it displayed, use a latin0 (i.e., latin9) font.] > > > ># > ># keysyms can't be used as they are locale dependent > ># > > > >altgr keycode 18 = 0xa4 # currency > >altgr keycode 46 = 0xa2 # cent > > > >regards > >guran > > > Goran, > > Forget about euro.inc.gz, I've got the same in there as you but solved > the Euro problem now! > > Thanks to the interesting links you gave in your previous message I was > able to clear the problem (thanks Debian) and in fact it's only a very > minor change I had to apply. > It concerns the LANG variable. From stock I had LANG=nl, well by simply > changing it to LANG=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 the Euro symbol appeared when > typed in kedit! I had to be sth. as crazy like this. And to think no one > from Mandrake was able to give us this hint? > > > The documents sum up all the changes you need to apply to various apps > to give them the Euro. I now also have it in Eterm!!! > I jumped to the ceiling and stayed stuck there for 2 sec., then fell > down again; what a kick! This has been a very rewarding Sunday evening! > > I hope is works for you too. > > See ya, > > Guy. > > Don't seem to work, CTRL-ALT-5 doesn't do anything but beep
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
guran wrote: >On Fridayen den 18 January 2002 05.22, guran wrote: > >>On Thursdayen den 17 January 2002 21.47, Guy Zelck wrote: >> >>>So I think X is configured correctly. Is kde ignoring X's settings and >>>doing sth. of its own? >>>What do you mean with " >>> >>>hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever'" exactly. >>> > >I finally found it: in /usr/lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/include/ euro.inc.gz ># Euro and cent ># [Say: "loadkeys euro" to get Euro and cent with Alt on the positions ># where many keyboards have E and C. ># To get it displayed, use a latin0 (i.e., latin9) font.] > ># ># keysyms can't be used as they are locale dependent ># > >altgr keycode 18 = 0xa4 # currency >altgr keycode 46 = 0xa2 # cent > >regards >guran > Goran, Forget about euro.inc.gz, I've got the same in there as you but solved the Euro problem now! Thanks to the interesting links you gave in your previous message I was able to clear the problem (thanks Debian) and in fact it's only a very minor change I had to apply. It concerns the LANG variable. From stock I had LANG=nl, well by simply changing it to LANG=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 the Euro symbol appeared when typed in kedit! I had to be sth. as crazy like this. And to think no one from Mandrake was able to give us this hint? The documents sum up all the changes you need to apply to various apps to give them the Euro. I now also have it in Eterm!!! I jumped to the ceiling and stayed stuck there for 2 sec., then fell down again; what a kick! This has been a very rewarding Sunday evening! I hope is works for you too. See ya, Guy.
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
On Fridayen den 18 January 2002 05.22, guran wrote: > On Thursdayen den 17 January 2002 21.47, Guy Zelck wrote: > > So I think X is configured correctly. Is kde ignoring X's settings and > > doing sth. of its own? > > What do you mean with " > > > > hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever'" exactly. I finally found it: in /usr/lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/include/ euro.inc.gz # Euro and cent # [Say: "loadkeys euro" to get Euro and cent with Alt on the positions # where many keyboards have E and C. # To get it displayed, use a latin0 (i.e., latin9) font.] # # keysyms can't be used as they are locale dependent # altgr keycode 18 = 0xa4 # currency altgr keycode 46 = 0xa2 # cent regards guran -- Mandrake Linux 8.2 Cooker kernel-2.4.17.5mdk-1-1mdk version:2002-01-15-15:20
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
On Thursdayen den 17 January 2002 21.47, Guy Zelck wrote: > > So I think X is configured correctly. Is kde ignoring X's settings and > doing sth. of its own? > What do you mean with " > > hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever'" exactly. > > Guy. Well, I have problem finding it now, but somewhere I found the relevant keys for the euro like 'key 26 = 0'. Contrary to you I think the problem is in how XF86 and KDE cooperates. in /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.se I have: !charset "iso-8859-1" and in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/se I have: // and all of ISO-8859-1 characters available. name[Group1]= "Swedish"; To me this means that XF86 is ready to sell ISO-8859-1 any time. But in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals I have: [Locale] Charset=iso8859-15 Country=se Language=sv This discrepancy is the problem I think. Documents are at: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-euro-support/ch-applications.en.html http://www.koffice.org/kword/euro.phtml The very root to this according to my guess is in the installation, in report.bug there are plenty of reports about failure to install locale. regards guran -- Mandrake Linux 8.2 Cooker kernel-2.4.17.5mdk-1-1mdk version:2002-01-15-15:20
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
So sprach »Guy Zelck« am 2002-01-17 um 21:47:31 +0100 : > Same results with nl_BE@euro on my md8.1. It's only in KDE that the euro > is missing, xterm, gedit, mozilla display it right. Ah, fine. So it's that KDE bug that's hitting you as well. Suggestion: Dump KDE ;) Honestly, I also tried to get the ¤ to work in KDE, but after some time I just gave up on KDE. Now, since I'm a Gnome user, it's no big loss for me. Let's just hope that KDE 3 works with the ¤. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 3 days 0 hours 31 minutes
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
Hi Guran, guran wrote: >On Thursdayen den 17 January 2002 02.15, you wrote: > >>>Hi >>> >>>1.622 &c >>> >>>Is it possible that the hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever' when >>>attaching the Euro characters to key's are just mis-typed? - as >>>AltGR-shift-e gives ¢ = cent character and AltGR-e gives nothing. This is >>>with sv as language to use and enUk as advanced. >>> Same results with nl_BE@euro on my md8.1. It's only in KDE that the euro is missing, xterm, gedit, mozilla display it right. So I think X is configured correctly. Is kde ignoring X's settings and doing sth. of its own? What do you mean with " hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever'" exactly. Guy.
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
On Thursdayen den 17 January 2002 02.15, you wrote: > > Hi > > > > 1.622 &c > > > > Is it possible that the hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever' when > > attaching the Euro characters to key's are just mis-typed? - as > > AltGR-shift-e gives ¢ = cent character and AltGR-e gives nothing. This is > > with sv as language to use and enUk as advanced. > > > > regards > > guran > > You atleast get some money. CTRL-ALT-5 doesn't give nothing for me. I like your positive attitude. guran -- Mandrake Linux 8.2 Cooker kernel-2.4.17.6mdk-1-1mdk version:2002-01-16-23:29
Re: [Cooker] On Euro
> > Hi > > 1.622 &c > > Is it possible that the hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever' when attaching > the Euro characters to key's are just mis-typed? - as AltGR-shift-e gives ¢ > = cent character and AltGR-e gives nothing. This is with sv as language to > use and enUk as advanced. > > regards > guran You atleast get some money. CTRL-ALT-5 doesn't give nothing for me.
[Cooker] On Euro
Hi 1.622 &c Is it possible that the hexadecimal codes given to 'whatever' when attaching the Euro characters to key's are just mis-typed? - as AltGR-shift-e gives ¢ = cent character and AltGR-e gives nothing. This is with sv as language to use and enUk as advanced. regards guran -- Mandrake Linux 8.2 Cooker kernel-2.4.17.6mdk-1-1mdk version:2002-01-16-23:29
