Re: [Cooker] Why 700MB CDs there is easyer to write to 650MB and less to download
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:23, Adam Williamson wrote: > Current Mandrake ISOs burn > happily to my 700MB CDs from a rather old Sony CDRW. No overburning, > nothing special. I just write them using xcdroast, and they come out > fine. Ditto, and on a dodgy Diamond drive at that (e.g. it won't burn LASER brand media at any speed or size); the same images also work with Nero on a 'doze box. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Why 700MB CDs there is easyer to write to 650MB and less to download
On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:51, Tom Whiting wrote: > It's not that simple. Yes, it is. > Mandrake overpacks the CD's plain and simple. No, it doesn't. > While 650 is starting to be the low standard, umm, 700m is pushing the limit. > Personally, my burner can handle 689m (that's the most i've tested), but it Your burner is defective or you are using it wrong. > can't handle the newer ISO's. Why? Who cares. I just know what it can not > do. you can't just pack a cd rom that is (supposed) to be only 700m with 700m > of data and give it no room for the sync. What the fuck do you mean, "the sync"? Current Mandrake ISOs burn happily to my 700MB CDs from a rather old Sony CDRW. No overburning, nothing special. I just write them using xcdroast, and they come out fine. Are you possibly not using DAO mode? -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Why 700MB CDs there is easyer to write to 650MB and less to download
> You can buy new burners for about $30 ($40 for a 24-40x) that can easily > handle 700MB discs. If you have a burner that can't (as 700MB discs are > the now defacto standard and almost completly replace 650s)), it's > either very buggy or total junk. That extra 50MB per disc won't take > too much longer when you figure the download time for the total set, and > that extra 150MB set just might have the killer utility you need to fill > in the gaps on any system. > > You could always reduce the size of the discs to 500MB so that someone > with a very buggy 1X burner can make discs too, but that's even more > foolish. As long as the official iso's don't require a dvd-r (I go this > route myself) or overburning, I say pack them as full as possible. It's not that simple. Mandrake overpacks the CD's plain and simple. While 650 is starting to be the low standard, umm, 700m is pushing the limit. Personally, my burner can handle 689m (that's the most i've tested), but it can't handle the newer ISO's. Why? Who cares. I just know what it can not do. you can't just pack a cd rom that is (supposed) to be only 700m with 700m of data and give it no room for the sync. **shrug** I'll shut up before someone decides to call me a "whiner" again (wonderful example of the 'understanding" staff at mandrake right?). I'm just waiting till i can get more cd's and burn a real os, one that supports it's customers, and respects them -- TJW: Head tech, Dreamless Realms Mud: http://dreamless.wolfstream.net Snippets http://dreamless.wolfstream.net/ Telnet dreamless.wolfstream.net:9275 The OLC Pages http://olc.wolfstream.net
Re: [Cooker] Why 700MB CDs there is easyer to write to 650MB and less to download
On Friday 06 September 2002 04:54 pm, Texstar wrote: > Keep in mind that people coming from Windows who may want to try Linux > (Mandrake of course) need to be able to burn them from Windows > applications as well. Any decent windows burning program (CDRWIN, Nero, etc) can burn 700 meg discs just fine. -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] Why 700MB CDs there is easyer to write to 650MB and less to download
On Friday 06 September 2002 02:29 am, Sitsofe Wheeler wrote: > On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 21:41, erik wrote: > > If for instance Openoffice is remove from download version no problem to > > get M9.0 into three 650MB CDs. Possible to burn CDs from 650MB burners > > increase market. > > And less download time > > Unfortunately OpenOffice is exactly the sort of app that I want on my > CDs. So what you are suggesting is a something I would hate to see > Mandrake do. You don't even have to get anything past the first CD if > you just want a basic system... > > There is a fine line between what's useful and what will be too many CDs > and I want to see how the current situation pans out. The whole reason > why I prefer Mandrake to RedHat is because I don't have to download all > the extra apps I use separately from the distro. You're absolutely right. Download time is not really relevant here - if you can download 3 650MB CDs, you can download 3 700MB CDs in about the same time. 99% of the burners out there work OK with 700MB media (My old 2x Ricoh burns them just fine, and I can't imagine anything older than that burner), most of the media out there is 700MB, and throwing away essential apps just so that people can burn them on their antique CD burners or cheap old media is pointless. -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] Why 700MB CDs there is easyer to write to 650MB and less to download
On Friday 06 September 2002 11:49, Byron Poland wrote: I dont mind the 700 meg cd's, they are not any more difficult to burn than 650 mb cd's just a different pice of media. I would prefer the 700 over the 650 so more goodies can be included. > On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 11:19, Vox wrote: > > Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I disagree, IMHO the download CD's should be as complete as > > > > possible. For example, AFAIK the 3rd CD of the betas and RC1 has had > > > > nearly 200MB of free space left on it while important contrib > > > > packages have been left out. This should not be the case. If a 3rd CD > > > > is available, it should be full. > > > > > > The 3 download CDs are the exact replication of the 3 standard or > > > powerpack first CDs, except for the 150 MB of commercial apps on the > > > disc 3. > > > > > > As a consequence the download edition will have a CD 3 of 560 MB. > > > > > > Contribs will not the present on the download edition, only main, > > > contribs CD will be available in powerpack and prosuite only. > > > > > > All the packages will be available on the live tree, of course. > > > > Will they be urpmi-able? Contrib stuff has never been installable > > through urpmi except on the release CDs, and now that it won't be > > available in the dld edition would be a good time to add the > > hdlist.cz to it...right? :) > > > > Vox > > If the symbolic link is set up correctly on the server you can do: > > uprmi.addmedia contrib ftp://PATH_TO/Mandrake/RPMS2 with > ../base/hdlist2.cz
Re: [Cooker] Why 700MB CDs there is easyer to write to 650MB and less to download
Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I disagree, IMHO the download CD's should be as complete as > > possible. For example, AFAIK the 3rd CD of the betas and RC1 has had > > nearly 200MB of free space left on it while important contrib packages > > have been left out. This should not be the case. If a 3rd CD is > > available, it should be full. > > The 3 download CDs are the exact replication of the 3 standard or powerpack > first CDs, except for the 150 MB of commercial apps on the disc 3. > > As a consequence the download edition will have a CD 3 of 560 MB. > > Contribs will not the present on the download edition, only main, contribs > CD will be available in powerpack and prosuite only. > > All the packages will be available on the live tree, of course. Will they be urpmi-able? Contrib stuff has never been installable through urpmi except on the release CDs, and now that it won't be available in the dld edition would be a good time to add the hdlist.cz to it...right? :) Vox -- Pain is the gift of the gods, and I'm the one they chose as their messenger For info on safety in the BDSM lifestyle http://www.the-vox.com Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr.
Re: [Cooker] Why 700MB CDs there is easyer to write to 650MB and less to download
The interesting question is whether this move is intended to: a: animate people to buy powerpack or prosuite and/or b: save download bandwidth ? Sascha On Friday 06 September 2002 05:52 am, Warly wrote: > Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I disagree, IMHO the download CD's should be as complete as > > possible. For example, AFAIK the 3rd CD of the betas and RC1 has had > > nearly 200MB of free space left on it while important contrib packages > > have been left out. This should not be the case. If a 3rd CD is > > available, it should be full. > > The 3 download CDs are the exact replication of the 3 standard or powerpack > first CDs, except for the 150 MB of commercial apps on the disc 3. > > As a consequence the download edition will have a CD 3 of 560 MB. > > Contribs will not the present on the download edition, only main, contribs > CD will be available in powerpack and prosuite only. > > All the packages will be available on the live tree, of course.
[Cooker] Why 700MB CDs there is easyer to write to 650MB and less to download
If for instance Openoffice is remove from download version no problem to get M9.0 into three 650MB CDs. Possible to burn CDs from 650MB burners increase market. And less download time Erik
