Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
Pierre Jarillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It would be great to include a switch supermount enable|disable in drakconf. drakconf already enable you to disable supermount per mount point for floppies, zip, ...
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
Le Jeudi 20 Mars 2003 13:27, Götz Waschk a écrit : > > . Disabling supermount and rebooting > > solved the problem. > > That's why I've given up supermount a long time ago. That's the first > thing I disable when I install a new Mandrake machine. I agree with that. It would be great to include a switch supermount enable|disable in drakconf. When disabled, it is easy to create icons on the desktop according to fsttab. This could be done automaticaly. -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Jan Ciger wrote: > Actually, the supermount is still buggy, just a bit less than the old one in > 9.0 - yesterday my USB Zip drive (the new 750MB variety) started to act up, > showing the free capacity of the disk to be only cca 100MB, even when only > 300MB file was on the disk. Disabling supermount and rebooting solved the > problem. > > Not to mention the annoying scanning of the Zip drive accompanied by a > jet-like noise of the drive spinning up every time I enter the /mnt directory > or connect some USB device (e.g. my webcam or Sony Clie). Actually, this > scanning blocks the system for few seconds completely, until the drive spins > up. Pretty bad, IMHO. And I am using the multimedia kernel, with low latency > on, kernel preempting on, so you would expect this not to happen. Andrey Borsenkov has done a tremendous job of improving supermount. Actually it is an almost complete rewrite which could not go into the main kernel yet. I did decide to already put it in kernel-multimedia because it was much stabler on my boxes (and it had some trivial conveniences with the other patches I added). However, there may ofcourse be bugs than I am not aware off. If the zipdrive problem was the kernel-mm 16mdk, it would be very nice if you can try to reproduce that case. About the jet noise: If you enter mnt with konqueror, yes, the drive may start spinning. This is a konqueror bug, and the patch (checking whether the fstab entry contains 'none' is actually a hack, and should be improved). Also, if you configured the zip with fstype=auto, it may try to mount it as UFS, which will take a long time. I'm testing a new version of supermount now which will let you specify multiple fstypes per device, so hopefully that will solve the issue (in addition, it will let you remove the CD even when files are still open (which includes being in a dir on the drive with konqueror). Since it make take a while before the kernel team decides to include this new supermount (I think Juan would like to very critically look at it, and I do not when he has time). But if people like it, I can make kernel rpms available with these patches available somewhere. Either in the kernel-mm (but Adam was right that this should not be the correct place for testing these things) or somewhere else (ideas). This way, we will be able to do a lot of testing, with more hardware. And hopefully get a very good supermount in 9.2. danny
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
On Thursday 20 March 2003 13:07, Götz Waschk wrote: > It's not enough to ask one or two times to get some driver included in > the kernel. You have to get on you knees and beg for it. > > Seriously, the kernel developer is too busy for this, the best chance > you have is to write a nice working patch and mail it to the > maintainer. Even this is no guarantee, as the trouble with supermount > showed. Nothing I can do (provide a patch) or would do (beggin' and complaining endless for this). I have no problem to compile it myself, the only reason for me to complain is to make Mandrake better and make it easier for newbies. What belongs to supermount, I never had any problems with it, I love to have it. -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
Am Donnerstag, 20. März 2003, 13:21:06 Uhr MET, schrieb Jan Ciger: > Actually, the supermount is still buggy, just a bit less than the old one in > 9.0 - yesterday my USB Zip drive (the new 750MB variety) started to act up, > showing the free capacity of the disk to be only cca 100MB, even when only > 300MB file was on the disk. Disabling supermount and rebooting solved the > problem. That's why I've given up supermount a long time ago. That's the first thing I disable when I install a new Mandrake machine. -- What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 March 2003 13:07, Götz Waschk wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 20. März 2003, 11:45:02 Uhr MET, schrieb Bruno Prior: > > That's exactly right. And I asked about this on 31 Dec, so there was > > plenty of time to include if wanted. It's not a problem not to include > > it, but it is a minor nuisance to include an out-of-date version. Better > > to take it out altogether. > > It's not enough to ask one or two times to get some driver included in > the kernel. You have to get on you knees and beg for it. > > Seriously, the kernel developer is too busy for this, the best chance > you have is to write a nice working patch and mail it to the > maintainer. Even this is no guarantee, as the trouble with supermount > showed. Actually, the supermount is still buggy, just a bit less than the old one in 9.0 - yesterday my USB Zip drive (the new 750MB variety) started to act up, showing the free capacity of the disk to be only cca 100MB, even when only 300MB file was on the disk. Disabling supermount and rebooting solved the problem. Not to mention the annoying scanning of the Zip drive accompanied by a jet-like noise of the drive spinning up every time I enter the /mnt directory or connect some USB device (e.g. my webcam or Sony Clie). Actually, this scanning blocks the system for few seconds completely, until the drive spins up. Pretty bad, IMHO. And I am using the multimedia kernel, with low latency on, kernel preempting on, so you would expect this not to happen. Jan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+ebIyn11XseNj94gRAtjFAJ9w9AIUmpLM5yMwvnQwRdluE6F4lgCfc7zA mBA8cBFEDMDDrcccLiyUOM4= =p8Ro -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:45, Bruno Prior wrote: > Steffen Barszus wrote: > > HEAD is in the meantime the stable Branch (DVB) (since weeks). AFAIK the > > dvb drivers are in 1.0 RC and they are a lot improved over the 0.9.4 > > release (what I suspect is that the one that comes with the mandrake > > kernel are 0.9.4, I would say the are 0.8.x but I can't say for sure). > > And I forwarded the 1.0beta or RC announce from linux-dvb to cooker. So > > yes his question comes to late, but I had allready 3 related mails about > > it. But with the current development speed of linuxdvb it is better to > > get the latest from linux-dvb anyway. Just no need to carry the old > > drivers within the kernel. > > That's exactly right. And I asked about this on 31 Dec, so there was > plenty of time to include if wanted. It's not a problem not to include > it, but it is a minor nuisance to include an out-of-date version. Better > to take it out altogether. > > The same goes for the dabusb driver. > > And another thing that is a small annoyance with regard to the dabusb > driver: the driver is included, but devfs does not appear to be > configured to provide the device file(s), so it's pretty useless without > fiddling behind the scenes. And likewise, I could find no applications > for using the drivers for dvb or dabusb in main or contrib, nor could I > find any documentation to explain what was needed. Basically, as you > need to download the source packages to do anything useful, these > drivers in their current state are pretty useless. > > Maybe updating dvb and dabusb can be added to the TODO list for 9.2. Maybe is the wrong word ;) They definitly should ! I would assume that vdr will become stable (1.2.0) in near future, the drivers too (1.0.0), and vdr is a killer-application. I know quite some people that get linux to run vdr alone. -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
Am Donnerstag, 20. März 2003, 11:45:02 Uhr MET, schrieb Bruno Prior: > That's exactly right. And I asked about this on 31 Dec, so there was > plenty of time to include if wanted. It's not a problem not to include > it, but it is a minor nuisance to include an out-of-date version. Better > to take it out altogether. It's not enough to ask one or two times to get some driver included in the kernel. You have to get on you knees and beg for it. Seriously, the kernel developer is too busy for this, the best chance you have is to write a nice working patch and mail it to the maintainer. Even this is no guarantee, as the trouble with supermount showed. -- What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
Steffen Barszus wrote: HEAD is in the meantime the stable Branch (DVB) (since weeks). AFAIK the dvb drivers are in 1.0 RC and they are a lot improved over the 0.9.4 release (what I suspect is that the one that comes with the mandrake kernel are 0.9.4, I would say the are 0.8.x but I can't say for sure). And I forwarded the 1.0beta or RC announce from linux-dvb to cooker. So yes his question comes to late, but I had allready 3 related mails about it. But with the current development speed of linuxdvb it is better to get the latest from linux-dvb anyway. Just no need to carry the old drivers within the kernel. That's exactly right. And I asked about this on 31 Dec, so there was plenty of time to include if wanted. It's not a problem not to include it, but it is a minor nuisance to include an out-of-date version. Better to take it out altogether. The same goes for the dabusb driver. And another thing that is a small annoyance with regard to the dabusb driver: the driver is included, but devfs does not appear to be configured to provide the device file(s), so it's pretty useless without fiddling behind the scenes. And likewise, I could find no applications for using the drivers for dvb or dabusb in main or contrib, nor could I find any documentation to explain what was needed. Basically, as you need to download the source packages to do anything useful, these drivers in their current state are pretty useless. Maybe updating dvb and dabusb can be added to the TODO list for 9.2. Cheers, Bruno Prior
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
On Wednesday 19 March 2003 14:00, Götz Waschk wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 19. März 2003, 13:35:22 Uhr MET, schrieb Francesc Pinyol Margalef: > > Is it planned for final 9.1 to update the DVB drivers under > > 3rdparty/mod_dvb? > > No. Don't you think it's a little bit too late to ask this after the > final release? > > BTW Isn't the DVB driver in the cooker kernel the latest stable > release (that is no HEAD snapshot)? HEAD is in the meantime the stable Branch (DVB) (since weeks). AFAIK the dvb drivers are in 1.0 RC and they are a lot improved over the 0.9.4 release (what I suspect is that the one that comes with the mandrake kernel are 0.9.4, I would say the are 0.8.x but I can't say for sure). And I forwarded the 1.0beta or RC announce from linux-dvb to cooker. So yes his question comes to late, but I had allready 3 related mails about it. But with the current development speed of linuxdvb it is better to get the latest from linux-dvb anyway. Just no need to carry the old drivers within the kernel. -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks
Re: [Cooker] dvb on kernel
Am Mittwoch, 19. März 2003, 13:35:22 Uhr MET, schrieb Francesc Pinyol Margalef: > Is it planned for final 9.1 to update the DVB drivers under > 3rdparty/mod_dvb? No. Don't you think it's a little bit too late to ask this after the final release? BTW Isn't the DVB driver in the cooker kernel the latest stable release (that is no HEAD snapshot)? -- Götz Waschk <> master of computer science <> University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key --> Logout Fascism! <--
[Cooker] dvb on kernel
Hi! Is it planned for final 9.1 to update the DVB drivers under 3rdparty/mod_dvb? Thanks, Francesc -- Francesc Pinyol Margalef[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra.es/personal9/francesc.pinyol/
