Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
On Wednesdayen den 24 October 2001 16.28, Juan Quintela wrote: > > "oden" == Oden Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Problem is: > > oden> 1. It sounds real crazy when you pick quotations and mince words. > oden> 2. Let me rephrase myself. > oden> 3. "Ok, if installing from a cd, can't many of the ramdisk stuff be > located oden> on the cd?." > oden> 4. Note that the "if installing from a cd," part was implied and left > out in > > what do you do when you need to change CDs? Perhaps an installation > method that only lets you install things from the 1st CD in the first > installation is doable, but nothing else. My first thought was to have an identical setup on all the CD:s, where all the nessesary executables resides (CDROM(1,2,3):/bin/*). I do know too little about the install phase, I'm trying to learn because it's very interesting. -- Oden Eriksson, Jokkmokk, Sweden. Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Cooker) for i586, kernel 2.4.12-4mdksmp. Uptime: 3:18
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
> "oden" == Oden Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Problem is: oden> 1. It sounds real crazy when you pick quotations and mince words. oden> 2. Let me rephrase myself. oden> 3. "Ok, if installing from a cd, can't many of the ramdisk stuff be located oden> on the cd?." oden> 4. Note that the "if installing from a cd," part was implied and left out in what do you do when you need to change CDs? Perhaps an installation method that only lets you install things from the 1st CD in the first installation is doable, but nothing else. Later, Juan. -- In theory, practice and theory are the same, but in practice they are different -- Larry McVoy
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized? need for 486ified installer
On Friday 19 October 2001 04:04, the sad lizard wrote: > Leon Brooks wrote: >> There are a *lot* of 486es out there which are useful in this capacity. >> Some of them will be diskless, in which case the ``distro'' would be >> installed to be a remote-bootable image on a better machine rather than >> as the primary/only installation on a 386/486. > in which case the entire point, getting the installer and base to work > on 386+, doesn't apply. The entire point was getting a workable distro 486-compatible. This means X, window managers and at least core apps as well. Even given your limitation, 486ness is needed for disked systems, unless you want to 486ify just the running kernel and apps - not the installer - and go through the hassles of installing on one machine, then rearranging stuff for another, for each workstation?
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
Don Head wrote: >>>There are a *lot* of 486es out there which are useful in >>> >>this capacity. Some >> >>>of them will be diskless, in which case the ``distro'' >>> >>would be installed to >> >>>be a remote-bootable image on a better machine rather than as the >>>primary/only installation on a 386/486. >>> >>in which case the entire point, getting the installer and >>base to work >>on 386+, doesn't apply. >> > > I think it still does apply, actually. The stuff on the > bootable image still has to be executed on the processor, > so if it's an i386 or i486, the software has to be > compiled as such. So it's not like you can tar up a > Mandrake box and call it a bootable image for an i386.You'd have to put > together an entire filesystem for the i386 to use, and what better way to do > that than use the installer. > > Take an i386/i486 system, get the installer to work, install everything you > need, then tar up it's filesystem and you have yourself a bootable image. I > think that's by far the easiest way to make that work. Yeah, there's other > ways of doing it, but isn't that a lot easier? > > > Don Head > SAIR LCA, CIW-P, i-Net+, Network+, A+ > > Systems Administrator [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Web Designer[ 1 314 650-4056 ] > [ AIM - Don Wave ] [ ICQ - 18804935 ] [ Yahoo - Don_Wave ] > > > well, when he was talking of a (possibly even diskless) node working off an installation on a 586 then at least you would be using the installer on the other and on that sys (unless you are fond of doing things the hard way) tarring up if non diskless a minimal boot environ before switching over. It would be an unnecessary pain to do it on the i3/4. Either way, you and Oden were not holding this like a sausage in front of a sled dog so either way you still have your work cut out :). (Daniel Robbins is, sad to say, recently out of work too. Get him to help ;p. j/k, not exactly his distro. :), two bad jokes in one parenthetical expression. I'm gettin' good...)
RE: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
> > There are a *lot* of 486es out there which are useful in > this capacity. Some > > of them will be diskless, in which case the ``distro'' > would be installed to > > be a remote-bootable image on a better machine rather than as the > > primary/only installation on a 386/486. > > in which case the entire point, getting the installer and > base to work > on 386+, doesn't apply. I think it still does apply, actually. The stuff on the bootable image still has to be executed on the processor, so if it's an i386 or i486, the software has to be compiled as such. So it's not like you can tar up a Mandrake box and call it a bootable image for an i386.You'd have to put together an entire filesystem for the i386 to use, and what better way to do that than use the installer. Take an i386/i486 system, get the installer to work, install everything you need, then tar up it's filesystem and you have yourself a bootable image. I think that's by far the easiest way to make that work. Yeah, there's other ways of doing it, but isn't that a lot easier? Don Head SAIR LCA, CIW-P, i-Net+, Network+, A+ Systems Administrator [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Web Designer[ 1 314 650-4056 ] [ AIM - Don Wave ] [ ICQ - 18804935 ] [ Yahoo - Don_Wave ]
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
Leon Brooks wrote: > On Thursday 18 October 2001 08:53, you wrote: > >>duh. You gonna be using that 486 for much more than a >>server/router/gateway/firewall/fs? >> > > Yes, as a thin X client. Not, I hasten to add, for using FlightGear or > TuxRacer (or - normally - even The GIMP) on, just dinky little 2D apps like > KMail, Konqueror and Konsole. > > There are a *lot* of 486es out there which are useful in this capacity. Some > of them will be diskless, in which case the ``distro'' would be installed to > be a remote-bootable image on a better machine rather than as the > primary/only installation on a 386/486. > > > in which case the entire point, getting the installer and base to work on 386+, doesn't apply.
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized? - text install
Oden Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > Try it -- mostly you don't, except of course one-question steps where it's > > not very logical. > > I have now taken the time to check the drakx sources, even though I'm no > coder I can understand some of it. It seems like a very extensive job you > have put into this! Well... > And as I said I'm no coder, I can't really say where in the code it swallows > so much ram. > > But there are stuff in there like resolver things that I find unnessesary, I > mean, if you can live with IP addressing only, in the network install phase > (ftp and http) to gain ram lets do it. Well. Too little use, for me. > BTW. is that diet libc resolving based on djbdns, or bind 8.2 from glibc? Dunno. > Another thing, how do I uncompress those *.rdz files? zcat. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized? - text install
Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 17 October 2001 23:57, Guillaume wrote: > > I have also recently revived the "stdio" install -- you should give it a > > try for a good laugh on how it was to install distrib 5 years ago ;p. > > > "linux stdio" at boot. > > Sounds terrifying. Do I lose the ability to edit my responses to installer > questions? (-: Try it -- mostly you don't, except of course one-question steps where it's not very logical. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
> > On Wednesdayen den 17 October 2001 21.46, Blue Lizard wrote: > > > > duh. You gonna be using that 486 for much more than a > > server/router/gateway/firewall/fs? > > No, I don't think so :) > > Maybe this is the way to do it. I mean, who will ever consider running for > instance X on such old and slow hardvare. A 486 is overkill for an X terminal. > > Strip down the 8.1 distro to contain only the nessesary stuff for machines > less than i586. > > And then follows the disputable question what's essential stuff... > > -- > Oden Eriksson, Jokkmokk, Sweden. > Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) for i586, kernel 2.4.10-6mdksmp. Uptime: > 21 min >
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
On Thursday 18 October 2001 08:53, you wrote: > duh. You gonna be using that 486 for much more than a > server/router/gateway/firewall/fs? Yes, as a thin X client. Not, I hasten to add, for using FlightGear or TuxRacer (or - normally - even The GIMP) on, just dinky little 2D apps like KMail, Konqueror and Konsole. There are a *lot* of 486es out there which are useful in this capacity. Some of them will be diskless, in which case the ``distro'' would be installed to be a remote-bootable image on a better machine rather than as the primary/only installation on a 386/486.
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
The market is even NULL sized. But what seems important to me is to keep avaliable Mdk 5.3 (the last i386 compiled version), which could be usefull for shools trying to install X terminals. I say this because I've done that on an university at Toulouse France, and I've since lost the Festen cd. So it would be nice to keep avaliable each release, only in one server... José /\ | José Jorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>| | TEKLYNX International http://www.teklynx.com | \/ Guillaume Cottenceau To: Fabrice FACORAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized? Sent by: gc@mandrakeso ft.com 05/10/2001 14:39 Please respond to cooker Fabrice FACORAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > ?? that arch was last supported with 7.0... > > Myabe it's time to port 7.2 to 486 ... I know several people that want > to use mdk as routeur on a 486 computer, unfortunately 7.0 is a little > bit ... old The market is too small. > Or Maybe SNF or ProSuite ( the server specialise pack ) might be a > better candidat. Yes SNF runs on i486, it's targetted for these computers. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
Le Vendredi 5 Octobre 2001 12:32, Guillaume Cottenceau scribit : > Mike & Tracy Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hey Cooker, > > I was wondering if there might be any plans to optimize 8.1 for use > > on an i486? I know you guys have been working hard on all the releases > > that are out; not to sound un-appreciative, just curious : ) > > ?? that arch was last supported with 7.0... Myabe it's time to port 7.2 to 486 ... I know several people that want to use mdk as routeur on a 486 computer, unfortunately 7.0 is a little bit ... old Or Maybe SNF or ProSuite ( the server specialise pack ) might be a better candidat. -- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html - L'homme est de glace aux verites IL est de feu pour les mensonges. -- Jean de La Fontaine, Le Statuaire et la Statue de Jupiter
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
> > >>I was wondering if there might be any plans to optimize 8.1 for use >>on an i486? I know you guys have been working hard on all the releases >>that are out; not to sound un-appreciative, just curious : ) >> >You can do that yourself if interested and have an idle machine. Pull all of >the source RPMS, chane your default architecture and rebuild the lot with one >command and much waiting, and same with the installer components (a bit more >work). Then do a makecd. Note that I don't speak from experience here, this >is theory only. (-: > I'm doing it on an alpha at the moment, I'm using a script I made to automatically install the BuildRequires for packages (hence I've been fixing many BuildRequires), store the buildoutput, etc. etc It's working rather well, I took a RedHat 7.1 / rawhide install on my alpha and am slowy converting everything to Mandrake packages. When the Linux kit becomes available on the PlayStation 2, I might consider doing a port of Mandrake to that architecture too :-) >Come to think of it, having an SRPM of the installer stuff would be handy. > It's available, DrakX-8.1-1mdk.src.rpm Stefan
Re: [Cooker] i486 optimized?
On Thursday 04 October 2001 09:19 pm, you wrote: > Hey Cooker, > I was wondering if there might be any plans to optimize 8.1 for use > on an i486? I know you guys have been working hard on all the releases > that are out; not to sound un-appreciative, just curious : ) > > tia, Mike Some 486 support would be quite welcome. Hoyt
[Cooker] i486 optimized?
Hey Cooker, I was wondering if there might be any plans to optimize 8.1 for use on an i486? I know you guys have been working hard on all the releases that are out; not to sound un-appreciative, just curious : ) tia, Mike
