Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on the second CD

2000-05-27 Thread Stefan van der Eijk

  How about including Star office 5.X on it? That is a free program, but
  not sure if Sun would agree to it.

 This is not really free [for example, we pay royalties for each printed
 CD].
Fair, that's the way it is...

 For the moment our politics are to limit as much as possible the amount of
 non open-source stuff on main installation CD [which is, now, CD
 Installation and CD Extension]
OK, what however could be provided is some kind of "rpm-wrapper" for
these
"closed software" programs. Maybe some kind of mechanism can be made
which
performs the following tasks:

- An icon show up in a "to be installed closed software menu"
- When you click the icon, the software will be downloaded from the
  software makers site ($un Micro$y$tem$ in this case) and an RPM
  will be made  installed. 
- Key is that the rpm which is made is "taylored" for mandrake. Which
  means that the menu items are in place, the files are placed in a
work-able
  place on the disk (according to the FS standards that mandrake lives
to),
  etc. etc. etc.

Goal of this mechanism will be:
- Not needing to distribute this software with the CD's (royalties)
- User performs "task" (one mouse-click) to download  install the
  software.
- User is provided with the "comfort" of a Mandrake packaged RPM.
- Updates of new "closed software" packages (acroread, staroffice,
  WP??) can be provided with this mechanism.

I know it goes far...

Stefan van der Eijk




Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on the second CD

2000-05-27 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau

Stefan van der Eijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  For the moment our politics are to limit as much as possible the amount of
  non open-source stuff on main installation CD [which is, now, CD
  Installation and CD Extension]

 OK, what however could be provided is some kind of "rpm-wrapper" for
 these "closed software" programs. Maybe some kind of mechanism can be
 made which performs the following tasks:
 
 - An icon show up in a "to be installed closed software menu"
 - When you click the icon, the software will be downloaded from the
   software makers site ($un Micro$y$tem$ in this case) and an RPM
   will be made  installed. 
 - Key is that the rpm which is made is "taylored" for mandrake. Which
   means that the menu items are in place, the files are placed in a
 work-able
   place on the disk (according to the FS standards that mandrake lives
 to),
   etc. etc. etc.

so we would have to work hard for "tayloring" closed apps, eating some
time that could be used to package free software apps?

I'm not sure there will be very much Mandrakesoft employees to do that..

-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau




RE: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on the second CD

2000-05-27 Thread B. K. Barley

Ok,

I can understand the download to avoid royalty fees, but that is a very
large download for one program.  Last time i downloaded SO 5.2B it was
around 70M...and of course it was not on a mirror so even on a cable modem
it took forever.
If I go out and spend 50-100$ for an distribution, I expect it to have all
the latest stable versions, and not have to download programs like SO.

Bryan

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  How about including Star office 5.X on it? That is a free program, but
  not sure if Sun would agree to it.

 This is not really free [for example, we pay royalties for each printed
 CD].
Fair, that's the way it is...

 For the moment our politics are to limit as much as possible the amount of
 non open-source stuff on main installation CD [which is, now, CD
 Installation and CD Extension]
OK, what however could be provided is some kind of "rpm-wrapper" for
these
"closed software" programs. Maybe some kind of mechanism can be made
which
performs the following tasks:

- An icon show up in a "to be installed closed software menu"
- When you click the icon, the software will be downloaded from the
  software makers site ($un Micro$y$tem$ in this case) and an RPM
  will be made  installed.
- Key is that the rpm which is made is "taylored" for mandrake. Which
  means that the menu items are in place, the files are placed in a
work-able
  place on the disk (according to the FS standards that mandrake lives
to),
  etc. etc. etc.

Goal of this mechanism will be:
- Not needing to distribute this software with the CD's (royalties)
- User performs "task" (one mouse-click) to download  install the
  software.
- User is provided with the "comfort" of a Mandrake packaged RPM.
- Updates of new "closed software" packages (acroread, staroffice,
  WP??) can be provided with this mechanism.

I know it goes far...

Stefan van der Eijk





Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on the second CD

2000-05-26 Thread Daniel Hammer

BS''D

Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
 For the moment our politics are to limit as much as possible the amount of
 non open-source stuff on main installation CD [which is, now, CD
 Installation and CD Extension]

... which is a very good decision

Daniel.