Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1179] [kdebase] Mandrake's new kdm is welcomedwith extreme displeasure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 20 February 2003 07:03 am, kde wrote: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I also want to express my displeasure with the new kdm. I have to add root to the list, to login as root which I dont like at all. Yes I know, I can CTRL-F[1-6], login as root, #startx ... but this sucks. In this form KDM is just standing in my way. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Nobody should log as root. All you can do as root can be done from an user account if you have root password. Root is not displayed in login managers for ages. True, but kdm at least gives you the opportunity to type it in though. Like it or not, a lot of people are going to be pissed off by this, and you are going to take a lot of criticism for this feature. Lot's of newbies like to log in as root because they do not want to type the root password over and over again while they are learning. This may not be the way they should work, but it is the way they want to work. I agree with the premise that we should help them develop good habits, just be prepared for the criticism to come. Newbies would learn a lot faster, and not have to reinstall all the time, if they never logged in as root. Most configuation you want to do can be done in Mandrake Control Center, and you only need to type your password once for it. You can run konqueror as root from the menu (Applications-File Tools-File Manager Super User Mode). Anything else, the user should know about su before they want to consider doing it. I agree with this change. If the user is experienced enough to run as root, they will know how to change it. Some things I do not like about mdkkdm, but this is not one of them. (I am still waiting for keyboard shortcuts for shutdown ...). Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+VNZlrJK6UGDSBKcRAj0uAJ4iB1F8E3p9G6eITlJr4a1hVjPVcwCgpj0G P1q0HYEbnjP8EBFAUc02Gf0= =TzlQ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1179] [kdebase] Mandrake's new kdm is welcomedwith extreme displeasure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 20 February 2003 08:21 am, Buchan Milne wrote: The workaround will be to switch to kdm, as is what I will probably do if this does not change, which is not a huge issue. Just be prepared. OK, prepare for a whole bunch of replies to a.o.l.m then (only over weekends) like this: 1)NEVER LOG IN AS ROOT. Use MCC or su 2)If you plan on spending more time than necessary fixing your own mistakes (do not expect help from me in that case): # urpmi kdebase-kdm; urpme mdkkdm; echo kde /etc/sysconfig/desktop Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQE+VOOMrJK6UGDSBKcRAgJsAJiRzEfxYKA2vKRrnGQV2fi431GKAKCP5uba XXsD15WAvxizXFNJhS7AtQ== =Wv52 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1179] [kdebase] Mandrake's new kdm is welcomedwith extreme displeasure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 20 February 2003 09:17 am, Buchan Milne wrote: 1)NEVER LOG IN AS ROOT. Use MCC or su 2)If you plan on spending more time than necessary fixing your own mistakes (do not expect help from me in that case): # urpmi kdebase-kdm; urpme mdkkdm; echo kde /etc/sysconfig/desktop And I'll be right there with you doing the same. Should we write a bot, or make shifts ;-). Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+VOwYrJK6UGDSBKcRAr9ZAJ4snkhM6tpbHWWW5SxpUTIoSkL2zwCeOEvO iDfWgbQL11z03aVj9/52wgo= =8bVn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1179] [kdebase] Mandrake's new kdm is welcomedwith extreme displeasure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 et wrote: On Thursday 20 February 2003 11:50 am, Greg Meyer wrote: maybe if there was some clue as to what the CLI command was, as it is it sets a menu item in the Kmenu and clicking on it tells you to login as root and restart to configure the program. I think there is more than one program like this. Well, file a bug report with whoever sells you this software, and ask them to have it run via kdesu or something like that. They should not expect the average user to run as root all the time, just as Windows software companies have to learn that it is not acceptable to require write permissions all over the filesystem to use an application ... Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+VTSxrJK6UGDSBKcRAuUJAJ9qoeXly0YiUU6BEVsKOGdhBpRG9wCeKZ58 bC7+83S6arRvVUCRC4fnClw= =ZhZf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1179] [kdebase] Mandrake's new kdm is welcomedwith extreme displeasure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 et wrote: On Thursday 20 February 2003 03:04 pm, Buchan Milne wrote: Gee, thanks for the way to correct what has not been a problem until MDKKDM created it. Never seen a problem such as this, even with win4iln. NOT However, perhaps, since I am just a troll, and you are a well respected developer, it would care more weight if you were to write to the fine folks who develope Crossover and tell them. but since YOU suggest telling the fine folks that sold me the software I am not a customer, I have not paid money for Crossover. Money usually speaks better than words, and if for example there is not Mandrake kernel for win4lin (which I have paid for), you can be sure I will write to NeTraverse. , and since I bought it as part of a MandrakeSoft produced set of PowerPack disks, I figured the best way to tell the folks I might buy the next PowerPack from befor they take someone elses advice and sell me something I cna not use AFAIK you only get an evaluation copy of Crossover on the Powerpack, but see below ... gee I was sure this was the place to tell whoever sells you this software, and ask them to have it run via kdesu or something like that. In fact, that was what I was doing. If it is a Mandrake package, mail the packager listed in the changelog (it would be nice to have commercial RPMS also available in Bugzilla). But I still do not see how this is an mdkkdm bug. sarcasmWhat about msec, which would also prevent you from logging in as root? Maybe you should file a bug there too??/sarcasm. Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+VUobrJK6UGDSBKcRAp0QAJ9uj2B4MGbNyQvdEZxhhplfEjCIwgCfaknK XuCH8qeO1KKvn3LAhe5cDR4= =8VqC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1179] [kdebase] Mandrake's new kdm is welcomedwith extreme displeasure
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, et wrote: replies in line On Thursday 20 February 2003 04:35 pm, Buchan Milne wrote. Never seen a problem such as this, even with win4iln. well then I believe it is also the same the first time you start X-CD-Roast from the menu, (Kmenu. Application, Archiving, CD Burning, x-cd-roast) and it gives no clue as to any other way to start xcdroast other than an error box with an OK button that says No root configuration or not readable! The superuser must start and configure X-CD-Roast first, before other users can use it. Ahhh, thanks for reminding me why I don't use X-CDRoast ;-). I contend the in the past, a newbie could (and would) log out, login as root Ok, so someone needs to add a menu option for running X-CD-Roast setup via kdesu (or consolehelper or whatever). I am not a customer, I have not paid money for Crossover. Money usually speaks better than words, and if for example there is not Mandrake kernel for win4lin (which I have paid for), you can be sure I will write to NeTraverse. , and since I bought it as part of a AFAIK you only get an evaluation copy of Crossover on the Powerpack, but see below ... yep that is correct, so the only folks that _sold_ me any software was the folks I gave money to for the powerpack. But they probably did not sell you Crossover ... they sold you StarOffice, and happened to bundle an eval (slight difference). If it is a Mandrake package, mail the packager listed in the changelog (it would be nice to have commercial RPMS also available in Bugzilla). But I still do not see how this is an mdkkdm bug. well the change in mdkkdm (not having a text box for user name) is what made these other programs have a problem. In relatioon to a a new users eyes, they were not broken until mdkkdm fixed them. Well, I would prefer better options than X-CD-Roast. k3b seems mostly good enough, and it has been patched not to do stupid things on first start. sarcasmWhat about msec, which would also prevent you from logging in as root? Maybe you should file a bug there too??/sarcasm. Msec did do what we are talking about (previously), it just depended on the level of security chosen. as I understand it (and please correct me if I am mistaken) currently there is no way to type in a user name (root) if it is not one of the displayed names (and a screenshot might be a good thing for trolls like myself to get a clearer picture) perhaps this to (the current complaint as I understand it) is a function of the level of msec security chosen? Yes, I think in level 4 you will not get a user list. We have allow_user_list(0) in our /etc/security/msec/levels.local (IIRC), and so we never see a user list, just a user/passwd dialog, even with mdkkdm. Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
