Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 04:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Coun'ld it be possible to create symbolic links in the user's home > > pointing at > > removable media and harddrives, such as (dvd => /mnt/cdrom1, burner => > > /mnt/cdrom2) easier to understand for beginner. DOS partitions could also > > be mounted with their volume name. > > This could be a very very very GOOD thing > Why this was not done before ???!!! I agree - this would be a nice thing V.
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
> Coun'ld it be possible to create symbolic links in the user's home pointing > at > removable media and harddrives, such as (dvd => /mnt/cdrom1, burner => > /mnt/cdrom2) easier to understand for beginner. DOS partitions could also be > mounted with their volume name. This could be a very very very GOOD thing Why this was not done before ???!!!
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
Selon Larry Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Saturday 15 November 2003 11:03 am, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > > As a user that help newbies on forum and as i'm facing always the same > > problem ( where are my windows drives ? can i access my windows drives > > under linux ? ), I think that diskdrake when having detect a windows > > partitions should put a link/icon on the desktop in order to give > > the ability for the users to directly see that they can have access to > > theses drives. > > > > I really like to see all mounted partitions should be under one directory and > > then create that direcotry/link on the desktop instead of each mounted > partition with the hard drive icon on the desktop. This could be very > un-organized desktop and looks very ugly if one has more than 1 hard drive, > which is not so un-common nowadays. > > For example, create a link with description such as "Access other > partitions", > then when users click on it, it will launch either nautilus or kfm or > whatever_your_favorite_file_manager_here . > > > > On top of that windows partitions should be writable ( FAT32 only of > > course ) by normal users ( so umask=0 should be set by default for > > security level < high ). So by default diskdrake set umask=0 for windows > > FAT32 partitions during install and when the user select a security > > level higher than standard, then msec remove umask=0. > > > > I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such as, > users > could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition? > > -Larry > > Coun'ld it be possible to create symbolic links in the user's home pointing at removable media and harddrives, such as (dvd => /mnt/cdrom1, burner => /mnt/cdrom2) easier to understand for beginner. DOS partitions could also be mounted with their volume name.
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
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FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
> Le lun 17/11/2003 à 13:52, Buchan Milne a écrit :
>
>>FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
>
>>>Under KDE you can select the device icons you want to show ( see
>>>Look&feel -> Comportment -> device icons ). At this time we show
>>>CDROm/NFS/SMB/Floppy/Zip icons. We should add FAT32/NTFS drives.
>>
>>What is special about FAT32/NTFS? What if I want to see other
>>filesystems (where is my Redhat drive? Where is my SuSE drive etc etc???).
>>
>>That is what "Hard Disk" is for.
>
>
> Seeing others linux partitions is what i can call : advanced stuff -> so
> this should not be enable by default ( and hard disk will show them ).
So, we should make it easier to use Windows, and less easy to use Linux?
> A normal user ( desktop environment ) should not see others linux
> partitions except his home directory.
So, if they have a backup partition or something (easy enough to do with
diskdrake), they shouldn't be able to access it as easily as a Windows
partition?
> So see / and /home on his desktop
> is useless for him. Most of the times this kind of users put files in
> their home directory and open/save some files in their windows
> partitions in order to share them with windows. So they need to know
> directly and easily where is their home directory ( the home icon ), and
> where is/are their windows partition(s).
>
>
> Showing FAT32/NTFS drives is what I called basic stuff for newbies. For
> example, the user need to install the firmware for his modem to make the
> connection work under linux, so he dl the firmware under windows and
> then his first question is : Can i have an access to my windows drives ?
> If yes, where can i access them ?
> At least 5 times a week on a forum where you have many newbies we have
> this kind of question. Mandrake control center ? they don't know or
> don't know where to go ( MountPoint is chinese for them )
But they shouldn't need to even see diskdrake now (I assume that's what
you mean), they can either look in /mnt/windows, or /mnt/win_{c,d} etc,
or browse in devices (but it would be better if you didn't have to know
all 6 buttons in Konqueror to be able to browse devices).
>>>This
>>>way you can easily disable the icons. Gnome have this feature but only
>>>for removable devices ( CDROM/Floppy )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>On top of that windows partitions should be writable ( FAT32 only of
>course ) by normal users ( so umask=0 should be set by default for
>security level < high ). So by default diskdrake set umask=0 for
windows
>FAT32 partitions during install and when the user select a security
>level higher than standard, then msec remove umask=0.
>>
>>This is already the case AFAIK (last time I looked at the code). What
>>security level did you install with?
>
>
> since which version ? I don't know for me as I don't install 9.2 on HD
> where there was some FAT32 partitions, but on forum I have many times
> users saying that they can't write on their windows partitions ( 9.1,
> maybe 9.2 but will have to check ) at least if they was able to find
> where was their windows partitions.
Look in CVS, file libDrakX/fs.pm (line 468 in cooker)
if (isFat($part) || member('vfat', split(':', $part->{type})) ||
isThisFs('auto', $part)) {
put_in_hash($options, {
user => 1, noexec => 0,
}) if $opts{is_removable};
put_in_hash($options, {
'umask=0' => $opts{security} < 3,
'iocharset=' => $opts{iocharset}, 'codepage=' => $opts{codepage},
});
}
So, users who want this by default should install in the less secure
option. Of course, a better description should be given for umask=0 in
the diskdrake options.
>
>
I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such
>>
>>as, users
>>
could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition?
>>>
>>>
>>>So ? under windows they can do it too. On top of that now most of the
>>>time under kde/gnome when you delete a file, by default the file is put
>>>in the trash, unless you specify directly delete and you have a
>>>confirmation box. So the risk is minimal.
>>
>>But, OS's that default to fat32 are usually not multi-user, so it does
>>increase the risk IMHO.
>
>
> I'm talking for home/desktop usage. in multiuser/workstation usage, the
> sysadmin have the responsibility to enable/disable this feature. Now for
> desktop/home usage when several people have access to the computer the
> problem is Linux/unix rights limitations ( need ACL and easy way to
> managed ACL ) or need away to specify that this group and only this
> group of users can access theses drives.
The problem is that as soon as the user has a daemon running (ftp,
apache), they *are* multi-user. Whether it is real users or not is
irrelevant.
>>Anyway, I don't think this problem should be solved in diskdrake or
>>anything else. The problem is (I
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
Le lun 17/11/2003 à 13:52, Buchan Milne a écrit : > FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > > But in fact we should use the supermount stuff and extend it. > > No, supermount is only necessary for removable media (USB devices are a > grey area ...). bad english from me, i was talking about the ability to display icons for CDROM/HD/zip/... > > Under KDE you can select the device icons you want to show ( see > > Look&feel -> Comportment -> device icons ). At this time we show > > CDROm/NFS/SMB/Floppy/Zip icons. We should add FAT32/NTFS drives. > > What is special about FAT32/NTFS? What if I want to see other > filesystems (where is my Redhat drive? Where is my SuSE drive etc etc???). > > That is what "Hard Disk" is for. Seeing others linux partitions is what i can call : advanced stuff -> so this should not be enable by default ( and hard disk will show them ). A normal user ( desktop environment ) should not see others linux partitions except his home directory. So see / and /home on his desktop is useless for him. Most of the times this kind of users put files in their home directory and open/save some files in their windows partitions in order to share them with windows. So they need to know directly and easily where is their home directory ( the home icon ), and where is/are their windows partition(s). Showing FAT32/NTFS drives is what I called basic stuff for newbies. For example, the user need to install the firmware for his modem to make the connection work under linux, so he dl the firmware under windows and then his first question is : Can i have an access to my windows drives ? If yes, where can i access them ? At least 5 times a week on a forum where you have many newbies we have this kind of question. Mandrake control center ? they don't know or don't know where to go ( MountPoint is chinese for them ) > > This > > way you can easily disable the icons. Gnome have this feature but only > > for removable devices ( CDROM/Floppy ) > > > > > >>>On top of that windows partitions should be writable ( FAT32 only of > >>>course ) by normal users ( so umask=0 should be set by default for > >>>security level < high ). So by default diskdrake set umask=0 for windows > >>>FAT32 partitions during install and when the user select a security > >>>level higher than standard, then msec remove umask=0. > > This is already the case AFAIK (last time I looked at the code). What > security level did you install with? since which version ? I don't know for me as I don't install 9.2 on HD where there was some FAT32 partitions, but on forum I have many times users saying that they can't write on their windows partitions ( 9.1, maybe 9.2 but will have to check ) at least if they was able to find where was their windows partitions. > >>I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such > as, users > >>could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition? > > > > > > So ? under windows they can do it too. On top of that now most of the > > time under kde/gnome when you delete a file, by default the file is put > > in the trash, unless you specify directly delete and you have a > > confirmation box. So the risk is minimal. > > But, OS's that default to fat32 are usually not multi-user, so it does > increase the risk IMHO. I'm talking for home/desktop usage. in multiuser/workstation usage, the sysadmin have the responsibility to enable/disable this feature. Now for desktop/home usage when several people have access to the computer the problem is Linux/unix rights limitations ( need ACL and easy way to managed ACL ) or need away to specify that this group and only this group of users can access theses drives. > Anyway, I don't think this problem should be solved in diskdrake or > anything else. The problem is (IMHO) due to shortcomings of the KDE > navigation tree (and the fact that GNOME doesn't really have one at all > yet). I have posted on this before. IMHO, the different buttons on the > splitter bar in Konqueror are the problem, they should be removed, all > entries reorganized and merged into one tree view. > > Why do I access NFS/Fish/smb files in Services->LAN Browser, but http in > Network, and FTP in both? Why do I access the CD-ROM in Services->Audio > CD Browser and in "Root Directory" and "Services->Devices"? > > Home Media (devices:/ + audiocd:/ + supermount'ed devices) > This Computer > - -Entire filesystem (/) - -Windows Drives ( FAT32/NTFS drives ) - -printers > Network > - -SMB/Windows (smb:/) > - -Unix (fish/nfs hosts from lisa or similar) > - -Web (ftp/http hosts from lisa or similar?) > - -Directory (ldap:/ ;-)) - -Bookmarks - -History ( Web history, for local history use panel "recent documents" entry ) I'd rather add under Windows drives ( on MAC it could be mac filesystem ). I would have moved Media directly under Home. This way the user have a distinction : - what i access the most and can go whenever I want -> Home and Media - stuff i rarely need to access direc
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > Le dim 16/11/2003 à 23:11, Larry Nguyen a écrit : > >>On Saturday 15 November 2003 11:03 am, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: >> >>>As a user that help newbies on forum and as i'm facing always the same >>>problem ( where are my windows drives ? can i access my windows drives >>>under linux ? ), I think that diskdrake when having detect a windows >>>partitions should put a link/icon on the desktop in order to give >>>the ability for the users to directly see that they can have access to >>>theses drives. >>> >> >>I really like to see all mounted partitions should be under one directory and >>then create that direcotry/link on the desktop instead of each mounted >>partition with the hard drive icon on the desktop. This could be very >>un-organized desktop and looks very ugly if one has more than 1 hard drive, >>which is not so un-common nowadays. >> >>For example, create a link with description such as "Access other partitions", >>then when users click on it, it will launch either nautilus or kfm or >>whatever_your_favorite_file_manager_here . You mean, under KDE, a shortcut to devices:/ ? (or use the services sidebar in KDE and click "Devices". > > > 1°/ mdk used to do this for removable devices ( CDROM, floppy ) but it > ends up it was very ugly and unuserfriendly > 2°/ You know I used to see windows desktop with more than 15 icons. > That's ugly, but people need to see directly some things or else ... One of my friends had his whole desktop covered in icons! > > 3°/ Here is the problem -> launching the right filemanager. ??? > But in fact we should use the supermount stuff and extend it. No, supermount is only necessary for removable media (USB devices are a grey area ...). > Under KDE you can select the device icons you want to show ( see > Look&feel -> Comportment -> device icons ). At this time we show > CDROm/NFS/SMB/Floppy/Zip icons. We should add FAT32/NTFS drives. What is special about FAT32/NTFS? What if I want to see other filesystems (where is my Redhat drive? Where is my SuSE drive etc etc???). That is what "Hard Disk" is for. > This > way you can easily disable the icons. Gnome have this feature but only > for removable devices ( CDROM/Floppy ) > > >>>On top of that windows partitions should be writable ( FAT32 only of >>>course ) by normal users ( so umask=0 should be set by default for >>>security level < high ). So by default diskdrake set umask=0 for windows >>>FAT32 partitions during install and when the user select a security >>>level higher than standard, then msec remove umask=0. This is already the case AFAIK (last time I looked at the code). What security level did you install with? >>I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such as, users >>could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition? > > > So ? under windows they can do it too. On top of that now most of the > time under kde/gnome when you delete a file, by default the file is put > in the trash, unless you specify directly delete and you have a > confirmation box. So the risk is minimal. But, OS's that default to fat32 are usually not multi-user, so it does increase the risk IMHO. Anyway, I don't think this problem should be solved in diskdrake or anything else. The problem is (IMHO) due to shortcomings of the KDE navigation tree (and the fact that GNOME doesn't really have one at all yet). I have posted on this before. IMHO, the different buttons on the splitter bar in Konqueror are the problem, they should be removed, all entries reorganized and merged into one tree view. Why do I access NFS/Fish/smb files in Services->LAN Browser, but http in Network, and FTP in both? Why do I access the CD-ROM in Services->Audio CD Browser and in "Root Directory" and "Services->Devices"? Home This Computer - -Entire filesystem (/) - -Media (devices:/ + audiocd:/ + supermount'ed devices) Network - -SMB/Windows (smb:/) - -Unix (fish/nfs hosts from lisa or similar) - -Web (ftp/http hosts from lisa or similar?) - -Directory (ldap:/ ;-)) And we still need to find place for bookmars, history and printers. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uNKkrJK6UGDSBKcRAmIEAKCy2Otddc84jjxQTRqzsefcEOj3KgCeOKfJ LR427kDBu3oLT5hjGLg1ARQ= =copb -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
Le dim 16/11/2003 à 23:11, Larry Nguyen a écrit : > On Saturday 15 November 2003 11:03 am, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > > As a user that help newbies on forum and as i'm facing always the same > > problem ( where are my windows drives ? can i access my windows drives > > under linux ? ), I think that diskdrake when having detect a windows > > partitions should put a link/icon on the desktop in order to give > > the ability for the users to directly see that they can have access to > > theses drives. > > > > I really like to see all mounted partitions should be under one directory and > then create that direcotry/link on the desktop instead of each mounted > partition with the hard drive icon on the desktop. This could be very > un-organized desktop and looks very ugly if one has more than 1 hard drive, > which is not so un-common nowadays. > > For example, create a link with description such as "Access other partitions", > then when users click on it, it will launch either nautilus or kfm or > whatever_your_favorite_file_manager_here . 1°/ mdk used to do this for removable devices ( CDROM, floppy ) but it ends up it was very ugly and unuserfriendly 2°/ You know I used to see windows desktop with more than 15 icons. That's ugly, but people need to see directly some things or else ... 3°/ Here is the problem -> launching the right filemanager. But in fact we should use the supermount stuff and extend it. Under KDE you can select the device icons you want to show ( see Look&feel -> Comportment -> device icons ). At this time we show CDROm/NFS/SMB/Floppy/Zip icons. We should add FAT32/NTFS drives. This way you can easily disable the icons. Gnome have this feature but only for removable devices ( CDROM/Floppy ) > > On top of that windows partitions should be writable ( FAT32 only of > > course ) by normal users ( so umask=0 should be set by default for > > security level < high ). So by default diskdrake set umask=0 for windows > > FAT32 partitions during install and when the user select a security > > level higher than standard, then msec remove umask=0. > > > > I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such as, users > could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition? So ? under windows they can do it too. On top of that now most of the time under kde/gnome when you delete a file, by default the file is put in the trash, unless you specify directly delete and you have a confirmation box. So the risk is minimal. --- Se puede morir por nada, pero ne se puede morir por nadie. MR
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such as, users could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition? No greater than the risk native to Windows can i patch this idea a bit?? run the links to a folder on the desktop (bonus points if you can create a "toolbar" on the desktop) and be a little more obvious with the icons like have a "jail door" or ghost out on nonmounted drives
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
On Saturday 15 November 2003 11:03 am, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > As a user that help newbies on forum and as i'm facing always the same > problem ( where are my windows drives ? can i access my windows drives > under linux ? ), I think that diskdrake when having detect a windows > partitions should put a link/icon on the desktop in order to give > the ability for the users to directly see that they can have access to > theses drives. > I really like to see all mounted partitions should be under one directory and then create that direcotry/link on the desktop instead of each mounted partition with the hard drive icon on the desktop. This could be very un-organized desktop and looks very ugly if one has more than 1 hard drive, which is not so un-common nowadays. For example, create a link with description such as "Access other partitions", then when users click on it, it will launch either nautilus or kfm or whatever_your_favorite_file_manager_here . > On top of that windows partitions should be writable ( FAT32 only of > course ) by normal users ( so umask=0 should be set by default for > security level < high ). So by default diskdrake set umask=0 for windows > FAT32 partitions during install and when the user select a security > level higher than standard, then msec remove umask=0. > I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such as, users could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition? -Larry
