Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
Your argument is quite invalid while a "linux init=/bin/sh" at boot will effectively bypass all secuirity. And anyway, if you are root, you are root. And running explore2fs may be seen as being root. Just make sure to put with it a note in the same spirit as the Gmc-one that pops upp when you run Gmc as root... However, I don't have an answer to the question "where to stop"...
Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Stefan Siegel wrote: > I am absolutely _AGAINST_ the idea shipping an ext2fs browser with "our" > distro!!! You have a security concept in UNIX/Linux that not everybody has > the right/possibility to see and modify files. > > NOONE has an interrested in introducing workarounds, except some stupid > win$uck users or some viruses. Why should we deliver those groups (which I > considder of same danger-level) the tools needet for their destructive > tasks ... For the same reason Mandrake supports dual boot systems. Some people are not that concerned about security and are interested in doing things from Windows. If Mandrake bothers to support dual boot systems at all, then they've already committed to allowing users to create insecure systems. Thus, it's no big deal to add a Windows ext2fs browser. This does not in fact create any new security holes (this big gaping hole is already there if you've created a dual boot system), although I admit it makes the existing hole easier to use. In a sense, that's a good thing. I suspect a lot of people don't realize what a huge security gaffe installing Windows on your computer as well as Linux is -- this would make it more obvious. You yourself made the mistake of characterizing this as "introducing a workaround", when in fact no workaround is being introduced, an existing one is simply being made easier to use. It should also be noted that unless you've secured your system so it CAN'T be booted from floppy or CD-ROM (or anything else), it's even easier to get around file access rights. Insert "tomsrtbt" (or whatever your favorite rescue distro is) and have at it. No computer is really secure from people who have physical access to the machine.
Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
Hoyt wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Pablo Saratxaga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake > > Kaixo! > > On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 01:14:45AM -0400, Hoyt wrote: > > >> Explore2fs by J. Newbigin should be on there. There are freeware ssh > >> programs, but no free X servers for MS Windows. > > >There is a free X server (but it is one of the most difficult to setup and use > >on Windows). > > >Another possibility would be to include win32 and java clients of VNC; > >that will also work both ways. > > Good idea. What is the free X server? If its development is open, it can always be >improved upon. There is a free X server "MI/X" it's developed by a commercial project and only supports X11R5 it has big problems with font and bitmap handling. An alternative will be the XFree86 port to win32 by Cygnus solutions (now RedHat IIRC) which is not completed yet. Jan
Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:46:56AM -0400, Hoyt wrote: > Graham Percival schrieb: > >I am absolutely _AGAINST_ the idea shipping an ext2fs browser with "our" > >distro!!! You have a security concept in UNIX/Linux that not everybody has > >the right/possibility to see and modify files. > > >NOONE has an interrested in introducing workarounds, except some stupid > >win$uck users or some viruses. Why should we deliver those groups (which I > >considder of same danger-level) the tools needet for their destructive > >tasks > > You certainly make eloquent points, but GNU/Linux is all about choice, > and Mandrake is all about producing a first rate distro and growing its > market share. I don't see the need of a explore2fs, if you want to rescue your system you only need the install CD. > Hoyt > -- Thomas Poindessous EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.epita.fr/~epx
Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
- Original Message - From: "Pablo Saratxaga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake Kaixo! On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 01:14:45AM -0400, Hoyt wrote: >> Explore2fs by J. Newbigin should be on there. There are freeware ssh >> programs, but no free X servers for MS Windows. >There is a free X server (but it is one of the most difficult to setup and use >on Windows). >Another possibility would be to include win32 and java clients of VNC; >that will also work both ways. Good idea. What is the free X server? If its development is open, it can always be improved upon. Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
- Original Message - From: "Stefan Siegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:28 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake Graham Percival schrieb: >I am absolutely _AGAINST_ the idea shipping an ext2fs browser with "our" >distro!!! You have a security concept in UNIX/Linux that not everybody has >the right/possibility to see and modify files. >NOONE has an interrested in introducing workarounds, except some stupid >win$uck users or some viruses. Why should we deliver those groups (which I >considder of same danger-level) the tools needet for their destructive >tasks You certainly make eloquent points, but GNU/Linux is all about choice, and Mandrake is all about producing a first rate distro and growing its market share. Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
- Original Message - From: "Guillaume Cottenceau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake > "Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > True, but in a "MS Windows world", anything that makes migration easier should be >embraced. > > > > Explore2fs by J. Newbigin should be on there. > > Yes, this one is quite good, however is a little bit bugged [for example > you have to "right-click/export" the files to have a good version, if you > drag n drop the files have garbage at the end]. > I'm certain John would welcome the support/encouragement of LM to continue improving the program. You already distribute his Win version of rawrite ( a little bug in it also - if you do not re-select drive A even when it is shown as the default, it will sometimes fail to write until A is re-selected). Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
Kaixo! On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 01:14:45AM -0400, Hoyt wrote: > Explore2fs by J. Newbigin should be on there. There are freeware ssh > programs, but no free X servers for MS Windows. There is a free X server (but it is one of the most difficult to setup and use on Windows). Another possibility would be to include win32 and java clients of VNC; that will also work both ways. > > Hoyt -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://www.srtxg.easynet.be/PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975
Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - Original Message - > From: "Graham Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:29 PM > Subject: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake > > > > > > OTOH Mandrake is, of course, a *Linux* distro. And if you start sticking some > > Windows programs in Linux distros, where do you stop? An ssh client, X server > > (if that exists for Windows), Mozilla...? > > > > True, but in a "MS Windows world", anything that makes migration easier should be >embraced. > > Explore2fs by J. Newbigin should be on there. Yes, this one is quite good, however is a little bit bugged [for example you have to "right-click/export" the files to have a good version, if you drag n drop the files have garbage at the end]. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
Graham Percival schrieb:
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> (I'm of two minds of this, but I thought it was worth bringing the subject up)
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> What about the possibility of having a few windows programs on the Mandrake
> CDs apart from the ones directly related to installation (rawrite and the
> like)? The two that come to mind immediately are the Windows client and server
> of VNC and an ext2 filesystem browser.
I am absolutely _AGAINST_ the idea shipping an ext2fs browser with "our"
distro!!! You have a security concept in UNIX/Linux that not everybody has
the right/possibility to see and modify files.
NOONE has an interrested in introducing workarounds, except some stupid
win$uck users or some viruses. Why should we deliver those groups (which I
considder of same danger-level) the tools needet for their destructive
tasks ...
Are you willing to build a tskforce answering questions like:
"I killed my `/boot' (or `/etc') folder under Win$suck, how can I bring
up my Linux again ..."
If s. o. is really interrested in browsing ext2fs under win$uck, let him
use his Explorer(tm) an search the net to find the tool he needs to delete
his OS ...
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Re: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake
- Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:29 PM Subject: [Cooker] [discuss] Windows binaries in Mandrake > > OTOH Mandrake is, of course, a *Linux* distro. And if you start sticking some > Windows programs in Linux distros, where do you stop? An ssh client, X server > (if that exists for Windows), Mozilla...? > True, but in a "MS Windows world", anything that makes migration easier should be embraced. Explore2fs by J. Newbigin should be on there. There are freeware ssh programs, but no free X servers for MS Windows. Hoyt
