Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
Yes, but neither will run a custom Java app that encrypts my data nicely for my banking, credit card details etc. I would like them to work, but they don't. If anyone else uses the NatWest online service with one of these browsers I'd love to hear from you. Alex On Tuesday 27 February 2001 01:10, you wrote: On Monday 26 February 2001 17:11, you wrote: Alex Hulse wrote: Yes, very much, as my online banking requires that I use Netscape 4 or IE 4 onwards. Mozilla/Konqueror won't work and you don't think I'm mad enough to install NS6 do you? :) Maybe make it a little less prominent, but still include it please. AFAIK, you can have konquerer identify itself as either Netscape or IE. In theory. In practise, I've already reported a bug in that the user agent is not "sticking" - ie, you set it and it forgets it. Also, some sites want more than just the user agent. For example, espn.go.com will ignore the user agent and uses the browser identity, and to helll with the standards. So, you'll never have Konqueror work properly with this site, no matter how hard you try unless you modify the Konqueror source. That said, Opera does lie and identify itself as IE or Netscape and it does display espn properly. although I haven't been able to make it happy with fonts yet.
Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Alex Hulse wrote: That said, Opera does lie and identify itself as IE or Netscape and it does display espn properly. although I haven't been able to make it happy with fonts yet. Yes, but neither will run a custom Java app that encrypts my data nicely for my banking, credit card details etc. I would like them to work, but they don't. If anyone else uses the NatWest online service with one of these browsers I'd love to hear from you. What's wrong with SSL for the encryption? You could always switch to Barclays - no Java needed! Michael
Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
Yes, very much, as my online banking requires that I use Netscape 4 or IE 4 onwards. Mozilla/Konqueror won't work and you don't think I'm mad enough to install NS6 do you? :) Maybe make it a little less prominent, but still include it please. Alex On Sunday 25 February 2001 21:02, you wrote: Redhat made netscape 4 obsolete actually. But.. it's still too popular, and many ppl will complain why it disappeared from Mandrake if there were no prior announcement.. Abel Cheung On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Ed Wilts wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2001 13:40, Ron Stodden wrote: Ed Wilts wrote: I find it amazing that Mandrake will ship Netscape, binary only, when there is a good GPL alternative (Konqueror) but will not ship a freely distributable binary-only driver for which there is no alternative short of replacing the hardware. Konqueror is not a replacement for Netscape. Konqueror does not do email, newsgroups, or let you compose web pages. True, but add Kmail, Quanta (or Bluefish or a few others) and Knode or Pan and you do have true open source equivalents for the rest. In today's releases, Netscape should no longer be considered mandatory.
Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
Alex Hulse wrote: Yes, very much, as my online banking requires that I use Netscape 4 or IE 4 onwards. Mozilla/Konqueror won't work and you don't think I'm mad enough to install NS6 do you? :) Maybe make it a little less prominent, but still include it please. AFAIK, you can have konquerer identify itself as either Netscape or IE. John
Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
On Monday 26 February 2001 17:11, you wrote: Alex Hulse wrote: Yes, very much, as my online banking requires that I use Netscape 4 or IE 4 onwards. Mozilla/Konqueror won't work and you don't think I'm mad enough to install NS6 do you? :) Maybe make it a little less prominent, but still include it please. AFAIK, you can have konquerer identify itself as either Netscape or IE. In theory. In practise, I've already reported a bug in that the user agent is not "sticking" - ie, you set it and it forgets it. Also, some sites want more than just the user agent. For example, espn.go.com will ignore the user agent and uses the browser identity, and to helll with the standards. So, you'll never have Konqueror work properly with this site, no matter how hard you try unless you modify the Konqueror source. That said, Opera does lie and identify itself as IE or Netscape and it does display espn properly. although I haven't been able to make it happy with fonts yet. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
On Sunday 25 February 2001 07:42, Zeljko Vukman wrote: I am wondering if Mandrake 8.0 will include driver for Matrox Millenium 450 dual head graphic card? Or is it XFree problem? Driver for Linux can be downloaded from Matrox site. It's not an XFree problem. Matrox explicitely gives permission to distributors like Mandrake to ship the driver. However, Mandrake has a policy to not ship binary drivers. I raised this issue a few months back when I got my new system with the G450 card and the response was less than satisfactory... The bottom line is that people with these cards get screwed. Users like you and me that are experienced (or we shouldn't be playing with Cooker in the first place) are ok since we know to go get the driver. Those that aren't that savvy should not use Mandrake since they'll basically have an unusable system with the stock driver and Mandrake refuses to ship a working driver. To make matters worse, if you do install the driver yourself and then do an upgrade to XFree, your driver will be overwritten and the hang is so severe that you can do nothing but power off - you can't switch to an alternate console of use any of the wonderful contorted keystrokes to exit X. You better not be in run level 5 in inittab or you'll be really, really screwed unless you're an expert and able to go through a recovery. I find it amazing that Mandrake will ship Netscape, binary only, when there is a good GPL alternative (Konqueror) but will not ship a freely distributable binary-only driver for which there is no alternative short of replacing the hardware. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:02:09 -0600, Ed Wilts said To make matters worse, if you do install the driver yourself and then do an upgrade to XFree, your driver will be overwritten and the hang is so severe that you can do nothing but power off - you can't switch to an alternate console of use any of the wonderful contorted keystrokes to exit X. You better not be in run level 5 in inittab or you'll be really, really screwed unless you're an expert and able to go through a recovery. Little know fact: in a bind, when lilo asks you which image to boot, you can append the run level. For example: linux 3 would boot your lilo tag in run level three. I find it amazing that Mandrake will ship Netscape, binary only, when there is a good GPL alternative (Konqueror) but will not ship a freely distributable binary-only driver for which there is no alternative short of replacing the hardware. My opinion: mozilla works great.. better than netscape. I'd hope mozilla is used in the next release instead, as I end up installing it anyway. btw, I'm waiting for the next mandrake beta as a royally screwed up my system trying to upgrade rpm to be able to use the XFree 4.0.2 rpm's that are all rpm v4. This was all in trying to make my g450 work. After that, I read somewhere that I had to use the #2 output in order to use X with it. out -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
Ed Wilts wrote: I find it amazing that Mandrake will ship Netscape, binary only, when there is a good GPL alternative (Konqueror) but will not ship a freely distributable binary-only driver for which there is no alternative short of replacing the hardware. Konqueror is not a replacement for Netscape. Konqueror does not do email, newsgroups, or let you compose web pages. -- Regards, Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
On Sunday 25 February 2001 13:40, Ron Stodden wrote: Ed Wilts wrote: I find it amazing that Mandrake will ship Netscape, binary only, when there is a good GPL alternative (Konqueror) but will not ship a freely distributable binary-only driver for which there is no alternative short of replacing the hardware. Konqueror is not a replacement for Netscape. Konqueror does not do email, newsgroups, or let you compose web pages. True, but add Kmail, Quanta (or Bluefish or a few others) and Knode or Pan and you do have true open source equivalents for the rest. In today's releases, Netscape should no longer be considered mandatory. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Driver for Matrox 450 dual head
Redhat made netscape 4 obsolete actually. But.. it's still too popular, and many ppl will complain why it disappeared from Mandrake if there were no prior announcement.. Abel Cheung On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Ed Wilts wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2001 13:40, Ron Stodden wrote: Ed Wilts wrote: I find it amazing that Mandrake will ship Netscape, binary only, when there is a good GPL alternative (Konqueror) but will not ship a freely distributable binary-only driver for which there is no alternative short of replacing the hardware. Konqueror is not a replacement for Netscape. Konqueror does not do email, newsgroups, or let you compose web pages. True, but add Kmail, Quanta (or Bluefish or a few others) and Knode or Pan and you do have true open source equivalents for the rest. In today's releases, Netscape should no longer be considered mandatory.
