Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
On Friday 17 January 2003 23:08, Buchan Milne wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > On Friday 17 January 2003 17:10, Marcel Pol wrote: > > > But it limits you to X Window. So if you run a Mac, you need X Window > > > on there. The same with Windows. Also the server needs at least the X > > > Window libs installed. So you can call it a bit of overhead. > > > > That still leaves VNC as an option.:o) > > But then you still have to transfer the image. OK, this is how it works: > 1)Setup saned on the server (happens to share internet connections as well > etc) > 2)Installed sane-twaing on windows > 3)From paint-shop-pro or Office2k or OpenOffice, choose something like > "Insert->Graphics->Scan->Select Source->SaneTwain, then > Insert->Graphics->Scan->Acquire" (on windows). OpenOffice under linux > works similarly. Gimp on windows also has File->Acquire or simlar. > > This my mom cuold use. VNC, I don't think so. > > Then, I just use xsane under linux (or OpenOffice), and setup the sane net > backend. > > Much simpler, and something people would pay money for (network-able > scanners are expensive ..). > > Buchan I just opted VNC as 'food for thought' not as a real option for your mom (or mine)=:o) I can understand what you're getting at but this "killer App" thing gives me a kind of retro feel. A lot of trouble to create something a lot of people say they need but won't be using anyway because of the inconveniences it brings about. My personal view could be distorted because I use ssh an -X forwarding quite a lot and share as much hardware as I can. This means I've got gimp running on the remote machine (I hardly ever use xsane directly) that has the scanner, add it (the resulting scan/image) to the project I'm working on (which is rsync'ed daily on all the boxes) , print it using cups (usually on the box where I sit) and burn the resulting demo(remotely again) on yet another machine. Luckily the greatest physicall distance is about 20 mtrs as I usually do have to manipulate the position of the originals on the scanner and insert the blank write-able disk. Scanning, printing and cd-burning take their time so that leaves me the opportunity to start/do some thing else (like mailinglists) in the meantime. Essentially I think X forwarding (or vnc, or whatever) is easier to add to xsane than rewrite/create a saned that does the same, only on a limited scale. In other words: A broad(er) perspective of integrated remote services (web based?) is needed here, not just an xsane copy of cups. Good luck, HarM
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
On Friday 17 January 2003 12:01, Buchan Milne wrote: > Speaking of scanners, someone needs to look at making saned (a killer > application, sharing a scanner under windows is impossible, but can be > done under linux with some effort at present) easier to setup. Yeah easy-scanner-sharing for all working scanner would be cool. But that it can't be done under win is not true. I have a Umax Astra 1220S and with the software of this scanner sharing of the scanner in the network is possible. And as I read someone asked why somebody would need that, this question could be applied to printers the same way: for me: -having the scanner for both machines , no matter which one is on -having the scsi-card ib an independent machine since I have only 6 PCI slots -hopefully fax with the server without a monitor on it , just with pressing a button for others: -different scanners, for different purposes => scanning without the need of the physical access to the machine there the scanner is plugged to -workgroups can share their scanner without disturbing each other. As said, the same things that could be applied to printers. -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
On Friday 17 January 2003 17:10, Marcel Pol wrote: > But it limits you to X Window. So if you run a Mac, you need X Window on > there. The same with Windows. Also the server needs at least the X Window > libs installed. So you can call it a bit of overhead. That still leaves VNC as an option.:o) HarM
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
Hi Buchan, > Tim, I know you review a lot, and probably don't have time to follow > cooker, so I will just bring you up to date with some of the issues you > have brought up ... Thanks! Indeed, I haven't had the pleasure of following cooker for about two or three months. I just resubscribed so that I could hopefully report problems as I encounter them in 9.1 betas. > IMHO, there should be similar themes for both desktops where possible, > and both sets of tools should offer to set the other desktops theme to > the corresponding theme. > > Anyway, there has been a lot of discussion of Geramik. It is in contrib, > but has been changed to not take over the GTK theme by default (much to > D Walsers irritation ...). Hmm... maybe they could make a MandrakeClub vote on whether Geramik should be the default GTK theme. :-) If not, another good solution would be that if one chooses KDE in Mandrake FirstStart, that one's gtk settings are set to Geramik (since I presume Mandrake will use Keramik in KDE). Eazel Blue looks really ugly when pared with a light Keramik theme... > I think a few bootsplash themes would be nice. draksplash is cool, but > how can I make a LILO splash screen I would agree the default one > theme should have maybe 5-10 lines of text right at the bottom. Yeah, it would be nice to have some choices. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the return of Aurora as the default boot system, but I doubt that's going to happen so 5-10 lines at the bottom would be best. If there was a nice Mandrake logo on the upper part of the bootsplash (above the 5-10 lines) it would still look very nice... As I hinted at, I've been toying with the idea of implementing this, but I need a nice, big Mandrake logo to do so (preferably an XCF or PSD)... any ideas who I might contact to get one? On a similar note, if anyone here has installed SuSE, you may have noticed SuSE's version of bootsplash has some nifty animation during bootup as well. The SuSE theme is GPL'ed, so it might be good if Mandrake could "borrow" this nice touch. (The animations are in MNG format.) > > 4.) Beings that I'm not a fan of Red Hat (you'll find that in the > > review I do of it next week), I hate to keep using them as an example, > > but oh well. Red Hat 8's installer has a really nice way of selecting > > packages. It has top level groups like MDK, but rather than having a > > little "Individual selection" checkbox, it has "More details" buttons > > next to each major package group. If you click those, you can adjust the > > packages in that group. > > Redhat package selection isn't nearly detailed enough, so they can get > away with this. Mandrake's 'flat' option in the individual selection has > no equivalent AFAIK, and is useful if you know which packages you want, > and don't want to look all over for them. Hmm... maybe the Red Hat style could be used on the group selection page, with the individual package selection page rebadged "Advanced Package Selection" or some such. This would be a big UI improvement, IMO. > > 5.) It would be nice if Mandrake could also mention something about > > ATI's proprietary drivers during the install, just like it use to do for > > Aureal sound card drivers. Better yet, perhaps a document explaining a > > bit about them could come up on the first GUI boot. Of course, I'd > > recommend the same for nVidia too. I don't like proprietary software, but > > still, it'd be nice to give the interested user some tips. > > It could also tell you that the drivers are in the commercial version. > And more commercial drivers (one example is the LTModem which I need for > my laptop) should be included on the commercial CDs. That would be nice, and probably would encourage more people to fork out the dough for the commercial packs. The said document could also have a convenient way (a wizard, maybe?) for people to join MandrakeClub if they want the drivers *fast*. > Same thing occurs with firmware for scanners. Would be nice if the user > were prompted for their driver CD to copy the firmware/fonts etc to > disk, and configure them too. This would really put Mandrake a step above the rest. It wouldn't be that hard to do either. Hey DrakeX developers, are you reading this? :-) > Speaking of scanners, someone needs to look at making saned (a killer > application, sharing a scanner under windows is impossible, but can be > done under linux with some effort at present) easier to setup. That would be nice. > (I am ranger ...). I thought so, but I wasn't sure. :-) Thanks for the packages, btw. > klegacyconfig is in cooker contribs, would be great > to see someone from Mandrakesoft take over maintenance of it. I can't > figure out why diskdrake's dialogs don't come up when it's embedded in > KDECC in cooker, it works on 9.0 ... Hmm... odd. Whatever the case, the simple inclusion of this package would be really great, I think. Especially since most of the
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
Buchan Milne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: > >H.J.Bathoorn wrote: >> On Friday 17 January 2003 11:22, Marcel Pol wrote: > >> But what's the point of having a shared scanner? > most likely scenario: a terminal server with thin clients with the scanner hooked to a thin client. This would allow any person to logon to their account through the scanner/thin client and scan docs or whatever seamlessly through their remote Xsession. With a linux terminal being so cheap, it is not unusual to have such a setup in the home either (mine does). >Same could mostly be said for a shared printer (assuming users only >print a few pages at a time. > >I find it useful, and other Mandrake users would like to do it, but it's >currently a mission to setup. > >> >> You still physically have to put your original on the glass plate and making >> multiple scans of the same original doesn't happen that often. > >But if you are scanning multiple items that are smaller (say 3 or 4 >photos at a time) it is worthwhile. In many non-graphic-houses, users >only need to scan seldomly (once a month maybe), and only one or two >pages. Walking to the scanner 5 times takes less time than finding the >shared scanner and making sure the software is installed. > >> >> In those rare cases a telnet or ssh session would suffice wouldn't it? > >My mom can't use ssh, but she can use sane-twain (well, just hit the >scan button) on Windows. > >Buchan > >-- >|--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| >Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager >Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 >Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za >GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc >1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 > > -- SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg public key ftp://ftp.p-p-i.com/pub/si-mindspring-pubkey.asc The significant problems we face cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them. -Albert Einstein
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
On Friday 17 January 2003 13:46, Buchan Milne wrote: > My mom can't use ssh, but she can use sane-twain (well, just hit the > scan button) on Windows. So if I read correctly all that would be called for is an extra button "network scan" which has the commands (including login, etc.) for a remote X session. HarM
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
I have a share scanner here, and the four desks around the workstation can all reach the single scanner, and we all do'nt even have to get up out of our seats to fax or scan a document. > > But what's the point of having a shared scanner? > > Same could mostly be said for a shared printer (assuming users only > print a few pages at a time. > > I find it useful, and other Mandrake users would like to do it, but it's > currently a mission to setup. > > > You still physically have to put your original on the glass plate and > > making multiple scans of the same original doesn't happen that often. > > But if you are scanning multiple items that are smaller (say 3 or 4 > photos at a time) it is worthwhile. In many non-graphic-houses, users > only need to scan seldomly (once a month maybe), and only one or two > pages. Walking to the scanner 5 times takes less time than finding the > shared scanner and making sure the software is installed. > > > In those rare cases a telnet or ssh session would suffice wouldn't it? > > My mom can't use ssh, but she can use sane-twain (well, just hit the > scan button) on Windows. > > Buchan
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
On Friday 17 January 2003 12:24, Marcel Pol wrote: > No need to run around with that scanner, and making sure you have drivers > installed on every machine. I was referring to a network with a scanner somewhere. Once the image is scanned it is 'de facto' accessible on the network as a file. > And no need to login through ssh, use a commandline tool to scan (how do > you view the preview?), then make it available over a fileserver or through > scp. Of course I meant with -X forwarding. HarM
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
On Friday 17 January 2003 11:22, Marcel Pol wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:01:27 +0200 > > Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Speaking of scanners, someone needs to look at making saned (a killer > > application, sharing a scanner under windows is impossible, but can be > > done under linux with some effort at present) easier to setup. > > > > [...] > > Would that be done with a saned entry in /etc/xinetd/ ? > I wouldn't know how to have saned.conf opened up for host on the local > network, maybe that should still be done manual then. Default it doesn't > allow any hosts. But what's the point of having a shared scanner? You still physically have to put your original on the glass plate and making multiple scans of the same original doesn't happen that often. In those rare cases a telnet or ssh session would suffice wouldn't it? HarM
Re: [Cooker] IMO: How Mandrake 9.1 Can Be The 'Killer App' for Desktop Linux
On Friday 17 January 2003 08:52, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: > Timothy R. Butler wrote: > > C.) DrakeFont is a GREAT, STUPENDIOUS tool, but it seems to choke fairly > >easily without explaination. For example, I have about 250 truetype fonts > >that I copied from my last Linux installation (also MDK 9.0). However, > >DrakeFont would freeze on the first part of processing those fonts if I > > told it to process the directory. Also, it was very counterintutive on > > how to select an entire directory. > > Are you sure DrakeFont froze? > > I thought the same thing when I tried to import fonts from my Windows > partition. I also have a large number of True Type fonts. (360) > > After several tries, and apparent failures, I decided to wait and let it > do it's thing no matter how long it took. I was pleased to find that it > had *not* indeed frozen. It just took a long time to do what it had to > do *without giving sufficient feedback*. The window wouldn't even refresh. > > I have since done it a number of times on new installs with the same > outcome. It worked. It just didn't let me know that it was working. It's not the just the fonts, it's MCC in general that's very unresponsive. Even enabling the "log window" undrneath shows nought. The only way to check is a glance at cpu and/or mem activity=:o( MCC needs a lot more polishing, imho. HarM
