Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Todd Lyons wrote: Ben Reser wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:48:34AM -0800 : sharp and bang, meaning the #! sequence that tells the system where to find the interpreter. Interestingly, sharp only has meaning to anybody who's studied music in some small form. Most of the people I've come across like to call it hash (which irks me) or pound (my personal preference). Sorry, but I think pound is a bad choice, seeing as some keyboards have this funny L-shaped character where you americans put this funny S with a vertical line through it ... that would be a Pound sign. Hash is less ambigous. Which is why I would refer to #! as hash-bang ;-). Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+bvXErJK6UGDSBKcRAkzCAJ9QchDeAQhRI804OibiTnH/9Pm2IwCggFnb cTKFhMVhpDhARTCQP3p/GxY= =DzQK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
Buchan Milne wrote: Todd Lyons wrote: Ben Reser wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:48:34AM -0800 : sharp and bang, meaning the #! sequence that tells the system where to find the interpreter. Interestingly, sharp only has meaning to anybody who's studied music in some small form. Most of the people I've come across like to call it hash (which irks me) or pound (my personal preference). Sorry, but I think pound is a bad choice, seeing as some keyboards have this funny L-shaped character where you americans put this funny S with a vertical line through it ... that would be a Pound sign. Hash is less ambigous. Which is why I would refer to #! as hash-bang ;-). Buchan I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to sling some food for thought (hash in this virtual food fight :)... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/26042.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/26108.html Nomenclature is contextual, anyway. Since US residents don't have the Livre (pound Sterling) as currency, it's perfectly normal for them to say pound for the symbol. Ambiguity is in the eye of the beholder; I'm sure you'd get a blank stare the first time you talked to a non-techie in the US about the hash key. Personally, I like some of the variations in the Register articles. Variety is the spice of life.
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
On Tue 11 Mar 2003 18:44, Levi Ramsey posted as excerpted below: I prefer hash, if only because it allows me to say hash bang slash bin slash bash, which has always amused me... when I'm writing a shell script, I always say that part aloud... ;o) I gotta remember that part, to comment on at work. Work isn't really computer related, but I've a rep as /the/ computer guy, there, and I gotta maintain the image... g So everything's rollin' along, and I suddenly say, You know what? When I program a shell script in Linux, it starts with 'hash bang slash bin slash bash'! They'll look at me like I'm crazy, perhaps say What? and when I repeat it just shake their head, and my status as computer geek/guru will be safe for another month. g Repeat a few times, with different co-workers, so it gets around that I'm a bit crazy when it comes to computers, and... g -- Duncan They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duncan wrote on Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 05:35:07AM -0700 : So everything's rollin' along, and I suddenly say, You know what? When I program a shell script in Linux, it starts with 'hash bang slash bin slash bash'! And the date offers will come rolling in too :) Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Easy things should be easy, and hard things should be possible. --Larry Wall Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+b3lzlp7v05cW2woRAsB7AJ9M5dafA0upjA7q5355VKkAGgxpGACguauW x+xprijgUFt3Yp77Y1rOmqU= =FiNQ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
On Wed Mar 12 10:16 -0800, Todd Lyons wrote: Duncan wrote on Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 05:35:07AM -0700 : So everything's rollin' along, and I suddenly say, You know what? When I program a shell script in Linux, it starts with 'hash bang slash bin slash bash'! And the date offers will come rolling in too :) My girlfriend at the time I discovered the joy #!/bin/bash found hash bang slash bin slash bash amusing... ;o) -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The food of love is Mandrake root. GPG Fingerprint: 354C 7A02 77C5 9EE7 8538 4E8D DCD9 B4B0 DC35 67CD Currently playing: Walter Carlos - Suicide Scherzo Linux 2.4.21-0.13mdk 13:50:00 up 1 day, 18:42, 6 users, load average: 0.27, 0.28, 0.18
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
Ainsi parlait Ben Reser : * Sat Mar 08 2003 Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.03-2mdk - fixed shellbang That's sh'bang which is short for sharp bang. # is the sharp ! is bang More info here: http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/a/ascii.html http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/s/shebang.html says Probably derived from shell bang :-) -- If a program actually fits in memory and has enough disk space, it is guaranteed to crash. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°5
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 10:51:54AM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/s/shebang.html says Probably derived from shell bang :-) What can I say... the Jargon file is wrong. :) -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
Ainsi parlait Ben Reser : On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 10:51:54AM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/s/shebang.html says Probably derived from shell bang :-) What can I say... the Jargon file is wrong. :) OK, i can't fight such arguments :-) -- Any cool program always requires more memory than you have. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°2
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:28:48AM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: OK, i can't fight such arguments :-) Incidentally I ran into this in Programming Perl by accident tonight when looking for something else... shebang Irish for the whole McGillicuddy. In Perl culture, a portmanteau of sharp and bang, meaning the #! sequence that tells the system where to find the interpreter. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Reser wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:48:34AM -0800 : sharp and bang, meaning the #! sequence that tells the system where to find the interpreter. Interestingly, sharp only has meaning to anybody who's studied music in some small form. Most of the people I've come across like to call it hash (which irks me) or pound (my personal preference). Blue skies... Todd - -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ Hey, I'm perfectly reasonable once you realize I'm right. -- John Buttery on Mutt Users ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bi5olp7v05cW2woRAn1tAJ9HkCfOQGDtqf9GHfTxcIiFLXwaUgCfXPSS 29i2TqRPAFQGmMwl7BzUeFE= =1nz5 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 18:43, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Reser wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:48:34AM -0800 : sharp and bang, meaning the #! sequence that tells the system where to find the interpreter. Interestingly, sharp only has meaning to anybody who's studied music in some small form. Most of the people I've come across like to call it hash (which irks me) or pound (my personal preference). I remember The Register debated this topic, exhaustively. It's an octothorpe, officially, apparently. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
On Tue Mar 11 10:43 -0800, Todd Lyons wrote: Interestingly, sharp only has meaning to anybody who's studied music in some small form. Most of the people I've come across like to call it hash (which irks me) or pound (my personal preference). I prefer hash, if only because it allows me to say hash bang slash bin slash bash, which has always amused me... when I'm writing a shell script, I always say that part aloud... ;o) -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The food of love is Mandrake root. GPG Fingerprint: 354C 7A02 77C5 9EE7 8538 4E8D DCD9 B4B0 DC35 67CD Currently playing: George Carlin - New York Voices Linux 2.4.21-0.13mdk 20:40:00 up 1 day, 1:32, 6 users, load average: 0.33, 0.23, 0.18
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] cowsay-3.03-2mdk
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 17:44, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Tue Mar 11 10:43 -0800, Todd Lyons wrote: Interestingly, sharp only has meaning to anybody who's studied music in some small form. Most of the people I've come across like to call it hash (which irks me) or pound (my personal preference). I prefer hash, if only because it allows me to say hash bang slash bin slash bash, which has always amused me... when I'm writing a shell script, I always say that part aloud... ;o) Actually Pound is the term used for the # symbol by the Telco's when they first came up with touch tone dialing... (Ok I remember rotary dial, and yes I'm dating myself.)
