Re: [Cooker] zope 2.6.0
Le Lundi 6 Janvier 2003 20:53, Austin Acton a écrit : Hey, Zope 2.6.0 is out, and the folks over at Polish Linux have it compiling with Python 2.2. As far as I can tell, there's only a one-line patch. It think redoing our old zope RPM is a bit over my head, but I've attached the PLD's specfile in case anyone here wants to try. It would be cool to have zope again, don't you think. There is unofficial conversion of debian package on http://www.drakian.org/RPMS and on http://www.nexedi.org/static/RPMS. Since zope is wrtitten in python, no binary dependency problem. A thing which would cool is caudium ( a webserver with a web configuration interface ). But, this should not be easy to package, if not someone would have already done it... Mick
Re: [Cooker] Zope-2.5 for Mandrake anywhere?
Jürgen Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I wonder if anyone has Zope-2.5 packaged for Mandrake-8.1 or Mandrake-8.2. I have built a set of Zope packages but I will not maintain them. If you send me patches, I'll integrate them but I will not debug problems. I have only built them to validate that our python packages are ok regarding zope. You'll find them at the following address: http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~flepied/experimental/i586/ -- Fred - May the source be with you
Re: [Cooker] Zope?
On za, 2001-09-08 at 14:36, Michal Bukovjan wrote: I think you can safely add Zope again, latest Zope 2.4.1 requires Python 2.1.x, which is in Cooker now. There should be no problems, Michal Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Mark Roach« am 2001-09-07 um 12:43:12 -0500 : I see from rpmfind that Zope was included in Mandrake at one point... has it been dropped? Yes, because there were quite some problems with the current python version, IIRC. Alexander Skwar The reason has more to do with the quality of the code. Vincent doesn't like to make security updates and zope has a name in that respect
Re: [Cooker] Zope?
I think you can safely add Zope again, latest Zope 2.4.1 requires Python 2.1.x, which is in Cooker now. There should be no problems, Michal Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach »Mark Roach« am 2001-09-07 um 12:43:12 -0500 : I see from rpmfind that Zope was included in Mandrake at one point... has it been dropped? Yes, because there were quite some problems with the current python version, IIRC. Alexander Skwar
Re: [Cooker] Zope?
On Sat Sep 08, 2001 at 08:36:44AM -0400, Michal Bukovjan wrote: I think you can safely add Zope again, latest Zope 2.4.1 requires Python 2.1.x, which is in Cooker now. There should be no problems, Except that Zope has a worse security history than bind... =( And that's saying a lot. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD - Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org - MandrakeSoft, Inc. Security www.linux-mandrake.com Current Linux kernel 2.4.7-12.3mdk uptime: 3 days 11 hours 39 minutes. PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Zope?
So sprach »Mark Roach« am 2001-09-07 um 12:43:12 -0500 : I see from rpmfind that Zope was included in Mandrake at one point... has it been dropped? Yes, because there were quite some problems with the current python version, IIRC. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 4 hours 4 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Zope?
Zope pretty much shows up on security lists weekly with some new flaw discovered. I have little room to talk, since I'm probably not a good coder by any stretch of the imagination, but I think they may have called Zope done well before they should have. (They must have a marketing department.) Jørgen Hermanrud Fjeld wrote: Hi. Could you elaborate a little bit on why it is the most insecure...etc.? onsdag 6. juni 2001 20:24, skrev Vincent Danen: On Wed Jun 06, 2001 at 08:01:17PM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach Gary Lawrence Murphy am Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 01:47:38PM -0400: I notice Zope is no longer in the Mandrake distribution. Is there any reason for this? (I don't use it, but I've been asked about it) IIRC, it was because it's incompatible by the Python version used by Mandrake 8.0/Cooker. Yup, that's the mean reason. Secretly, I'm glad it's gone. It's the most insecure software I've laid eyes on to date. =( Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Vedlegg: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description:
Re: [Cooker] Zope?
So sprach Gary Lawrence Murphy am Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 01:47:38PM -0400: I notice Zope is no longer in the Mandrake distribution. Is there any reason for this? (I don't use it, but I've been asked about it) IIRC, it was because it's incompatible by the Python version used by Mandrake 8.0/Cooker. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 20 hours 34 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Zope?
On Wed Jun 06, 2001 at 08:01:17PM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach Gary Lawrence Murphy am Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 01:47:38PM -0400: I notice Zope is no longer in the Mandrake distribution. Is there any reason for this? (I don't use it, but I've been asked about it) IIRC, it was because it's incompatible by the Python version used by Mandrake 8.0/Cooker. Yup, that's the mean reason. Secretly, I'm glad it's gone. It's the most insecure software I've laid eyes on to date. =( -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD - Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org - MandrakeSoft, Inc. Security www.linux-mandrake.com Current Linux kernel 2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin uptime: 1 hour 15 minutes. PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Zope?
Hi. Could you elaborate a little bit on why it is the most insecure...etc.? onsdag 6. juni 2001 20:24, skrev Vincent Danen: On Wed Jun 06, 2001 at 08:01:17PM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach Gary Lawrence Murphy am Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 01:47:38PM -0400: I notice Zope is no longer in the Mandrake distribution. Is there any reason for this? (I don't use it, but I've been asked about it) IIRC, it was because it's incompatible by the Python version used by Mandrake 8.0/Cooker. Yup, that's the mean reason. Secretly, I'm glad it's gone. It's the most insecure software I've laid eyes on to date. =( Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Vedlegg: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description:
Re: [Cooker] Zope
It's nice to see some interest in Zope on the Cooker mailing list. I use Zope out of my Win98 box, mainly because it is so easy to install "out of the box". If Zope could be made to install easily on Mandrake-Linux, GREAT!! Here's what I know about Zope. 2) Zope seems to require python 1.5, the Zope package in cooker doesn't compile due to this -- mymath.h seems to be needed, see: http://d10179.upc-d.chello.nl/build/cooker/alpha/problem/Zope-2.1.6-4mdk.src .rpm.txt. The 2.2.4 package from the 7.2 updates produces similar results when rebuilt; Zope.org (or the guys at Digital Creations who administer Zope) only guarantees Zope to work woth Python 1.5.2. There is currently a project project to migrate Zope to Python 2.0, see http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Python20Migration/FrontPage I took a quick look into those pages, it seems to be quite a project to migrate to 2.0. They hope to have it working before the 2.3.0 release. 4) Configuring Zope to make it work with an other webserver (let's say: apache) requires quite some magick (I've found out that I'm too stupid for it, as I gave up the last time I tried). Hints on how todo this point to serveral URL's, documentation etc. It should be possible to make this easier -- make it work out-of-the-box; Yes, you need to know something about PCGI or FastCGI. Since I started using Zope I have no need to use Apache or My SQL. The Zope ZServer is more than adequate for my local prototyping requirements. Admittedly my database requirements are very small and the Zope Object database gives me what I need. 5) Zope.org only delivers a tgz file, not RPM's. The Zope src.rpm's seem to be originating from: http://starship.python.net/crew/jrush/Zope/ (correct me if I'm wrong); The Zope rpms on this site are way out of date and they are generic i386.rpms. It would be better to have Mandrake Zope rpms. If I know how to make Mandrake RPMs, I would but at this stage it is a bit more that I can currently handle. The is a document available on howto make mdk rpm's see: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/howtos/mdk-rpm/ For the moment making Zope rpm's in cooker isn't possible, we need to wait for the python 2.0 support to be put into Zope. It could be possible to update the 7.2 RPM's to 2.2.5, and make it work out of the box with apache. Question is: where to put them? Unless a security breach is found ( fixed with the new package) it can't be put into "updates" and putting it into "unsupported" might not be wise either. Anyway, I'll have to get a 7.2 box working here then I'll get started on it (don't expect any results soon ;-) ). 6) Is anybody actually using this stuff? Please speak up!! I am still a Zope newbie but I love it. It is completely plateform independent (IMHO). I use it out-of-the-box with its own webserver, object database and search engine. True. Esspecially the platform independance is interesting... Plus the price, just compare it to the other CMS systems in the market... 7) There are tonnes of Zope applications out there which (when packaged) could make building a nice ASP site trivial; Very true!! If you become familiar with the Zope Portal Tool Kit (PTK), ZClasses and the ZOPE API, You could build just about anything ;-) Bingo!! 8) Maintaining this package must be hell; From memory, Zope installed out-of-the-box on my Mandrake 7.2 box. Most of the source is Python code anyway, but your Python path must point to Python 1.5.2. I had problems when I had Python 2.0 installed initially. Cheers, Stefan
Re: [Cooker] Zope
Yo, I've been interested in Zope for a while, it seems like a promissing application platform... Mandrake provides Zope packages. Here are my observations about Zope (please correct me if I'm wrong): 1) The Zope version in the 7.2 updates is newer than the Zope version in cooker; 2) Zope seems to require python 1.5, the Zope package in cooker doesn't compile due to this -- mymath.h seems to be needed, see: http://d10179.upc-d.chello.nl/build/cooker/alpha/problem/Zope-2.1.6-4mdk.src.rpm.txt. The 2.2.4 package from the 7.2 updates produces similar results when rebuilt; flepied got Zope to compile with python 2.0 but he doesn't know if it works or not, no one here knows Zope. -- Geoffrey Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~snailtalk ftp://devel.mandrakesoft.com/pub/people/snailtalk $/usr/games/fortune Anything that can go wrong will go Segmentation fault (core dumped) $
Re: [Cooker] Zope
http://linuxgazette.com/issue57/nielsen2.html has a great example of how to use Zope. Apache. and Python together. mod_snake and such are available pretty easily. The author of the article has his own web site at http://www.tcu-inc.com and is gainfully self-employed as a programmer in this very same area. Civileme On Saturday 13 January 2001 14:28, you wrote: Hi all, I've been interested in Zope for a while, it seems like a promissing application platform... Mandrake provides Zope packages. Here are my observations about Zope (please correct me if I'm wrong): 1) The Zope version in the 7.2 updates is newer than the Zope version in cooker; 2) Zope seems to require python 1.5, the Zope package in cooker doesn't compile due to this -- mymath.h seems to be needed, see: http://d10179.upc-d.chello.nl/build/cooker/alpha/problem/Zope-2.1.6-4mdk.sr c.rpm.txt. The 2.2.4 package from the 7.2 updates produces similar results when rebuilt; 3) The latest release of Zope is 2.2.5 (http://www.zope.org/); 4) Configuring Zope to make it work with an other webserver (let's say: apache) requires quite some magick (I've found out that I'm too stupid for it, as I gave up the last time I tried). Hints on how todo this point to serveral URL's, documentation etc. It should be possible to make this easier -- make it work out-of-the-box; 5) Zope.org only delivers a tgz file, not RPM's. The Zope src.rpm's seem to be originating from: http://starship.python.net/crew/jrush/Zope/ (correct me if I'm wrong); 6) Is anybody actually using this stuff? Please speak up!! 7) There are tonnes of Zope applications out there which (when packaged) could make building a nice ASP site trivial; 8) Maintaining this package must be hell; So: what's the future like for the Mandrake Zope packages? For cooker item #2 is a show-stopper for Zope. If it can't compile / run on python 2.0 then we have a problem. I'd like to update the package to 2.2.5 and make the install a bit user-friendlier (I've got some idea's about this -- need to discuss it with JM). Stefan
Re: [Cooker] Zope
2) Zope seems to require python 1.5, the Zope package in cooker doesn't compile due to this -- mymath.h seems to be needed, see: http://d10179.upc-d.chello.nl/build/cooker/alpha/problem/Zope-2.1.6-4mdk.src.rpm.txt. The 2.2.4 package from the 7.2 updates produces similar results when rebuilt; flepied got Zope to compile with python 2.0 but he doesn't know if it works or not, no one here knows Zope. Well... Why not release the package on cooker, and we'll spend some time fighting with it. Exposure often helps to get problems solved... Stefan
Re: [Cooker] Zope
http://linuxgazette.com/issue57/nielsen2.html
has a great example of how to use Zope. Apache. and Python together.
mod_snake and such are available pretty easily. The author of the article
has his own web site at http://www.tcu-inc.com and is gainfully self-employed
as a programmer in this very same area.
What I'm looking for is for a solution that works "out of the box". For
instance: I tried to install phpgroupware. Installing went fine, but the
rpm left a message that I needed to create a database and do some other
stuff. The problems is: I don't know how to make a database! (and I
think many other people also don't).
So why not put some logic in the %post and %postun to solve this? Making
a database through %pre %post might be difficult, but simple stuff
like:
%pre
if [ `grep PhotoShelf.conf /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf | wc -l` = 0 ];
then
echo "Include conf/PhotoShelf.conf"
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
fi
%post
%{_initdir}/httpd reload
%postun
if [ `grep PhotoShelf.conf /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf | wc -l` = 1 ];
then
perl -p -i -e "s|Include conf/PhotoShelf.conf||"
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
%{_initdir}/httpd reload
fi
Is enough to (in my opninion) safely edit the httpd.conf. The
"conf/PhotoShelf.conf" contains the configuration information the
particular application needs (I'll try to put the photoshelf rpm in
contrib soon -- I still want to integrate making the database into the
rpm installation, and I need to make some more perl packages which this
package requires. More info on photoshelf see:
http://photoshelf.sourceforge.net/ ).
Perhaps a seperate apache configuration file (which is included into
httpd.conf can be made to provide a working sollution out of the box for
Zope.
Maybe this way we can build up a whole set of nice web-applications that
work out of the box. Maybe a path like /var/www/application_name can
be the place where these applications are stored (or something else
compliant to FHS).
What do y'all think? Am I smoking banana's (which is legal where I live
;-) )?
Stefan
Re: [Cooker] Zope
On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Stefan van der Eijk wrote: if [ `grep PhotoShelf.conf /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf | wc -l` = 0 ]; Why not: if (grep -q PhotoShelf.conf /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf); then .. fi sebA
Re: [Cooker] Zope
if [ `grep PhotoShelf.conf /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf | wc -l` = 0 ]; Why not: if (grep -q PhotoShelf.conf /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf); then .. fi Yup... good one!! That would check for the positive (there is a "PhotoShelf.conf" in httpd.conf), but how to do the negative (there isn't a "PhotoShelf.conf")? That one is needed with the %pre. Stefan
Re: [Cooker] Zope
Hi all, It's nice to see some interest in Zope on the Cooker mailing list. I use Zope out of my Win98 box, mainly because it is so easy to install "out of the box". If Zope could be made to install easily on Mandrake-Linux, GREAT!! Here's what I know about Zope. 2) Zope seems to require python 1.5, the Zope package in cooker doesn't compile due to this -- mymath.h seems to be needed, see: http://d10179.upc-d.chello.nl/build/cooker/alpha/problem/Zope-2.1.6-4mdk.src .rpm.txt. The 2.2.4 package from the 7.2 updates produces similar results when rebuilt; Zope.org (or the guys at Digital Creations who administer Zope) only guarantees Zope to work woth Python 1.5.2. There is currently a project project to migrate Zope to Python 2.0, see http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Python20Migration/FrontPage 3) The latest release of Zope is 2.2.5 (http://www.zope.org/); 4) Configuring Zope to make it work with an other webserver (let's say: apache) requires quite some magick (I've found out that I'm too stupid for it, as I gave up the last time I tried). Hints on how todo this point to serveral URL's, documentation etc. It should be possible to make this easier -- make it work out-of-the-box; Yes, you need to know something about PCGI or FastCGI. Since I started using Zope I have no need to use Apache or My SQL. The Zope ZServer is more than adequate for my local prototyping requirements. Admittedly my database requirements are very small and the Zope Object database gives me what I need. 5) Zope.org only delivers a tgz file, not RPM's. The Zope src.rpm's seem to be originating from: http://starship.python.net/crew/jrush/Zope/ (correct me if I'm wrong); The Zope rpms on this site are way out of date and they are generic i386.rpms. It would be better to have Mandrake Zope rpms. If I knoew how to make Mandrake RPMs, I would but at this stage it is a bit more that I can currently handle. 6) Is anybody actually using this stuff? Please speak up!! I am still a Zope newbie but I love it. It is completely plateform independent (IMHO). I use it out-of-the-box with its own webserver, object database and search engine. 7) There are tonnes of Zope applications out there which (when packaged) could make building a nice ASP site trivial; Very true!! If you become familiar with the Zope Portal Tool Kit (PTK), ZClasses and the ZOPE API, You could build just about anything ;-) 8) Maintaining this package must be hell; From memory, Zope installed out-of-the-box on my Mandrake 7.2 box. Most of the source is Python code anyway, but your Python path must point to Python 1.5.2. I had problems when I had Python 2.0 installed initially. Cheers, Ot Ratsaphong
Re: [Cooker] Zope Packages Out of Date
Matthew Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On May 9, someone wrote to the cooker mailing list a note about the Zope packages already being out-of-date and if there were any plans to update the packages to Zope 2.1.6. I never saw a response to this message. With the 7.1 freeze, are there any plans to update these packages after the initial release? yes, when it will be defrozen :-). -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] Zope Packages Out of Date
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Matthew Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On May 9, someone wrote to the cooker mailing list a note about the Zope packages already being out-of-date and if there were any plans to update the packages to Zope 2.1.6. I never saw a response to this message. With the 7.1 freeze, are there any plans to update these packages after the initial release? yes, when it will be defrozen :-). Sweet... thanks. Also, I have been using Mandrake since its humble beginnings and just wanted to express my gratitude. I "converted" all of my co-workers from RedHat and SuSE. And I actively defend Mandrake as NOT being a repackaged RedHat (a task I had to do yesterday at Saint Louis ITEC convention with a somewhat well-known Linux advocate and author). Keep up the great work! -matthew porter -- Guillaume Cottenceau
RE: [Cooker] Zope bundled with Midgard
Yes please. Very nice web development program. -Original Message- Hi. I wondered if you have considered Zope as a program to include in the distribution. I would like you to. -- Jørgen Hermanrud Fjeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
