Fwd: Re: [Cooker] new install floppies, more modules dropped
Did not see this get through the first time. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [Cooker] new install floppies, more modules dropped Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:40:53 -0700 From: David Eastcott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 30 January 2003 15:11, Pixel wrote: ... - good news: many gigabit drivers are now available - bad news: the following modules are not available on install floppies disk/scsi: NCR53c406a aha152x psi240i qlogicfas qlogicfc wd7000 sim710 t128 ultrastor 53c7,8xx dc395x_trm BusLogic seagate fdomain g_NCR5380 3w- pci2220i qla2x00 eata eata_pio eata_dma in2000 pas16 a100u2w AM53C974 u14-34f ... I am using 3w- modules one servers, any chance that they can be left on the boot floppies? Dave ---
Re: [Cooker] new install floppies, more modules dropped
On Thursday 30 January 2003 15:11, Pixel wrote: ... - good news: many gigabit drivers are now available - bad news: the following modules are not available on install floppies disk/scsi: NCR53c406a aha152x psi240i qlogicfas qlogicfc wd7000 sim710 t128 ultrastor 53c7,8xx dc395x_trm BusLogic seagate fdomain g_NCR5380 3w- pci2220i qla2x00 eata eata_pio eata_dma in2000 pas16 a100u2w AM53C974 u14-34f ... I am using 3w- modules one servers, any chance that they can be left on the boot floppies? Dave
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
Date sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:03:21 +0200 From: Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Borsenkow Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where have you found these 99% of people? Obviously, of all posting in this thread just two people have seen it - one of them developer. So, speaking about *users* the score is currently 100% against it :-) Well, here at Mandrake we sure do tweaking of system all day long, and no one of us is logged as root of course. Some of us use sudo a lot, some of us (like me) open one terminal and become root with su in this terminal, and that's fine, but no one logs into the WM as root. It's especially dangerous to do mail/web/news, cvs stuff, and any normal operations with root, and I don't see a good reason to do that provided you have su and sudo. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/ Here is another vote to have an option in 'expert' to disable this behavior. I spent half a day at work trying to figure out what happened to the desktop...Removing the Desktop dir and the .kde dir and restarting to see if it would come back and run the wizard again(which I thought was the problem.) If you want to make the background a different color, fine, but do not disable important icons like the shell and kill icon! Expecialy as you have not fixed the problem with installing on Dell Optiplex GX110s yet. I still cannot get anything but 640x480x16color working on the Dell with intel video. This is with RC1. MD8 worked fine, but ALL versions of MD8.1 have not worked at all. It does not even ask to test the video anymore, just goes directly to the 'boot x on startup' question. James Ray Kenney -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDGh+IAAAEEALtoCTrqvHd8tCifWK8hXwqdZuvbWOZOPo8RWKUm697HLOMr T5yfr40LaoZpCgec/ErcPJlOoZ3Ok1d5J8K/xrl8U7t+mNag00VMpmz/AfRhsPnQ +iVcTvtcw+opIoO++Ei4LiY/99H+5raPnTe7icucTkYKdxyAqJT7hiQSTfy1AAUR tCJKYW1lcyBSYXkgS2VubmV5IDxqa2VubmV5QHNhdC5uZXQ+iQCVAwUQMPYvf5T7 hiQSTfy1AQEY6QQAhHGkbKDE7rGaQ5t/KdgeobCmIv6UWT/YKr1n49Tjl8P8Ntr1 16BWocObvAWESiunutYHqiy7She5ncP3PlOs39VuBdw6Nr9ehu6tblufOyiHeZN6 T6qJUwWpDXqDJDf1ecS+2QgVWsx7Qt4b6TyB1C0zMTtq2/encVHWOQ5PU70= =TcJB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
RE: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
Im a Mandrake user(newbie), and I would like to log-in as root in my Box, but with the current 8.1's new behavior I think I would just stick to 8.0 coz i normally log-in as root in my box this box is not plugged in the network BTW... I have used LM 7, 7.2, and 8.0 but with the current info that I can no longer log-in as root in 8.1 I think I should pass this upgrade.. But I hope you just make it an option when you choose expert Install so that we newbies can experiment with Linux and not further push us to M$.. and also have Linux gain a more wide acceptance... thank you... Miko. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Borsenkow Andrej Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems Where have you found these 99% of people? Obviously, of all posting in this thread just two people have seen it - one of them developer. So, speaking about *users* the score is currently 100% against it :-) It is exactly that Mandrake took time to change *existing* behavior into something different. As if it was the only remaining problem and there is nothing more to do on 8.1 ... -andrej
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Vincent Meyer wrote: True, it might not be, however why should I loose features because I choose to do this? I log in as root because I am often installing, fiddling, testing, etc with things that most user shouldn't - at the same time I'm getting my user work - e-mail, word processing, etc done. I DON't want to have to log out and back in again all the time. I KNOW what risks I am taking - and choosing to take then, however I'm now faced with a number of nice KDE features being removed to influence me not to do that. Same for me. I solve this bad things: Copy ~/Desktop and ~/.kde/config from normal user to /root Why MDK hates logging as root in KDE? The warning at the begining should be enough. Yes. Red background is OK. R.V.
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
Le Jeudi 20 Septembre 2001 10:51, Radek Vybiral scribit : I solve this bad things: Copy ~/Desktop and ~/.kde/config from normal user to /root NO. the best way is to not log as root ! Why MDK hates logging as root in KDE? The warning at the begining should be enough. Yes. Red background is OK. No as you log as root and don't understand why it is dangerous. there's also su and sudo + open a term + []$ su - give the root password make what you want, and you can launch what you want. reduce the term or put it for example in the third that you will reserve for management/configuration, and that's it ! ( God bless virtual desktop ). You can also try sudo ( man sudo, man sudoers ) so YOU DON'T NEED AT ALL TO LOG IN KDE/Gnome AS ROOT. You can even launch kcontrol for root from the console while you're logging as a normal user. -- Copyleft Faber's prod. 2001 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Fabrice FACORAT wrote: No as you log as root and don't understand why it is dangerous. there's also su and sudo + open a term + []$ su - give the root password make what you want, and you can launch what you want. reduce the term or put it for example in the third that you will reserve for management/configuration, and that's it ! ( God bless virtual desktop ). Yes, I know about this. I'm working with Linux/Unix 7+ years only as root user, so I think its too late changing me :) IMHO disabling root login to the KDE or Gnome in higher security levels will be OK. Is this acceptable? R.V.
RE: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
Where have you found these 99% of people? Obviously, of all posting in this thread just two people have seen it - one of them developer. So, speaking about *users* the score is currently 100% against it :-) Well, here at Mandrake we sure do tweaking of system all day long, and no one of us is logged as root of course. Some of us use sudo a lot, some of us (like me) open one terminal and become root with su in this terminal, and that's fine, but no one logs into the WM as root. It's especially dangerous to do mail/web/news, cvs stuff, and any normal operations with root, and I don't see a good reason to do that provided you have su and sudo. Sigh ... you argue wrong point. Me too not working as root @home (window manager or no window manager). I happened to notice it only because it was test system that is reinstalled from scratch every day and I see no point in creating additional users every time (if I need to test something specific I always can do it). But now, when I noticed it, I just say it is way too intrusive. We already have root warnings and that is quite enough. You may advice, you may teach, you should not force. So I am not against the idea, I am against the way it is implemented. Actually, I'd say that carefully selected tools do much less harm than newbie starting terminal emulator as root and trying to learn basic Unix skills. -andrej rm -rf *;bak bak: not found
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
On do, 2001-09-20 at 04:28, Fabrice FACORAT wrote: Le Jeudi 20 Septembre 2001 04:21, Sergio P.Korlowsky a écrit : Well... if it goes to votes, I vote to leave it as it is now, and I haven't seen it yet so do I, but I'm going to test RC 1 so I will see it maybe. it is true, you a see lot of people logged in as root, unreal! unreal is the word. So the red background is a good idea. How many people didn't see the warning and the instructions on NOT using the software manager to update the kernel..? and they did! they didn't READ the info. indeed. Pixel had to remove kernel from the possible update packages ! Why would anyone want to log in as root, if you can do the same things as user and then 'su' (Super User) su = switch user su - or su - root for root su - user to log as a user superuser aka root su for superuser with su you don't become an other user. You mainly change uid and gid. Almost nothing else
RE: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Borsenkow Andrej wrote: Where have you found these 99% of people? Obviously, of all posting in this thread just two people have seen it - one of them developer. So, speaking about *users* the score is currently 100% against it :-) Well, here at Mandrake we sure do tweaking of system all day long, and no one of us is logged as root of course. Some of us use sudo a lot, some of us (like me) open one terminal and become root with su in this terminal, and that's fine, but no one logs into the WM as root. It's especially dangerous to do mail/web/news, cvs stuff, and any normal operations with root, and I don't see a good reason to do that provided you have su and sudo. Sigh ... you argue wrong point. Me too not working as root @home (window manager or no window manager). I happened to notice it only because it was test system that is reinstalled from scratch every day and I see no point in creating additional users every time (if I need to test something specific I always can do it). You exactly described my situation. Especially for last weeks when Beta series comes out. But now, when I noticed it, I just say it is way too intrusive. We already have root warnings and that is quite enough. You may advice, you may teach, you should not force. So I am not against the idea, I am against the way it is implemented. IMHO best solution will be disable root login on higher security levels. This works for console why not for KDE or Gnome? R.V.
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
superuser aka root su for superuser with su you don't become an other user. You mainly change uid and gid. Almost nothing else but su username changes you to any user on the sytem, hence the command is abbreviated switch user, and not super user -- Tom Tomahawk Badran Department of Computing, Imperial College
RE: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Michael Bollozos wrote: Im a Mandrake user(newbie), and I would like to log-in as root in my Box, but with the current 8.1's new behavior I think I would just stick to 8.0 coz i normally log-in as root in my box this box is not plugged in the network BTW... I have used LM 7, 7.2, and 8.0 but with the current info that I can no longer log-in as root in 8.1 I think I should pass this upgrade.. But I hope you just make it an option when you choose expert Install so that we newbies can experiment with Linux and not further push us to M$.. and also have Linux gain a more wide acceptance... thank you... Can you please echo $SECURE_LEVEL? If it is 3 then msec 2 Also check msec manual. Mandarke have diffrent security levels. So use one you like. -- 9:17pm up 27 days, 10:21, 3 users, load average: 0.12, 0.11, 0.09 __ | / \ |Iouri Goussev// \\ \_\\ //_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\\()//_ .'/()\'. Foo-Bar / // \\ \ jgs\\ // http://foobar.irc-unix.net| \__/ | I am not 31337. But I can use the Vi editor... ;-0
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
On 20 Sep 2001, andre wrote: su = switch user su - or su - root for root su - user to log as a user superuser aka root su for superuser with su you don't become an other user. You mainly change uid and gid. Almost nothing else Nah. Also all env variables. su -, but with su yes only uid and gid. -- 9:36pm up 27 days, 10:40, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.07 __ | / \ |Iouri Goussev// \\ \_\\ //_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\\()//_ .'/()\'. Foo-Bar / // \\ \ jgs\\ // http://foobar.irc-unix.net| \__/ | I am not 31337. But I can use the Vi editor... ;-0
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
Le Mercredi 19 Septembre 2001 15:39, David BAUDENS scribit : On Wednesday 19 September 2001 10:19, you wrote: 1. Background has nasty and distasteful dark red color (blood color is probably right term). When wizard starts background is changed to usual blue. I cancelled Wizard and KDE came up with this new color. You are root. Red color is normal. 2. There is no desktop items in KDE except Home and Trash bin. To remind, I have cancelled wizard. But yesterday I did *not* cancelled it and got the same result. You are root. It's normal. 3. There is no quick launch bar in KDE (or it is empty). Again it was yesterday as well. You are root. It's normal. All problems are not related to 2.2.1, they were yesterday. It's a great idea, a good move : KEEP ON IT AND NEVER CHANGE THIS BEAHAVIOUR. How many times it have to say people don't log as root and use su or sudo instead. How many times ... even if root is not in the login screen, they do it. Really great. -- Copyleft Faber's prod. 2001 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
Le Jeudi 20 Septembre 2001 03:25, Vincent Meyer scribit : Maybe so - but I hate it. I spend half of my time logged in as root because I WANT to be logged in as root. why do YOU want to do that ? don't do it ! You don't NEED to log as root in KDE, and what YOU want may not be the best. Loosing a lot of the things I use in KDE in order to keep me from being a user logged in as root is obnoxious. The KDE warning that comes up is plenty. no, not at all. I see plenty of people logging in KDE as root. grrr back to win9x if it is for doing such things. If this is not a cast in stone policy, I vote we either change it back, no or that there be an option to re-enable the stuff. maybe, that sounds sensible. but a very hidden option ( for example in userdrake as few people have a look at it and as to access root config is hide also ). It's a great idea, a good move : KEEP ON IT AND NEVER CHANGE THIS BEAHAVIOUR. How many times it have to say people don't log as root and use su or sudo instead. How many times ... even if root is not in the login screen, they do it. Really great. -- Copyleft Faber's prod. 2001 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
True, it might not be, however why should I loose features because I choose to do this? I log in as root because I am often installing, fiddling, testing, etc with things that most user shouldn't - at the same time I'm getting my user work - e-mail, word processing, etc done. I DON't want to have to log out and back in again all the time. I KNOW what risks I am taking - and choosing to take then, however I'm now faced with a number of nice KDE features being removed to influence me not to do that. The warning at the begining should be enough. Fabrice FACORAT wrote: Le Jeudi 20 Septembre 2001 03:25, Vincent Meyer scribit : Maybe so - but I hate it. I spend half of my time logged in as root because I WANT to be logged in as root. why do YOU want to do that ? don't do it ! You don't NEED to log as root in KDE, and what YOU want may not be the best. Loosing a lot of the things I use in KDE in order to keep me from being a user logged in as root is obnoxious. The KDE warning that comes up is plenty. no, not at all. I see plenty of people logging in KDE as root. grrr back to win9x if it is for doing such things. NO! Just because I don't choose to use what you consider are safe or good practices shouldn't force me to go back to Windows!!! Plenty of people logging into KDE as root isn't the same as plenty of developers logging into KDE as root. If this is not a cast in stone policy, I vote we either change it back, no or that there be an option to re-enable the stuff. maybe, that sounds sensible. but a very hidden option ( for example in userdrake as few people have a look at it and as to access root config is hide also ). It's a great idea, a good move : KEEP ON IT AND NEVER CHANGE THIS BEAHAVIOUR. How many times it have to say people don't log as root and use su or sudo instead. How many times ... even if root is not in the login screen, they do it. Really great. -- Copyleft Faber's prod. 2001 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
NO! Just because I don't choose to use what you consider are safe or good practices shouldn't force me to go back to Windows!!! Plenty of people logging into KDE as root isn't the same as plenty of developers logging into KDE as root. If you feel that you can use it safely enough, then surely you must have the abililty to change/enable any of the features you want, why should mandrake be changed for 1 person, when 99% of people want it the way it is, or dont know better to make that judgment themselves. And why log in as root to install software etc? I havent logged in as root directly for over a year and i can do all those things. You can set kdesktop icons to load administative programs as another user (root) and then it will ask for a password on loading that program. -- Tom Tomahawk Badran Department of Computing, Imperial College
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
Le Jeudi 20 Septembre 2001 04:11, Tom Badran scribit : If you feel that you can use it safely enough, then surely you must have the abililty to change/enable any of the features you want, why should mandrake be changed for 1 person, when 99% of people want it the way it is, or dont know better to make that judgment themselves. And why log in as root to install software etc? I havent logged in as root directly for over a year and i can do all those things. You can set kdesktop icons to load administative programs as another user (root) and then it will ask for a password on loading that program. there's also su and sudo + open a term + []$ su - give the root password make what you want, and you can launch what you want. reduce the term or put it for example in the third that you will reserve for management/configuration, and that's it ! ( God bless virtual desktop ). You can also try sudo ( man sudo, man sudoers ) so YOU DON'T NEED AT ALL TO LOG IN KDE/Gnome AS ROOT. You can even launch kcontrol for root from the console while you're logging as a normal user. -- Copyleft Faber's prod. 2001 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
On Wednesday 19 September 2001 20:33, you wrote: Le Jeudi 20 Septembre 2001 03:25, Vincent Meyer scribit : Maybe so - but I hate it. I spend half of my time logged in as root because I WANT to be logged in as root. why do YOU want to do that ? don't do it ! You don't NEED to log as root in KDE, and what YOU want may not be the best. Loosing a lot of the things I use in KDE in order to keep me from being a user logged in as root is obnoxious. The KDE warning that comes up is plenty. no, not at all. I see plenty of people logging in KDE as root. grrr back to win9x if it is for doing such things. If this is not a cast in stone policy, I vote we either change it back, no Well... if it goes to votes, I vote to leave it as it is now, and I haven't seen it yet it is true, you a see lot of people logged in as root, unreal! So the red background is a good idea. How many people didn't see the warning and the instructions on NOT using the software manager to update the kernel..? and they did! they didn't READ the info. Why would anyone want to log in as root, if you can do the same things as user and then 'su' (Super User) my .02 or that there be an option to re-enable the stuff. maybe, that sounds sensible. but a very hidden option ( for example in userdrake as few people have a look at it and as to access root config is hide also ). It's a great idea, a good move : KEEP ON IT AND NEVER CHANGE THIS BEAHAVIOUR. How many times it have to say people don't log as root and use su or sudo instead. How many times ... even if root is not in the login screen, they do it. Really great. -- SedeComp Comunicaciones Internet Solutions MandrakeSoft's VAR and System Integrator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP key available on:http://www.keyserver.net/en/ |--| Current Linux kernel 2.4.8-24mdk uptime: 0 hours 32 minutes.
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
Le Jeudi 20 Septembre 2001 04:21, Sergio P.Korlowsky a écrit : Well... if it goes to votes, I vote to leave it as it is now, and I haven't seen it yet so do I, but I'm going to test RC 1 so I will see it maybe. it is true, you a see lot of people logged in as root, unreal! unreal is the word. So the red background is a good idea. How many people didn't see the warning and the instructions on NOT using the software manager to update the kernel..? and they did! they didn't READ the info. indeed. Pixel had to remove kernel from the possible update packages ! Why would anyone want to log in as root, if you can do the same things as user and then 'su' (Super User) su = switch user su - or su - root for root su - user to log as a user -- Copyleft Faber's prod. 2001 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html
RE: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
On Wednesday 19 September 2001 10:19, you wrote: Just did new install, Configuration, Console, Gnome, KDE groups selected, ni manual package selection, Russian locale KOI8-R. First time login, startx. 1. Background has nasty and distasteful dark red color (blood color is probably right term). When wizard starts background is changed to usual blue. I cancelled Wizard and KDE came up with this new color. You are root. Red color is normal. 2. There is no desktop items in KDE except Home and Trash bin. To remind, I have cancelled wizard. But yesterday I did *not* cancelled it and got the same result. You are root. It's normal. 3. There is no quick launch bar in KDE (or it is empty). Again it was yesterday as well. You are root. It's normal. All problems are not related to 2.2.1, they were yesterday. Don't log as root and all will be as yesterday. Pardon me, I am not new to Mandrake, this list or cooker as you may suspect and it *never* was this way. This new feature (just like first time wizard) should have been added very recently. If it were *always* so I would not ask this question in the first place. You may advice. You should not dictate. As was already pointed out, it is my choice. You should not deprive me of features in this case. I find it overly regrettable that such major changes in behavior are done shortly before release, thus making it even more difficult for people to test. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] new install - background/desktop problems
On September 19, 2001 23:20 pm, you wrote: NO! Just because I don't choose to use what you consider are safe or good practices shouldn't force me to go back to Windows!!! Plenty of people logging into KDE as root isn't the same as plenty of developers logging into KDE as root. If you feel that you can use it safely enough, then surely you must have the abililty to change/enable any of the features you want, why should mandrake be changed for 1 person, when 99% of people want it the way it is, or dont know better to make that judgment themselves. Where have you found these 99% of people? Obviously, of all posting in this thread just two people have seen it - one of them developer. So, speaking about *users* the score is currently 100% against it :-) I think it's a good sign that barely anyone saw it :) . And I'm a user, and I like it. I also spend a little bit of time over at MandrakeExpert, and I can tell you, this will be a definate bonus. -- Live fast, die young, you're sucking up my bandwidth J.P. Pasnak, CD Warped Systems http://www.warpedsystems.sk.ca http://canopener.ca
Re: [Cooker] New install - first boot hangs on Starting Devfs
Blue Lizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I let it sit, got breakfast, took shower, read book, played ball, and it still not finished (slow machine). I decided to go with devfs=nomount. edit /etc/devfsd.conf and remove the line that talk about /sbin/pam_console_apply
Re: [Cooker] New install - first boot hangs on Starting Devfs
On 22 Aug 2001 10:43:08 +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: Blue Lizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I let it sit, got breakfast, took shower, read book, played ball, and it still not finished (slow machine). I decided to go with devfs=nomount. edit /etc/devfsd.conf and remove the line that talk about /sbin/pam_console_apply Thank you. I take it things have changed in the install to reflect this neccessity. Blue-going to look up how to spell that word.
RE: [Cooker] New install - first boot hangs on Starting Devfs
Synced two hours ago, almost default install, root on reiser, first boot - system hangs on starting DevFs. Install yesterday was still O.K. :-) The only difference I use chained lilo loader from the first install, on test installation (hda5) lilo is installed on partinion. O.K. it's up, but it definitely took several minutes to continue booting. ?? -andrej
RE: [Cooker] New install - first boot hangs on Starting Devfs
I let it sit, got breakfast, took shower, read book, played ball, and it still not finished (slow machine). I decided to go with devfs=nomount.
Re: [Cooker] new install
Dans l'article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Rajesh Veerappan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit : Installing nautilus-trilobite will fix the eazel services problem. I'm going to fix nautilus to no longer display Eazel service icon if nautilus-trilobite is not installed.. -- Frdric Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] new install
"joabb2" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Great install, photo's broke up boredom of waiting wished for names attached. was posted once on this ML and on the Forum. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] new install
Thanks, Found it. a cable installer knocked me off for 30hrs :-/ just catching up. JoAnne - Original Message - From: "Rajesh Veerappan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] new install Installing nautilus-trilobite will fix the eazel services problem. On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, joabb2 wrote: I refuse to use Netscape since a telco isp tried to shove it down my throat and wouldnt budge. Konqureor starts out at 14k/bps and gradually rises to a max of 292k/bps after ten minutes. I know it has something to do with handshaking and number of packets received with out error but haven't a clue where to start debugging BTW initialized Gnome, Eazel and evolution got my email going once. Now clicking on icon says eazel is misspelled :? Thank you for reply JoAnne - Original Message - From: "Vadim Plessky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] new install On Tuesday 03 April 2001 07:49, joabb2 wrote: | BTW I still use win/Gozilla for d/ld. get 500-600k/bps. | cant get more than 292k/bps with Linux :(( | (yes traceroute and ping are about same) | Do you use Netscape/Mozilla inder Linux? Try Konqueror. I am on dialup, and transfer rate (on ftp download) is higher for me under Linux, comparing to Win98. I am using KDE 2.1 / Konqueror 2.1. | JoAnne -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
Re: [Cooker] new install
On Tuesday 03 April 2001 07:49, joabb2 wrote: | BTW I still use win/Gozilla for d/ld. get 500-600k/bps. | cant get more than 292k/bps with Linux :(( | (yes traceroute and ping are about same) | Do you use Netscape/Mozilla inder Linux? Try Konqueror. I am on dialup, and transfer rate (on ftp download) is higher for me under Linux, comparing to Win98. I am using KDE 2.1 / Konqueror 2.1. | JoAnne -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
Re: [Cooker] new install
I refuse to use Netscape since a telco isp tried to shove it down my throat and wouldnt budge. Konqureor starts out at 14k/bps and gradually rises to a max of 292k/bps after ten minutes. I know it has something to do with handshaking and number of packets received with out error but haven't a clue where to start debugging BTW initialized Gnome, Eazel and evolution got my email going once. Now clicking on icon says eazel is misspelled :? Thank you for reply JoAnne - Original Message - From: "Vadim Plessky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] new install On Tuesday 03 April 2001 07:49, joabb2 wrote: | BTW I still use win/Gozilla for d/ld. get 500-600k/bps. | cant get more than 292k/bps with Linux :(( | (yes traceroute and ping are about same) | Do you use Netscape/Mozilla inder Linux? Try Konqueror. I am on dialup, and transfer rate (on ftp download) is higher for me under Linux, comparing to Win98. I am using KDE 2.1 / Konqueror 2.1. | JoAnne -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
Re: [Cooker] new install
Installing nautilus-trilobite will fix the eazel services problem. On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, joabb2 wrote: I refuse to use Netscape since a telco isp tried to shove it down my throat and wouldnt budge. Konqureor starts out at 14k/bps and gradually rises to a max of 292k/bps after ten minutes. I know it has something to do with handshaking and number of packets received with out error but haven't a clue where to start debugging BTW initialized Gnome, Eazel and evolution got my email going once. Now clicking on icon says eazel is misspelled :? Thank you for reply JoAnne - Original Message - From: "Vadim Plessky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] new install On Tuesday 03 April 2001 07:49, joabb2 wrote: | BTW I still use win/Gozilla for d/ld. get 500-600k/bps. | cant get more than 292k/bps with Linux :(( | (yes traceroute and ping are about same) | Do you use Netscape/Mozilla inder Linux? Try Konqueror. I am on dialup, and transfer rate (on ftp download) is higher for me under Linux, comparing to Win98. I am using KDE 2.1 / Konqueror 2.1. | JoAnne -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
Re: [Cooker] New Install...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now stage2 works, can find HDA,HDB... but something happens and a new error is here :))) can you mail me the report.bug? to get it: switch to console 2 put a fat floppy in floppy drive and type "bug" - it will put report.bug on floppy and this file interests me :) thanks, cu Pixel.
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Brook humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks pixel actually what I've had to do so far is boot up with my linux rescue disk. Start fdisk delete all the partitions and then guess at were they were before. Anyway I got enough of it that I can mount part of the root partition and the boot.0300 file is there now what do I do with it. dd if=boot.0300 of=/dev/hda explaination: the first time you call "lilo", it creates a backup of your mbr. pb: if you had some extended partitions, it won't recover them, as the information is not on the mbr (first sector of disk)
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Thanks my /home and ftp/pub partitions made it ok but root and swap are bad. At lest none of the important stuff is gone and I made copies a long time ago of things like rc.masq and samba.conf to my /home dir so all should be ok. Pixel wrote: Brook humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks pixel actually what I've had to do so far is boot up with my linux rescue disk. Start fdisk delete all the partitions and then guess at were they were before. Anyway I got enough of it that I can mount part of the root partition and the boot.0300 file is there now what do I do with it. dd if=boot.0300 of=/dev/hda explaination: the first time you call "lilo", it creates a backup of your mbr. pb: if you had some extended partitions, it won't recover them, as the information is not on the mbr (first sector of disk)
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Christopher Molnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, on a different note, what do you do if you , very dumbly, delete your lilo.conf file? i don't this there is a way. Any way to retreve from lilo? do you mean the lilo.conf file ? -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com San-Diego, CA USA.--Chmouel
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Christopher Molnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, I mean I deleted the lilo.conf file on my server (accidently, you'd laugh to hard if I told you what I did) and didn't have a backup. (Hell, I had created a new server from another machine and copied all of /etc/*.conf from my origional machine to the new one. Well, there went the lilo.conf) i don't think there is any way. (backup guy !!) -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com San-Diego, CA USA.--Chmouel
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Christopher Molnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, I mean I deleted the lilo.conf file on my server (accidently, you'd laugh to hard if I told you what I did) and didn't have a backup. no way to recover it from the mbr. you have to reconfig it. maybe drakboot can help!
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i think by definition the dev kernel is not going to be in
a distro install. closest you can get is maybe
the hackkernel. but doing the dev kernel from a source
download isn't to bad route is
1 install the distros kernel source rpm (for RH or L-M type
distros) when you fix the deps
you get the toolsets
2 go to www.kernel.org or one of the mirrors and get the
archive (all 12 megs)
3 unpack the archive and rename the tree (will be linux) to
the version number (currently as of this mailing 2.3.99pre5
for the BETA)
4 move the tree to /usr/src/ and symlink to linux in the
same directory (remove the existing symlink)
5 straight out of the retail manual for L-M in a terminal
type
cd usr/src/linux/
make xconfig make dep make clean make bzImage
make modules make modules_install
6 {bad singing} A HACKING WE WILL GO , A HACKING WE WILL GO
... {/bad singing}
Re: [Cooker] New Install of Oxygen - Few things....
Scott Haug [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 09:59:09PM -0500, Heath Doane wrote: Greetings, 3) "Normal" user is unable to run X successfully. Root has no problems, but when a regular user starts X, the server loads, the screen goes blue with an "X" cursor, but the KDE desktop never appears (some drive activity, but no desktop) I had this problem when I installed a fresh oxygen while retaining my previous /home partition. I created new users using the same name as the previous users (thus reusing the old user's dirs), but the install gave them new uid's. So when I tried to log in to my old account, I had no permissions to write to my account, which I believe is necessary when starting kde. this is quite strange. DrakX has special code to handle this situation. And as far as i just retested, it works!
Re: [Cooker] New Install of Oxygen - Few things....
Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scott Haug [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 09:59:09PM -0500, Heath Doane wrote: Greetings, 3) "Normal" user is unable to run X successfully. Root has no problems, but when a regular user starts X, the server loads, the screen goes blue with an "X" cursor, but the KDE desktop never appears (some drive activity, but no desktop) I had this problem when I installed a fresh oxygen while retaining my previous /home partition. I created new users using the same name as the previous users (thus reusing the old user's dirs), but the install gave them new uid's. So when I tried to log in to my old account, I had no permissions to write to my account, which I believe is necessary when starting kde. this is quite strange. DrakX has special code to handle this situation. And as far as i just retested, it works! silly me, it doesn't works as it should, fixing it grmrmrmbbll...
Re: [Cooker] New Install of Oxygen - Few things....
Heath Doane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 04:15 AM 1/2/00 +0100, you wrote: Heath Doane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) When Installing, if it detects existing Linux partitions, it would not let me create new/more. diskdrake or lilo ? That would be in Diskdrake. I chose the "Custom" then "Normal" install options when starting the install, as well. you must have system commander. give readonly=0 at install boot prompt (this is changed in last version)
Re: [Cooker] New Install of Oxygen - Few things....
Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had this problem when I installed a fresh oxygen while retaining my previous /home partition. I created new users using the same name as the previous users (thus reusing the old user's dirs), but the install gave them new uid's. So when I tried to log in to my old account, I had no permissions to write to my account, which I believe is necessary when starting kde. this is quite strange. DrakX has special code to handle this situation. And as far as i just retested, it works! silly me, it doesn't works as it should, fixing it grmrmrmbbll... yeah, a stupid line was not where it should... fixed!
Re: [Cooker] New Install of Oxygen - Few things....
I'm new but... did you delete the partitions allready there first because when i installed i could change almost at will..strange about the 245m swap file though Heath Doane wrote: At 04:15 AM 1/2/00 +0100, you wrote: Heath Doane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) When Installing, if it detects existing Linux partitions, it would not let me create new/more. diskdrake or lilo ? That would be in Diskdrake. I chose the "Custom" then "Normal" install options when starting the install, as well. 3) "Normal" user is unable to run X successfully. Root has no problems, but when a regular user starts X, the server loads, the screen goes blue with an "X" cursor, but the KDE desktop never appears (some drive activity, but no desktop) what security level, what your .xsession-errors say ? Soon as I boot the Linux PC, I'll let you know.. :) Thanks Heath "For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen." --Douglas Adams
Re: [Cooker] New Install of Oxygen - Few things....
At 10:03 AM 1/2/00 , you wrote: I'm new but... did you delete the partitions allready there first because when i installed i could change almost at will..strange about the 245m swap file though How about adjusting the code to set the max. auto-selected swap file size to amount of physical memory present (fairly good thumbrule i believe). --- Sanjay Sheth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] New Install of Oxygen - Few things....
Sanjay Sheth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:03 AM 1/2/00 , you wrote: I'm new but... did you delete the partitions allready there first because when i installed i could change almost at will..strange about the 245m swap file though How about adjusting the code to set the max. auto-selected swap file size to amount of physical memory present (fairly good thumbrule i believe). as for me i've never understood this rule!
Re: [Cooker] New Install of Oxygen - Few things....
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: Let me clarify i guess. I wouldn't have less than 128megs. 386 or 1gig of real ram. At current prices 254 megs of hd cost like 2$us. I personaly can't recommend any less than 128 with todays uses. not unfortunately in the UK, 110 for 15Gb or is my maths screwed srp
Re: [Cooker] New Install of Oxygen - Few things....
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, stephen wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: Let me clarify i guess. I wouldn't have less than 128megs. 386 or 1gig of real ram. At current prices 254 megs of hd cost like 2$us. I personaly can't recommend any less than 128 with todays uses. not unfortunately in the UK, 110 for 15Gb or is my maths screwed srp Oh yeah i hate that (and always forget), so whats the current conversion rate. The prices really are generaly comparable unless of course you live in one of those places where satalite telephones are a must. anyways, so like if the difference is greater than 1 to 1.5 shipping maybe cheeper than buying localy and paying taxes.
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It was trying to use my modem for the network. I think. I set up the modem during install. Pixel wrote: root [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] 3) The modem install didn't work quite so nice this time and the crypto packages could not be downloaded during install. I just created an rc.serial and rebooted wich fixed the modem. It used to find it automaticaly though. francois? 4) hwiz or whatever didn't install so I just installed the package myself wich fixed the hwiz errors. it will be in kdebase Requires 5) For some reason sndconfig didn't install either. uh! [...] 7) I like the new crypto download option maybe it will work better as soon as i get a cable modem. in fact, it shouldn't ask you about crypto stuff if there is no network available.
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Well most of the same ;-) It also got stucked at cryptografic, "choose a mirror from which to get packages from... and the same, it couldn't find the modem... which it did before, if I hit -cancel- skips the option to go to the next, but after setting the time, it comes back to the same option "choose a mirror..." also I get the same error, KFM Warning, could not execute program /usr/bin/hwiz uhh it too early here, all night awaken ;-) its about time to go to bed, I like the packages pre-selection "choose the size of installation and add more packages... neat! Sergio Korlowsky --- M A N D R A K E * The Friendliest of ALL Linux Distros * * Time is in our side *
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webmedic wrote: Its looking real good. I did an install from cdrom. it boots up with kdm now instead of gdm but maybe thats because I opted not to install gnome although it is still their using icewm as the windowmanager. Kfm segfaults if I try to go to the linux mandrake website. Even if i use the News link on the desktop. Netscape still segfaults, so i still using the nightly builds of mozilla for now. It'll be nice when they get the bugs worked out. I noticed that there are new fiiles on the mirror right now so I'll try a reinstall in the morning. Great... just what I was waiting for... I'll download again and burn a cd in the morning... Thanks sk
