Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
--- "J.A. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20020131 SI Reasoning wrote: > >I disagree, > >first, this is a major problem as it completely > >freezes the box and it has to be turned off > manually. > > > > OK > > >second, when you release a distribution it needs to > be > >able to run on as many boxes as possible without > major > >crashes, if you can turn off an item and it creates > >more stable boxes, then you are less likely to lose > >people, especially newbies > > > > Then disable DMA for ide drives, it can crash on > some > ServerWorks boxes. So put all Linux users down to > slowliness because the implementation of a feature > (read DMA or APIC) is broken in certain hardware > (ServerWorks or Inspiron). > The DMA problem is easy to solve, it can be disabled > selectively depending on chipset. I do not know if > it can be done also with apic. But but will happen > if not ? Would you release a distro without DMA ? If APIC could be successfully disabled (append=noapic does not resolve this problem), then I would recommend a script to notify users of this problem on install or at least have a readme available while installing the kernel and a place for newbies to add these particulars fairly idiot-proof during install if it is not automatically detected. However, this cannot be done and it is a major issue. DMA can be turned off however, so a similar script as mentioned above would be helpful. We get a modem warning when installing winmodems with a url for more info (how about auto creating a bookmark for all browsers whenever this warning pops up during initial install or hardrake install attempts. > >thirdly, this is a feature that more experienced > users > >will take advantage of and they are more than > >qualified to rebuild their kernel. Mandrake is > geared > >towards user friendlyness and having your system > crash > >so easily is not user friendly. > > > > A newbie without a feature will just see his box is > much slower than windows, and think 'mdk sucks' Does this affect speed that dramatically? I am not familiar enough with what APIC does. . > > >Because the Fn key is right next to the Ctrl key, > >there has been quite a few times that I am trying > to > >change desktops and end up freezing the system. > > > > ?? Laptops have an added "control" key called function (Fn) and this enables specific hardcoded features in the laptop, such as suspend, entry to the bios at any time, keypad functionality, audio volume control, lcd brightness control, etc. > >Finally, this feature has recently been turned on > in > >the kernel, prior kernels, esp in the 2.4.16 and > prior > >did not have this turned on. It is not an > improvement > >when the stock kernel creates more problems as it > >progresses forward. Let the maintainers of APIC > >resolve some of these issues and make this feature > >more stable across many different types of boxes > >before it becomes part of the default kernel. > > > > Changelog from mandrake kernel: > > * Mon Mar 05 2001 Juan Quintela > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.4.2-7mdk > ... > - Use APIC also now on uniprocessor. > > And you always can boot with noapic on BUGGY boxes. again, I have tried this option and it does not resolve the problem. I wish it did! > > -- > J.A. Magallon # Let the > source be with you... > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Cooker) for i586 > Linux werewolf 2.4.18-pre7-slb #2 SMP Thu Jan 31 > 00:35:23 CET 2002 i686 > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:14:49AM -0800, Ben Reser wrote: > Plug in a external laptop. I meant keyboard. -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:00:07AM -0800, SI Reasoning wrote: > Suspend has always locked mine up also. However with > APIC it also locks up with the ones I mentioned below. > This is particularly troublesome because of how close > the Ctrl and Fn keys are. When doing general desktop > switching, a simple keystroke mistake can hard freeze > the laptop now. If your laptop behaves the way mine does... this is fun: Plug in a external laptop. Type Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Esc. It's the same as Fn+Esc. No way to get rid of it. Of course that's the keyboard combo I use in vmware to drop out of full screen. So I always have to remember to type it on the laptops keyboard. And if I drop the shift then it conflicts with something else. Anyway this isn't really helping so I'll shut up now. :) -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
On 20020131 SI Reasoning wrote: >I disagree, >first, this is a major problem as it completely >freezes the box and it has to be turned off manually. > OK >second, when you release a distribution it needs to be >able to run on as many boxes as possible without major >crashes, if you can turn off an item and it creates >more stable boxes, then you are less likely to lose >people, especially newbies > Then disable DMA for ide drives, it can crash on some ServerWorks boxes. So put all Linux users down to slowliness because the implementation of a feature (read DMA or APIC) is broken in certain hardware (ServerWorks or Inspiron). The DMA problem is easy to solve, it can be disabled selectively depending on chipset. I do not know if it can be done also with apic. But but will happen if not ? Would you release a distro without DMA ? >thirdly, this is a feature that more experienced users >will take advantage of and they are more than >qualified to rebuild their kernel. Mandrake is geared >towards user friendlyness and having your system crash >so easily is not user friendly. > A newbie without a feature will just see his box is much slower than windows, and think 'mdk sucks'. >Because the Fn key is right next to the Ctrl key, >there has been quite a few times that I am trying to >change desktops and end up freezing the system. > ?? >Finally, this feature has recently been turned on in >the kernel, prior kernels, esp in the 2.4.16 and prior >did not have this turned on. It is not an improvement >when the stock kernel creates more problems as it >progresses forward. Let the maintainers of APIC >resolve some of these issues and make this feature >more stable across many different types of boxes >before it becomes part of the default kernel. > Changelog from mandrake kernel: * Mon Mar 05 2001 Juan Quintela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.4.2-7mdk ... - Use APIC also now on uniprocessor. And you always can boot with noapic on BUGGY boxes. -- J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you... mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Cooker) for i586 Linux werewolf 2.4.18-pre7-slb #2 SMP Thu Jan 31 00:35:23 CET 2002 i686
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
Suspend has always locked mine up also. However with APIC it also locks up with the ones I mentioned below. This is particularly troublesome because of how close the Ctrl and Fn keys are. When doing general desktop switching, a simple keystroke mistake can hard freeze the laptop now. --- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:38:30PM -0800, SI > Reasoning wrote: > > On the dell laptop the Fn key is right besides the > > Ctrl key, Fn + F1 = Bios Setup( or freeze with > APIC), > > FN + Esc = Suspend, Fn + F3 = battery display... > all > > of these freeze when hit and it is not that > uncommon > > for a finger to slip to the Fn instead of Ctrl and > > create a hard freeze. > > I have a Dell Inspiron 7500 and Fn + Esc has always > locked up my > laptop under Mandrake. Are you sure it is APIC? > > -- > Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://ben.reser.org > > What difference does it make to the dead, the > orphans, and the homeless, > whether the mad destruction is wrought under the > name of totalitarianism > or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
--- tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SI Reasoning wrote: > > > --- tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Do you have any idea how many people submitted bug > >>reports bexcause APIC > >>was off and their machines would not boot the > >>installer? Almost > >>everyone with multiprocessors and more than 2 IDE > >>channels. > >> > >>Obviously we are trying to see what the effects > are > >>each way, and there > >>might be an alternate install image, but the > problem > >>is that people > >>never look for those. > >> > >> > > > > At least we know where the problems are. If there > are > > no other major issues then it sounds like it > should be > > enabled for the smp kernel. Hoever, more than 2 > ide's > > is not as standard as a laptop and I think it > should > > be disabled in the standard kernel. This looks > like > > something that may be best setup as a module at > some > > point. > > > It _is_ enabled in the SMP kernel but it is also a > UP kernel to install with and it strill fails. > > > > As a matter of fact our failure rate on laptops is > very high, APIC or > not. That is because there are a lot of dodges > employed by laptop > makers and compatibility with standards is restored > by software they > write for windows. If you have ever tried to > install windows on any > laptop without the restore disk or restore CD, you > know well of what I > speak. > > And the particular one you speak of is best served > by an alternate > install kernel and an alternate running kernel > because there is a huge > BIOS bug as well. Try to run kernel 2.4 from anyone > with 512M of RAM > and you will see "bad bridge mapping" errors. The hmmm I have 512 meg ram on my Dell Inspiron 8000, and I checked my logs for this error message and could not find it. > APIC error is also a > BIOS bug--have seen it before on an inspiron that > was trying everything > to run kernel 2.4 with 512M. He ended up running > kernel 2.2 and writing > to Dell. > > Civileme There were some problems before with the 2.4.16 series kernel (pre APIC) that I was able to route around. The suspend is pretty worthless since it hard freezes so I had to disable it in the bios. I suspect it is an XFree issue though since I did not have the freeze problem when I suspended in init 3. It actually suspended properly and came back properly. I have an ATI M4 video chipset. However since APIC it has become a total nightmare and it has become way to easy to freeze it. = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:38:30PM -0800, SI Reasoning wrote: > On the dell laptop the Fn key is right besides the > Ctrl key, Fn + F1 = Bios Setup( or freeze with APIC), > FN + Esc = Suspend, Fn + F3 = battery display... all > of these freeze when hit and it is not that uncommon > for a finger to slip to the Fn instead of Ctrl and > create a hard freeze. I have a Dell Inspiron 7500 and Fn + Esc has always locked up my laptop under Mandrake. Are you sure it is APIC? -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
SI Reasoning wrote: > --- tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Do you have any idea how many people submitted bug >>reports bexcause APIC >>was off and their machines would not boot the >>installer? Almost >>everyone with multiprocessors and more than 2 IDE >>channels. >> >>Obviously we are trying to see what the effects are >>each way, and there >>might be an alternate install image, but the problem >>is that people >>never look for those. >> >> > > At least we know where the problems are. If there are > no other major issues then it sounds like it should be > enabled for the smp kernel. Hoever, more than 2 ide's > is not as standard as a laptop and I think it should > be disabled in the standard kernel. This looks like > something that may be best setup as a module at some > point. > It _is_ enabled in the SMP kernel but it is also a UP kernel to install with and it strill fails. As a matter of fact our failure rate on laptops is very high, APIC or not. That is because there are a lot of dodges employed by laptop makers and compatibility with standards is restored by software they write for windows. If you have ever tried to install windows on any laptop without the restore disk or restore CD, you know well of what I speak. And the particular one you speak of is best served by an alternate install kernel and an alternate running kernel because there is a huge BIOS bug as well. Try to run kernel 2.4 from anyone with 512M of RAM and you will see "bad bridge mapping" errors. The APIC error is also a BIOS bug--have seen it before on an inspiron that was trying everything to run kernel 2.4 with 512M. He ended up running kernel 2.2 and writing to Dell. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
--- tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you have any idea how many people submitted bug > reports bexcause APIC > was off and their machines would not boot the > installer? Almost > everyone with multiprocessors and more than 2 IDE > channels. > > Obviously we are trying to see what the effects are > each way, and there > might be an alternate install image, but the problem > is that people > never look for those. > At least we know where the problems are. If there are no other major issues then it sounds like it should be enabled for the smp kernel. Hoever, more than 2 ide's is not as standard as a laptop and I think it should be disabled in the standard kernel. This looks like something that may be best setup as a module at some point. > > > > > > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
> > Do you have any idea how many people submitted bug > reports bexcause APIC > was off and their machines would not boot the > installer? Almost > everyone with multiprocessors and more than 2 IDE > channels. > > Obviously we are trying to see what the effects are > each way, and there > might be an alternate install image, but the problem > is that people > never look for those. > > Civileme Then APIC should be enabled for the smp kernel, just not for the standard kernel. = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
SI Reasoning wrote: > --- Neuromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Thus spake SI Reasoning about Life, the Universe, >>and Everything: >>| I disagree, >>| first, this is a major problem as it completely >>| freezes the box and it has to be turned off >>manually. >> >>Then turn it off manually. >> > To do that would require re-compiling ther kernel, > something that most newbies should not be forced to > do. I have tried recompiling this kernel (and I have > done this many times before) but even that is broken > at this point. Regardless, this is still broken. I > would be surprised if this was only a Dell issue. I > don't think it is smart to release something that has > such drastic outstanding issues as part of the > standard kernel. I can't imagine that its benefits > outweigh having laptops freeze. Understand that this > has not been an issue in the past since this was not > enabled in the standard kernel. Now that it has been > enabled IT IS AN ISSUE. If this was just cooker it > would not be such a big deal, I expect things to get > tested here, break, get fixed, get broken again. We > are talking about a final release kernel for 8.2 > though, and I think that it should err on the side of > stability. > > >>| second, when you release a distribution it needs >>to be >>| able to run on as many boxes as possible without >>major >>| crashes, if you can turn off an item and it >>creates >>| more stable boxes, then you are less likely to >>lose >>| people, especially newbies >> >>Yell at Dell. Not Mandrake. >> > There is no yelling going on, Dell's reputation is > not at stake here but Mandrake's is. This is something > Mandrake has control over. > > >>| thirdly, this is a feature that more experienced >>users >>| will take advantage of and they are more than >>| qualified to rebuild their kernel. Mandrake is >>geared >>| towards user friendlyness and having your system >>crash >>| so easily is not user friendly. >> >>So far, it appears that there is only one person >>complaining about this. And to >>the wrong folks, it seems. >> > I am not the only person who has brought this up here, > but I am talking to the right people. This is > Mandrake's standard kernel and there is something that > can be done in the short run for the 8.2 release. > After 8.2 is out, it can be re-enabled and we can try > and figure it out if APIC is such a great thing. I > really have no idea what it does besides freeze my > laptop. > > > >>| Because the Fn key is right next to the Ctrl key, >>| there has been quite a few times that I am trying >>to >>| change desktops and end up freezing the system. >> >>Eh? >> > On the dell laptop the Fn key is right besides the > Ctrl key, Fn + F1 = Bios Setup( or freeze with APIC), > FN + Esc = Suspend, Fn + F3 = battery display... all > of these freeze when hit and it is not that uncommon > for a finger to slip to the Fn instead of Ctrl and > create a hard freeze. > > >>| Finally, this feature has recently been turned on >>in >>| the kernel, prior kernels, esp in the 2.4.16 and >>prior >>| did not have this turned on. It is not an >>improvement >>| when the stock kernel creates more problems as it >>| progresses forward. Let the maintainers of APIC >>| resolve some of these issues and make this feature >>| more stable across many different types of boxes >>| before it becomes part of the default kernel. >> >>I'm pretty sure that's what they did. Wasn't it >>labeled as experimental until >>recently? If it's no longer labeled as experimental >>it means they have found >>and squashed all KNOWN bugs. You may have found >>another. Call Dell. >> >>-Russ >>-- >>If the auto industry were like the computer >>industry, a car >>would now cost $5, would get 5000 miles to the >>gallon, and >>at random times would explode, killing all its >>passengers. >> >> > > > = > SI Reasoning > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "There never was a good war or a bad peace." > Benjamin Franklin > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > Do you have any idea how many people submitted bug reports bexcause APIC was off and their machines would not boot the installer? Almost everyone with multiprocessors and more than 2 IDE channels. Obviously we are trying to see what the effects are each way, and there might be an alternate install image, but the problem is that people never look for those. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
--- Neuromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thus spake SI Reasoning about Life, the Universe, > and Everything: > | I disagree, > | first, this is a major problem as it completely > | freezes the box and it has to be turned off > manually. > > Then turn it off manually. You misunderstand, I have to shut down the computer manually. It is totally frozen, beyond even Alt + SysRq = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
--- Neuromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thus spake SI Reasoning about Life, the Universe, > and Everything: > | I disagree, > | first, this is a major problem as it completely > | freezes the box and it has to be turned off > manually. > > Then turn it off manually. To do that would require re-compiling ther kernel, something that most newbies should not be forced to do. I have tried recompiling this kernel (and I have done this many times before) but even that is broken at this point. Regardless, this is still broken. I would be surprised if this was only a Dell issue. I don't think it is smart to release something that has such drastic outstanding issues as part of the standard kernel. I can't imagine that its benefits outweigh having laptops freeze. Understand that this has not been an issue in the past since this was not enabled in the standard kernel. Now that it has been enabled IT IS AN ISSUE. If this was just cooker it would not be such a big deal, I expect things to get tested here, break, get fixed, get broken again. We are talking about a final release kernel for 8.2 though, and I think that it should err on the side of stability. > > | second, when you release a distribution it needs > to be > | able to run on as many boxes as possible without > major > | crashes, if you can turn off an item and it > creates > | more stable boxes, then you are less likely to > lose > | people, especially newbies > > Yell at Dell. Not Mandrake. There is no yelling going on, Dell's reputation is not at stake here but Mandrake's is. This is something Mandrake has control over. > | thirdly, this is a feature that more experienced > users > | will take advantage of and they are more than > | qualified to rebuild their kernel. Mandrake is > geared > | towards user friendlyness and having your system > crash > | so easily is not user friendly. > > So far, it appears that there is only one person > complaining about this. And to > the wrong folks, it seems. I am not the only person who has brought this up here, but I am talking to the right people. This is Mandrake's standard kernel and there is something that can be done in the short run for the 8.2 release. After 8.2 is out, it can be re-enabled and we can try and figure it out if APIC is such a great thing. I really have no idea what it does besides freeze my laptop. > | Because the Fn key is right next to the Ctrl key, > | there has been quite a few times that I am trying > to > | change desktops and end up freezing the system. > > Eh? On the dell laptop the Fn key is right besides the Ctrl key, Fn + F1 = Bios Setup( or freeze with APIC), FN + Esc = Suspend, Fn + F3 = battery display... all of these freeze when hit and it is not that uncommon for a finger to slip to the Fn instead of Ctrl and create a hard freeze. > | Finally, this feature has recently been turned on > in > | the kernel, prior kernels, esp in the 2.4.16 and > prior > | did not have this turned on. It is not an > improvement > | when the stock kernel creates more problems as it > | progresses forward. Let the maintainers of APIC > | resolve some of these issues and make this feature > | more stable across many different types of boxes > | before it becomes part of the default kernel. > > I'm pretty sure that's what they did. Wasn't it > labeled as experimental until > recently? If it's no longer labeled as experimental > it means they have found > and squashed all KNOWN bugs. You may have found > another. Call Dell. > > -Russ > -- > If the auto industry were like the computer > industry, a car > would now cost $5, would get 5000 miles to the > gallon, and > at random times would explode, killing all its > passengers. > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
one more thing... append=noapic will not disable the part that crashes, unfortunately. --- SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree, > first, this is a major problem as it completely > freezes the box and it has to be turned off > manually. > > second, when you release a distribution it needs to > be > able to run on as many boxes as possible without > major > crashes, if you can turn off an item and it creates > more stable boxes, then you are less likely to lose > people, especially newbies > > thirdly, this is a feature that more experienced > users > will take advantage of and they are more than > qualified to rebuild their kernel. Mandrake is > geared > towards user friendlyness and having your system > crash > so easily is not user friendly. > > Because the Fn key is right next to the Ctrl key, > there has been quite a few times that I am trying to > change desktops and end up freezing the system. > > Finally, this feature has recently been turned on in > the kernel, prior kernels, esp in the 2.4.16 and > prior > did not have this turned on. It is not an > improvement > when the stock kernel creates more problems as it > progresses forward. Let the maintainers of APIC > resolve some of these issues and make this feature > more stable across many different types of boxes > before it becomes part of the default kernel. > > --- "J.A. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 20020130 SI Reasoning wrote: > > >APIC is still enabled in 2.4.17-12. > > >--- SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I am still having problems with my Dell > Inspiron > > >> 8000 > > >> that are APIC related. Please disable it in the > > >> production kernel. I am currently running > > >> 2.4.17-11mdk. > > >> > > > > So what ? > > > > APIC is good (TM) and works in many boxes, as it > is > > supposed to do. > > If your mobo-bios is broken, care yourself to > > install with > > append="noapic", or spam Dell to supply a fix. > > But do not try to cut a feature in a distro that > is > > usefull for > > everybody else. > > > > -- > > J.A. Magallon # Let the > > source be with you... > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Cooker) for i586 > > Linux werewolf 2.4.18-pre7-slb #2 SMP Tue Jan 29 > > 01:49:07 CET 2002 i686 > > > > > = > SI Reasoning > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "There never was a good war or a bad peace." > Benjamin Franklin > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
I disagree, first, this is a major problem as it completely freezes the box and it has to be turned off manually. second, when you release a distribution it needs to be able to run on as many boxes as possible without major crashes, if you can turn off an item and it creates more stable boxes, then you are less likely to lose people, especially newbies thirdly, this is a feature that more experienced users will take advantage of and they are more than qualified to rebuild their kernel. Mandrake is geared towards user friendlyness and having your system crash so easily is not user friendly. Because the Fn key is right next to the Ctrl key, there has been quite a few times that I am trying to change desktops and end up freezing the system. Finally, this feature has recently been turned on in the kernel, prior kernels, esp in the 2.4.16 and prior did not have this turned on. It is not an improvement when the stock kernel creates more problems as it progresses forward. Let the maintainers of APIC resolve some of these issues and make this feature more stable across many different types of boxes before it becomes part of the default kernel. --- "J.A. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20020130 SI Reasoning wrote: > >APIC is still enabled in 2.4.17-12. > >--- SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I am still having problems with my Dell Inspiron > >> 8000 > >> that are APIC related. Please disable it in the > >> production kernel. I am currently running > >> 2.4.17-11mdk. > >> > > So what ? > > APIC is good (TM) and works in many boxes, as it is > supposed to do. > If your mobo-bios is broken, care yourself to > install with > append="noapic", or spam Dell to supply a fix. > But do not try to cut a feature in a distro that is > usefull for > everybody else. > > -- > J.A. Magallon # Let the > source be with you... > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Cooker) for i586 > Linux werewolf 2.4.18-pre7-slb #2 SMP Tue Jan 29 > 01:49:07 CET 2002 i686 > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
On 20020130 SI Reasoning wrote: >APIC is still enabled in 2.4.17-12. >--- SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am still having problems with my Dell Inspiron >> 8000 >> that are APIC related. Please disable it in the >> production kernel. I am currently running >> 2.4.17-11mdk. >> So what ? APIC is good (TM) and works in many boxes, as it is supposed to do. If your mobo-bios is broken, care yourself to install with append="noapic", or spam Dell to supply a fix. But do not try to cut a feature in a distro that is usefull for everybody else. -- J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you... mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Cooker) for i586 Linux werewolf 2.4.18-pre7-slb #2 SMP Tue Jan 29 01:49:07 CET 2002 i686
Re: [Cooker] please disable APIC in kernel
APIC is still enabled in 2.4.17-12. --- SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am still having problems with my Dell Inspiron > 8000 > that are APIC related. Please disable it in the > production kernel. I am currently running > 2.4.17-11mdk. > > = > SI Reasoning > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "There never was a good war or a bad peace." > Benjamin Franklin > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com
