Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR ADISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on thesecond CD
Ok, I can understand the download to avoid royalty fees, but that is a very large download for one program. It's a bloated peice of software... what do you expect?? (still not as bad as MSFT Office 2000) Last time i downloaded SO 5.2B it was around 70M...and of course it was not on a mirror so even on a cable modem it took forever. See, i've got a cable modem for 2 years now, and here in the netherlands it's slowly turning into a comodity. More and more people are having the choice of getting on the net this way. For these people (and others at companies or places where they have high-speed links) this way of software distribution is becoming a viable option. When you're still (suffering) with a telco modem, then it's probably better to buy the boxed kit. If I go out and spend 50-100$ for an distribution, I expect it to have all the latest stable versions, and not have to download programs like SO. The powerpack edition should have most of this software... or not? (the last one I got was Mandrake's 6.1 powerpack). If mandrake decides to make something as I described in my previous mail, this could turn out to kill revenue from the powerpack distro. Stefan Bryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stefan van der Eijk Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on the second CD How about including Star office 5.X on it? That is a free program, but not sure if Sun would agree to it. This is not really free [for example, we pay royalties for each printed CD]. Fair, that's the way it is... For the moment our politics are to limit as much as possible the amount of non open-source stuff on main installation CD [which is, now, CD Installation and CD Extension] OK, what however could be provided is some kind of "rpm-wrapper" for these "closed software" programs. Maybe some kind of mechanism can be made which performs the following tasks: - An icon show up in a "to be installed closed software menu" - When you click the icon, the software will be downloaded from the software makers site ($un Micro$y$tem$ in this case) and an RPM will be made installed. - Key is that the rpm which is made is "taylored" for mandrake. Which means that the menu items are in place, the files are placed in a work-able place on the disk (according to the FS standards that mandrake lives to), etc. etc. etc. Goal of this mechanism will be: - Not needing to distribute this software with the CD's (royalties) - User performs "task" (one mouse-click) to download install the software. - User is provided with the "comfort" of a Mandrake packaged RPM. - Updates of new "closed software" packages (acroread, staroffice, WP??) can be provided with this mechanism. I know it goes far... Stefan van der Eijk
Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR ADISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on thesecond CD
On Sat, May 27, 2000 at 12:54:30AM +0200, Gael Duval wrote: Daniel Hammer a écrit : BS''D Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: For the moment our politics are to limit as much as possible the amount of non open-source stuff on main installation CD [which is, now, CD Installation and CD Extension] ... which is a very good decision ...and as soon as we have good replacements for proprietary, we can have a 100% true-open source system! I've promised it to RMS and you know him: he won't forget such a thing ;) By the way, what is all your opinion about xv? do you use it often? what do you use for fast-viewing pictures? (I don't mean processing it with Gimp for example) There are many replacements for xv around there (ee, qiv, gview, display, etc.). And AFAIK, xv is still a shareware. We really should think about taking it off our distribution (at least from the GPL CDs). DindinX -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] HF Team
Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR ADISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on thesecond CD
Daniel Hammer a écrit : BS''D Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: For the moment our politics are to limit as much as possible the amount of non open-source stuff on main installation CD [which is, now, CD Installation and CD Extension] ... which is a very good decision ...and as soon as we have good replacements for proprietary, we can have a 100% true-open source system! I've promised it to RMS and you know him: he won't forget such a thing ;) By the way, what is all your opinion about xv? do you use it often? what do you use for fast-viewing pictures? (I don't mean processing it with Gimp for example) Gael. -- Gael DUVAL http://www.mandrake.com
Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR ADISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on thesecond CD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: By the way, what is all your opinion about xv? do you use it often? what do you use for fast-viewing pictures? (I don't mean processing it with Gimp for example) I use ee for fast viewing pictures I use gqview to see thumbnail catalog style I have not used xv since redhat 4.2 or thereabouts. -- +++ Allen Bolderoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] LNC - Linux, help and commentary http://linux.netnerve.com CTPC - Caffeine - get it here: http://www.coffee-tea-pots-cups.com/ +++ GPG fingerprint = CBB0 8626 702C 3D01 B5AD A54A DC2C 93B7 3E4B 6472 +++
Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR ADISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on thesecond CD
On Sat, May 27, 2000 at 12:54:30AM +0200, Gael Duval wrote: Daniel Hammer a écrit : By the way, what is all your opinion about xv? do you use it often? what do you use for fast-viewing pictures? (I don't mean processing it with Gimp for example) I use feh with imlib2 Gael. -- Gael DUVAL http://www.mandrake.com -- Thomas Poindessous EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.epita.fr/~epx
Re: crypto stuff on 2nd cd ; was: [Cooker] GET READY FOR ADISCUSSION- Include the contents ofthe mandrakeusr.org sit on thesecond CD
On Sat, May 27, 2000 at 09:03:16AM +0930, Allen Bolderoff wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: By the way, what is all your opinion about xv? do you use it often? what do you use for fast-viewing pictures? (I don't mean processing it with Gimp for example) I use ee for fast viewing pictures I use gqview to see thumbnail catalog style I have not used xv since redhat 4.2 or thereabouts. there's another nice one for quick viewing pics: called "feh", using imlib2. cli interface. very fast. feh should be listed on freshmeat. imlib2 is available via cvs, enlightenment.org :wq -cteg -- damn i'm looking good
