Re: [COOT] Uniformly awful goodness?

2010-01-29 Thread Ed Pozharski
Here is what coot manual says about this, 


> The density fit graph shows the density fit for residues. The score is
> the average electron density level at the atom centres of the atoms in
> the residue. The height of the blocks is inversely proportional to the
> density average. 
> 
> The residue density fit is by default scaled to a map that is
> calculated on the absolute scale. Sometimes you might be using a map
> with density levels considerably different to this, which makes the
> residue density fit graph less useful. To correct for this you can use
> the scripting function: 
> 
> (set-residue-density-fit-scale-factor factor) 
> 
> where factor would be 1/(4\sigma_map) (as a rule of thumb). 
> 
> (residue-density-fit-scale-factor) returns the current scale factor
> (default 1.0).
> 
> 

On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 10:09 -0800, Ethan Merritt wrote:
> I am wondering how the "goodness" scale for density fit analysis is 
> determined.
> I have a case here where to the eye there is a very good fit of model to 
> density
> throughout 99% of the unit cell, yet the validation tool marks most residues 
> with a big red bar.
> 
> Is there some hidden property [e.g. map gradient?] that triggers a bad
> validation score even though the fit to density looks fine by visual 
> inspection
> at a single contour level?
> 
> Is the good-to-bad scale normalized to the individual structure, so that
> a 'good everywhere' structure looks 'uniformly bad' in the validation tool?
>   
> Would the presence of large difference peaks outside the area of the current
> model make any difference?
> 


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[COOT] Uniformly awful goodness?

2010-01-29 Thread Ethan Merritt
I am wondering how the "goodness" scale for density fit analysis is determined.
I have a case here where to the eye there is a very good fit of model to density
throughout 99% of the unit cell, yet the validation tool marks most residues 
with a big red bar.

Is there some hidden property [e.g. map gradient?] that triggers a bad
validation score even though the fit to density looks fine by visual inspection
at a single contour level?

Is the good-to-bad scale normalized to the individual structure, so that
a 'good everywhere' structure looks 'uniformly bad' in the validation tool?
  
Would the presence of large difference peaks outside the area of the current
model make any difference?

-- 
Ethan A Merritt
Biomolecular Structure Center
University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742